Calcutta Cup 2018

pickarooney

It was high risk rugby from Scotland at times. They could easily have shipped 20 points if some of those skip passes hadn't landed.

Larbre34

Akrasia wrote: »

Classy Scottish fans as usual

Come off it, its pantomine stuff, just like Jones himself, the fans are on a high.

Subpopulus

INTERVIEWER:What went wrong today Eddie?
EDDIE JONES: *noncomittal response*
INTERVIEWER: And what do you take away from today's defeat?
EDDIE JONES: *nasal Australian droning*

laugh

Larbre34 wrote: »

Come off it, its pantomine stuff, just like Jones himself, the fans are on a high.

And he couldn't give less of a shit.

rebel girl 15

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The celebrations from the Scots are something else at Murrayfield. Just a bit more time now.

Very very tempted to put some Scottish flags in our staff room Monday morning :D (I work in London)

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Prediction: Eddie Jones puts out a 2nd string against Ireland in Twickenham to devalue the slam.

Only partially jokin

They'll go out to deny Ireland the Grand Slam like Ireland did to them!

Subpopulus

SCOTLAND MAY HAVE WON THE CALCUTTA CUP BUT THEY'LL NEVER CLAIM THE CENTENARY QUAICH

rebel girl 15

Loved the reaction of the ball boys at the end, jumping up and down!

PTH2009

great result for us

Win vs Scotland and an England loss even with a LBP makes us champions

corny

Normally i cringe hearing Sonia McLaughlans voice but it was almost orgasmic listening to her stick the knife into Jones.

Didactic Ninja

almostover wrote: »

Why? Because dangerous tackles which can cause serious injuries are outlawed?

i genuinely see no inherent unsafeness in that compared to the way people are entering rucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPeVHzFcJKw

listen to the commentary during this hit. "rugby men" loved this stuff and we have talked ourselves into hysterics.Davies loved the tackle. he'd whinge about it now.

eventually group think and consensus takes over.

Didactic Ninja

corny wrote: »

Normally i cringe hearing Sonia McLaughlans voice but it was almost orgasmic listening to her stick the knife into Jones.

scotland will inevitably let her down. what goes around comes around.

Hurrache

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

talked ourselves into hysterics.

Only yourself is in hysterics.

enda1

Can England actually defend a ruck?? Embarrassing play by England there and amazing Jones didn't adapt his plan and bring more men in to clear out and ensure quick-ball. Wonderful gameplan execution from Scotland to be fair. Brown is too old and too slow. Never commits his opposite number to the tackle thus losing the precious extra man they had built at times.

What a great Six Nations so far!

Subpopulus

corny wrote: »

Normally i cringe hearing Sonia McLaughlans voice but it was almost orgasmic listening to her stick the knife into Jones.

Say, you're not Graham Dwyer are you?

Didactic Ninja

Try_harder wrote: »

He is very dislikeable tbf

he was revered by all when he was masterminding japans victory over south africa. short memories.

Hurrache

enda1 wrote: »

Can England actually defend a rook??

If they have their bishops, with only pawns on the board, no.

enda1

Hurrache wrote: »

If they have their bishops, with only pawns on the board, no.

Ruck! I blame the wine

Didactic Ninja

Hurrache wrote: »

Only yourself is in hysterics.

i have no problem with the hit? i don't follow. for clarity i think we have talked ourselves into being too soft. we penalise too much. dominant physical hits are being removed.

elefant

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i have no problem with the hit? i don't follow. for clarity i think we have talked ourselves into being too soft. we penalise too much. dominant physical hits are being removed.

Cheers for the clarification. I wasn't sure how you felt.

laugh

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i have no problem with the hit? i don't follow. for clarity i think we have talked ourselves into being too soft. we penalise too much. dominant physical hits are being removed.

If we want to continue enjoying contact sports we have a duty to protect the life and well being of the players.

We know much more about brain injury for example than we did in "the good oul days".

Didactic Ninja

elefant wrote: »

Cheers for the clarification. I wasn't sure how you felt.

it wasn't you who queried it.

rebel girl 15

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i have no problem with the hit? i don't follow. for clarity i think we have talked ourselves into being too soft. we penalise too much. dominant physical hits are being removed.

It wasn't a physical hit, I've no problem with physicality - but the guy came in with a no arms tackle. You can't shoulder charge into a tackle - you need to use your arms and he didn't. Rugby tackle is defined as using the arms!

thomond2006

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i have no problem with the hit? i don't follow. for clarity i think we have talked ourselves into being too soft. we penalise too much. dominant physical hits are being removed.

It's not a 'dominant' hit if it's a penalty offense, which it was. It's worth noting that there wasn't an iota of complaint from Underhill when he was carded. He knew it was coming.

Didactic Ninja

laugh wrote: »

If we want to continue enjoying contact sports we have a duty to protect the life and well being of the players.

this ties in to my point. i think a lot of this is window dressing. scrums in my opinion, are the most dangerous facet of the game particularly at amateur level.
and there are some well documented neck breaks from collapsed scrums. after that i have a problem with crocodile rolls and missile like entry to rucks.

alex mckinnon is the only spear tackle related catastrophe i can think of albeit in rugby league.

swiwi_

sydthebeat wrote: »

England are only - 7 lads. If your so confident of such a high win there's great value there for you.

Personally I think Scotland can sneak this.

Respect. Although you lose points for « sneak »

rebel girl 15

Hartley saying they lack intensity, poor at the ruck - at half time they wanted to get back into the game, small things in the second half where they left Scotland off the hook but gave credit to Scotland for their first half especially.

rebel girl 15

Tunnel bust up footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xf297GksIw

Didactic Ninja

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's not a 'dominant' hit if it's a penalty offense, which it was. It's worth noting that there wasn't an iota of complaint from Underhill when he was carded. He knew it was coming.

I remember Rob Kearney shouldering Rocky Elsom out of the dead ball area as he scored in the aviva and andrew trimble clattering doug howlett with his shoulder during the act of scoring too in 2006.
no whinges from anyone.just good natured physicality.

i find people are being led by the media and groupthink into what to think is dangerous as opposed to making up their own minds.

We have stef evans contesting a kick with earls in the opening minutes of todays game and a poster is saying he was "taken out".

powder puff stuff

rebel girl 15

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

I remember Rob Kearney shouldering Rocky Elsom out of the dead ball area as he scored in the aviva and andrew trimble clattering doug howlett with his shoulder during the act of scoring too in 2006.
no whinges from anyone.just good natured physicality.

i find people are being led by the media and groupthink into what to think is dangerous as opposed to making up their own minds.

We have stef evans contesting a kick with earls in the opening minutes of todays game and a poster is saying he was "taken out".

powder puff stuff

That post doesn't address what happened today - rugby and safety in rugby has moved on a huge amount since 2006!

The hit that resulted in the yellow card was not a tackle, it was a shoulder charge which is not allowed as a tackle!

thomond2006

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

I remember Rob Kearney shouldering Rocky Elsom out of the dead ball area as he scored in the aviva and andrew trimble clattering doug howlett with his shoulder during the act of scoring too in 2006.
no whinges from anyone.just good natured physicality.

i find people are being led by the media and groupthink into what to think is dangerous as opposed to making up their own minds.

We have stef evans contesting a kick with earls in the opening minutes of todays game and a poster is saying he was "taken out".

powder puff stuff

Google NFL and CTE and get back to me on this.

Rugby is much safer since the incidents you reference. The quality of the game hasn't suffered because of it.

Didactic Ninja

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

It wasn't a physical hit, I've no problem with physicality - but the guy came in with a no arms tackle. You can't shoulder charge into a tackle - you need to use your arms and he didn't. Rugby tackle is defined as using the arms!

people seem selective about it though.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXbCKnn02o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhS1kgZMyzo

Didactic Ninja

thomond2006 wrote: »

Google NFL and CTE and get back to me on this.

Rugby is much safer since the incidents you reference. The quality of the game hasn't suffered because of it.

i think rugby was much more enjoyable circa 01-06

Didactic Ninja

thomond2006 wrote: »

Google NFL and CTE and get back to me on this.

Rugby is much safer since the incidents you reference. The quality of the game hasn't suffered because of it.

watch the NFL every week.

Try_harder

Teresa May, Lizzie Winsor, Boris Johnson, Harry Wales- your boys took one hell of a beating

rebel girl 15

2009 and 2013 - enough said!

Didactic Ninja

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

That post doesn't address what happened today - rugby and safety in rugby has moved on a huge amount since 2006!

The hit that resulted in the yellow card was not a tackle, it was a shoulder charge which is not allowed as a tackle!

but i see it at every second ruck. its faux safety.

almostover

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

I remember Rob Kearney shouldering Rocky Elsom out of the dead ball area as he scored in the aviva and andrew trimble clattering doug howlett with his shoulder during the act of scoring too in 2006.
no whinges from anyone.just good natured physicality.

i find people are being led by the media and groupthink into what to think is dangerous as opposed to making up their own minds.

We have stef evans contesting a kick with earls in the opening minutes of todays game and a poster is saying he was "taken out".

powder puff stuff

Sounds a lot like what rugby's attitude to concussion was like ten years ago. Maybe have a read up about John Fogarty. Your caveman attitude does the game no good.

thomond2006

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

watch the NFL every week.

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

Burkie1203

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

2009 and 2013 - enough said!

What was 2009 and 2013?

Whatever about safety, the laws of rugby very clearly describe what constitutes a tackle and that was not a tackle. It was an offence all day long and the card was fair.

irishbucsfan

thomond2006 wrote: »

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

Why are we entertaining this discussion?!

Mushy

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i think rugby was much more enjoyable circa 01-06

Stop watching then and stop embarrassing yourself with these posts. It was a terrible "tackle" that is banned now. Between this and saying Ireland had the ref in the match thread, a lot seems to be going against the grain for the sake of it

almostover

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

people seem selective about it though.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXbCKnn02o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhS1kgZMyzo

The laws of the games have moved on to preserve player safety. The game is more physical than it has ever been but outright dangerous tackles have rightly been banned

rebel girl 15

Burkie1203 wrote: »

What was 2009 and 2013?

Both videos the poster quoted to back up their point that no arms shoulder charge tackles are part of the game :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Peregrine

thomond2006 wrote: »

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

You're not going to win them over. Just don't quote them.

Burkie1203

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Both videos the poster quoted to back up their point that no arms shoulder charge tackles are part of the game :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ah right the videos arwnt showing up on my phone

rebel girl 15

Love that the BBC lead with the Irish 6 Nations result and not the English one!!

thomond2006

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Why are we entertaining this discussion?!

My bad.

almostover

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

watch the NFL every week.

Great, crawl back under your bridge and please stick to watching NFL. A game with a huge issue with head injuries and concussion. The rest of us will continue to enjoy our rugby thanks

Didactic Ninja

thomond2006 wrote: »

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

because i see no difference between what underhill did and how people are entering rucks quite often.

and if heads and necks were so sacrosanct then be done with it and ban scrums.

he milled him in the chest with his shoulder. on with the game ta ****