Is ADHD just a label thats put on children.

Mutant z

It seems ADHD is just a lazy label thats put on children with little basis in reality most of which is just normal childhood behaviour the fact is there's always been differences in children some are loud some are quiet some are sociable others less so yet now they must be labeled with a condition which gives parents the excuse to shriek responsibility towards their children. Children are different to each other why must they be labeled because of it why cant we just accept those differences instead of putting labels like ADHD on them.

BattleCorp

Mutant z wrote: »

It seems ADHD is just a lazy label thats put on children with little basis in reality most of which is just normal childhood behaviour the fact is there's always been differences in children some are loud some are quiet some are sociable others less so yet now they must be labeled with a condition which gives parents the excuse to shriek responsibility towards their children. Children are different to each other why must they be labeled because of it why cant we just accept those differences instead of putting labels like ADHD on them.

There are probably a few mad fcukers who have ADHD but most kids that are diagnosed with it are just bold kids.

Mutant z

BattleCorp wrote: »

There are probably a few mad fcukers who have ADHD but most kids that are diagnosed with it are just bold kids.

Exactly its just a lazy diagnosis and used as an excuse for parents to not take responsibility for their own children.

Brian?

Mutant z wrote: »

Exactly its just a lazy diagnosis and used as an excuse for parents to not take responsibility for their own children.

How do you know?

What studies have you performed or read? Are you a doctor?

Brian?

Mutant z wrote: »

Exactly its just a lazy diagnosis and used as an excuse for parents to not take responsibility for their own children.

Isn’t this just a lazy generalisation and an excuse for to blame parents?

Sonics2k

Brian? wrote: »

How do you know?

What studies have you performed or read? Are you a doctor?

He saw a video on Youtube.

freshpopcorn

I've spoken to teachers about this and they generally say that getting a diagnosis of anything takes a good while and aren't handed out as lightly as people make it out to be.
But if a diagnoses is made and they can extra resources to help the child it generally does help.
I've seen kids being written off by teachers as bold children but when somebody came along and helped them they generally settled down. They might be the odd wobble.

corner of hells

Brian? wrote: »

How do you know?

What studies have you performed or read? Are you a doctor?

Brian? , you know we're not allowed be doctors or give legal advice , however I will give vetinary advice sprinkled with some anecdotal crap if needed.

Mutant z

Brian? wrote: »

How do you know?

What studies have you performed or read? Are you a doctor?

I dont doubt some kids have issues but in many cases its just badly behaved kids who suddenly have a label put on them to excuse their behaviour.

iamwhoiam

There is a huge difference between a child that has been assessed and diagnosed by experts and one who is simply said to have ADHD by a parent

Malari

It's not just a label. It's also a really great song by Kendrick Lamar.

SEPT 23 1989

You need to slap a label on them to get help

It's very wrong

buried

Eight doobies to the face, F**k that

Ubbquittious

All these new found conditions are just a way for social workers to feather their own nests and an easy way for schools to get more resources from the government

4068ac1elhodqr

Too much sugar and E numbers, whatever you do don't give them Lucozade or RedBull unless they've actually got proper dengue fever.

nice_guy80

Ubbquittious wrote: »

All these new found conditions are just a way for social workers to feather their own nests and an easy way for schools to get more resources from the government

its usually the parents who push for a diagnosis

it absolves them of any blame.
they can go on not parenting or putting manners on their child

Brian?

Mutant z wrote: »

I dont doubt some kids have issues but in many cases its just badly behaved kids who suddenly have a label put on them to excuse their behaviour.

This opinion is based on what evidence?

For a start: what % of kids are diagnosed with ADHD?

I met a bold kid once and im an expert in all medical conditions now and kids were never ever as terrible in all of history as now and they all need a smack

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mutant z wrote: »

I dont doubt some kids have issues but in many cases its just badly behaved kids who suddenly have a label put on them to excuse their behaviour.

I'd ask for some proof, but it doesn't exist.

Ubbquittious wrote: »

All these new found conditions are just a way for social workers to feather their own nests and an easy way for schools to get more resources from the government

Yup, that's it, there's absolutely no other reason for it.

It's threads, and idiotic theories, like this that create stigma surrounding conditions like this. Mental health is serious and it doesn't need adolescent pseudo intellects to ridicule it.

corner of hells

Ubbquittious wrote: »

All these new found conditions are just a way for social workers to feather their own nests and an easy way for schools to get more resources from the government

My son has been in resource classes since 5 years of age , he's now 16 and benefits greatly along with being expected to do very well despite having " double digit" dyslexia , well worth a Google in itself along with a diagnosis of Predominantly Inattentive Presentation

No social worker is involved or was ever involved nor medication.In fact there would unlikely ever be a social worker involved in a diagnosis.

I'll always be grateful to his various teachers and resource teams for going that extra mile with him.

Gatling

Everything from too much TV - too much sugar has been attached .


Diagnosing ADHD in children depends on a set of strict criteria. To be diagnosed with ADHD, your child must have six or more symptoms of inattentiveness, or six or more symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsiveness. See ADHD - Symptoms for examples of such symptoms.

The type of ADHD your child will be diagnosed with will depend on the number of symptoms they have from each group. For example, if they have eight symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsiveness and only three symptoms of inattentiveness, they will be diagnosed with ADHD mainly hyperactive-impulsive.

To be diagnosed with ADHD, your child must also have:

been displaying symptoms continuously for at least six months
started to show symptoms before the age of seven - although in some cases a diagnosis can still be made if symptoms do not start until after this age
been showing symptoms in at least two different settings - for example, at home and at school, to rule out the possibility that the behaviour is just a reaction to certain teachers or to parental control
symptoms that make their lives considerably more difficult, on a social, academic or occupational level
symptoms that are not just part of a developmental disorder or difficult phase, and are not better accounted for by another condition

Mutant z

Brian? wrote: »

This opinion is based on what evidence?

For a start: what % of kids are diagnosed with ADHD?

Like i said kids can be a handful but you seriously cant believe everyone of them thats been diagnosed with ADHD actually have the conditions if they are hyperactive its often from a high sugary diet they are being fed like bottles of coca cola for instance that could set anyone off and simply a lack of discipline at home why what was once considered childhood misbehaviour suddenly been rediagnosed as ADHD.

corner of hells

nice_guy80 wrote: »

its usually the parents who push for a diagnosis

it absolves them of any blame.
they can go on not parenting or putting manners on their child

Load of bollox.

Your Face

ADHD would be a good name for an AcDc tribute band.

buried

I dunno lads, A lot of modern day mammys & daddys just want to have the kids to show how great they can breed and make little babies to show the rest of the tribe/community/family.

But then the babies grow up, start talking back, generating actual work and the added actual responsibility.

Then - "ME CHILD HAS GOT THE ADHD!!!"

Gatling

Do families with ADHD children qualify for DCA payments

SEPT 23 1989

Just remember without these "abnormal" kids we would have no internet no art no engineering no science

A very grey world without them

Gatling

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Just remember without these "abnormal" kids we would have no internet no art no engineering no science

A very grey world without them

How did you come to that conclusion

Your Face

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Just remember without these "abnormal" kids we would have no internet no art no engineering no science

A very grey world without them

I can't agree with that.

lukesmom

No it is definitely not just a label

iamwhoiam

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Just remember without these "abnormal" kids we would have no internet no art no engineering no science

A very grey world without them

Name one

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mutant z wrote: »

Like i said kids can be a handful but you seriously cant believe everyone of them thats been diagnosed with ADHD actually have the conditions if they are hyperactive its often from a high sugary diet they are being fed like bottles of coca cola for instance that could set anyone off and simply a lack of discipline at home why what was once considered childhood misbehaviour suddenly been rediagnosed as ADHD.

Misdiagnosis happens, not only with ADHD. However you're still talking codswallop.

corner of hells

Gatling wrote: »

Do families with ADHD children qualify for DCA payments

You can claim if it's a severe disability.

I've cousins who's sons are diagnosed and one claims DCA.

SEPT 23 1989

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Name one

Einstein

Poor kid couldn't even tie his own shoelaces

Lord Glentoran

Mutant z wrote: »

It seems ADHD is just a lazy label thats put on children with little basis in reality most of which is just normal childhood behaviour the fact is there's always been differences in children some are loud some are quiet some are sociable others less so yet now they must be labeled with a condition which gives parents the excuse to shriek responsibility towards their children. Children are different to each other why must they be labeled because of it why cant we just accept those differences instead of putting labels like ADHD on them.

How about a trade off? Abandon ADHD as a label and then make bullying a criminal offence.

iamwhoiam

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Einstein

Poor kid couldn't even tie his own shoelaces

Yes . And did he have ADHD ? Your point being ?

corner of hells

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yes . And did he have ADHD ? Your point being ?

He's supposed to have had it.

Brian?

Mutant z wrote: »

Like i said kids can be a handful but you seriously cant believe everyone of them thats been diagnosed with ADHD actually have the conditions if they are hyperactive its often from a high sugary diet they are being fed like bottles of coca cola for instance that could set anyone off and simply a lack of discipline at home why what was once considered childhood misbehaviour suddenly been rediagnosed as ADHD.

I want you to provide some evidence that kids being diagnosed with ADHD are simply bold kids. You’ve made a claim, now back it up.

iamwhoiam

corner of hells wrote: »

He's supposed to have had it.

He showed signs of autism which is a different matter .

Brian?

corner of hells wrote: »

He's supposed to have had it.

No. That’s ASD. He was somewhere on the Autistic spectrum.

pitifulgod

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Name one

A fair few olympians and sporting figures were diagnosed with ADHD. Michael Phelps being the first that comes to mind. In music, you've got Will.i.am. Thomas Edison is suspected of having it as well. Like autism, it can be a massive challenge but depending on the person, it can be highly beneficial in terms of achievement.

Mutant z

Brian? wrote: »

Mutant z wrote: »

Like i said kids can be a handful but you seriously cant believe everyone of them thats been diagnosed with ADHD actually have the conditions if they are hyperactive its often from a high sugary diet they are being fed like bottles of coca cola for instance that could set anyone off and simply a lack of discipline at home why what was once considered childhood misbehaviour suddenly been rediagnosed as ADHD.

I want you to provide some evidence that kids being diagnosed with ADHD are simply bold kids. You’ve made a claim, now back it up.

Some parents are known to use it in order to fraudulently claim DCA and CA from the state.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Name one

Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Winston Churchill.

corner of hells

Brian? wrote: »

No. That’s ASD. He was somewhere on the Autistic spectrum.

"ADHD impacted his childhood. It has been believed over the years that the famous scientist Albert Einstein dealt with ADHD throughout his life. ... Whether or not this had something to do with his ADHD is unknown to this day."

Who knows.

iamwhoiam

pitifulgod wrote: »

A fair few olympians and sporting figures were diagnosed with ADHD. Michael Phelps being the first that comes to mind. In music, you've got Will.i.am. Thomas Edison is suspected of having it as well. Like autism, it can be a massive challenge but depending on the person, it can be highly beneficial in terms of achievement.

Big difference between achievement in sport or music and excelling in science or medicine etc . ADHD does not necessarily mean mastery in academia where autism may well do

pitifulgod

Mutant z wrote: »

Some parents are known to use it in order to fraudulently claim DCA and CA from the state.

That's a pretty serious allegation as it requires psychologists to have been engaging in fraud as well. More often than not though, it's people who very little knowledge on a topic who make the above conclusion.

iamwhoiam

Nasir Mushy Loganberry wrote: »

Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Salvador Dali, Winston Churchill.

And also likely to be on the autistic spectrum which again is a different matter . ADHD in isolation is unlikely to give them an advantage .

corner of hells

Mutant z wrote: »

Some parents are known to use it in order to fraudulently claim DCA and CA from the state.

You are joking ?
You realise the GP is heavily involved along with consultants reports that say the child has a severe disability in order to claim DCA.

pitifulgod

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Big difference between achievement in sport or music and excelling in science or medicine etc . ADHD does not necessarily mean mastery in academia where autism may well do

https://www.dallasnews.com/arts/books/2017/11/01/astronaut-scott-kelly-endurance-memoir-dallas-interview
Scott Kelly good enough? Oh and that Thomas Edison guy if you've heard of him. James Carville while not an inventor led political campaigns for Clinton and Blair...

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And also likely to be on the autistic spectrum which again is a different matter . ADHD in isolation is unlikely to give them an advantage .

Not necessarily, massive reserves of energy can be incredibly useful if you have somewhere to direct it towards. Plus for an artist or scientist for that matter, it results in a very different perspective on world.

iamwhoiam

pitifulgod wrote: »

https://www.dallasnews.com/arts/books/2017/11/01/astronaut-scott-kelly-endurance-memoir-dallas-interview
Scott Kelly good enough? Oh and that Thomas Edison guy if you've heard of him. James Carville while not an inventor led political campaigns for Clinton and Blair...



Not necessarily, massive reserves of energy can be incredibly useful if you have somewhere to direct it towards. Plus for an artist or scientist for that matter, it results in a very different perspective on world.

Thomas Edison is also thought to have been on the autistic spectrum . I am not denying the positive affect of energy reserves by the way .

Boom_Bap

I think it's too broad of a question that you are asking, because I would say that there are people in different catagories.

- Genuine diagnosed cases
- Undiagnosed cases but the parents have diagnosed off the internet
- People who just say there kid has as some sort of trophy
- People who have buried their heads in the sand
- etc

Diagnosed cases are not just a label. If people have gone through the process of evaluation and they have a diagnosis, then it's not just a label. As noted earlier, there are a set of guidelines, 6 of which have to be met to be considered for being diagnosed. It takes alot to get there, a heck of a lot of time if you are going the public route in Ireland.

In the USA things are a little different. Because there is a huge push from the drug companies to push their drugs, kids are an easy target if they are acting up, doctors could prescribe ADHD medication for a suspected case, so kids would be on the drugs before being diagnosed properly.

There are some kids that have been diagnosed and you would have no clue that they have ADHD because of their coping mechanisms.

So it's not a simple black and white answer....and people using it for dole fraud, it takes a huge investment of time and effort to get anywhere near that.