Spread Urea or Not

Gawddawggonnit

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

P use is efficient because lots of people don't spread it.
Would love to see where they're getting nitrogen use efficiency of over 30% from. It doesn't stack up. Low 20's would be much more realistic.
Irish milk has the lowest carbon footprint in Europe because a lower % of our emissions are considered due to grassland soil carbon loss being ignored.

Why let science get in the way of an agenda...

Isn’t this the same guy that reckons that beef cattle and sheep should make way for forestry? (Agenda?? )

Dairy farms are “islands of intensification in a sea of extensive farming”...

poorstandards

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Why let science get in the way of an agenda...

Isn’t this the same guy that reckons that beef cattle and sheep should make way for forestry? (Agenda?? )

Dairy farms are “islands of intensification in a sea of extensive farming”...

Ah but dairy farmers in Ireland are green

alps

Anyone got a bit of spare time on their hands, and maybe look through this report and tell the rest of us what will happen tonfertiliser prices this year

https://www.icis.com/contact/fertilizer-outlook-what-to-expect-from-the-fertilizer-markets-in-2018/?cmpid=SOC|FERT|CHGMF-2018-02-GLOBAL-fertilizersoutlook2018&sfid=7012X000001mOqB&cid=sf182031125#

Westernrock

Say my name wrote: »

Now I have a bit of time!!

Dolerite is a basalt rock formed by a volcanic intrusion that doesn't quite reach the surface. You'll have the formation of schist rock above the intrusion from the heat of the lava. The dolerite that I used was a mafic rock that is the major elements were magnesium, iron and calcite. But it would have every known element on earth in varying proportions and you'd see quartz in it too but as I say every known element.
Basalt and granite are rocks high in paramagnetism.
Btw dolerite is the stone used as road chippings. Have a look at the grass on the roadside and see if it grows well.

Bacteria/microbe source could be dung, slurry or rock dust that had time to work.

Electrical conductivity is the term that is used to measure the ability of ions to move in a soil. It is influenced by organic matter, nutrients, salinity and temperature.

The seawater well I didn't go far I live in a coastal county. So car, trailer and 200 litre barrel and bucket. It might not be legal so I didn't do that. Then diluted with well water.
The seawater is not as far fetched as you think. Farmers in cork and Cornwall used sand from below the high tide mark on their fields centuries ago. Plus Dr Maynard Murray used it in the U.S. many moons ago.
But I'm not advocating using it but I used on a once off and diluted and we are in a high rainfall country.
By looking at another field it goes well with slurry. But obviously there's sodium available with fertilizer on the market or seaweed products or that physolith stuff.

How are you spreading your urea diluted in sea water?

Thanks

Say my name

Westernrock wrote: »

How are you spreading your urea diluted in sea water?

Thanks

Vicon spreader.

I'm going to sound like I know what I'm talking about now but I think if you did that you'd kill off any life that was in the water in the first place. The more life you can get in soil whether applied or home grown should be the ultimate aim and eventually you will get the benefit of that life by what is termed "mineralization of nitrogen". All that means is the soil life reaches a crescendo of activity in end
of July/August/September and the nitrogen becomes available to the plants.

yosemitesam1

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Why let science get in the way of an agenda...

Isn’t this the same guy that reckons that beef cattle and sheep should make way for forestry? (Agenda?? )

Dairy farms are “islands of intensification in a sea of extensive farming”...

That lad should know better😉. He's currently starting a study to show how great intensive dairy farming can be with regards to GHG emissions.

Splitting the country up into intensive grass farming and planting the rest to offset the emissions is the great plan for the future...

Westernrock

Say my name wrote: »

Vicon spreader.

I'm going to sound like I know what I'm talking about now but I think if you did that you'd kill off any life that was in the water in the first place. The more life you can get in soil whether applied or home grown should be the ultimate aim and eventually you will get the benefit of that life by what is termed "mineralization of nitrogen". All that means is the soil life reaches a crescendo of activity in end
of July/August/September and the nitrogen becomes available to the plants.

Ok, I misread your earlier post- I thought you were diluting the urea in seawater but it’s diluted sea water you are using, so how much sea water per acre or is it just trial and error?

K.G.

parden me but this sea water business is starting to sound like homeopathy.heaps of sea water being spread on our area every year and dont see things preforming any different to other parts.where do you buy it

Say my name

K.G. wrote: »

parden me but this sea water business is starting to sound like homeopathy.heaps of sea water being spread on our area every year and dont see things preforming any different to other parts.where do you buy it

The sea.
(I posted that in a previous post).

I probably should have just kept stumb. :
Not everything has to come out of a bottle or have a label on it for it to have any effect.

If you don't believe in EC ask yourself why dawggone had that dark green patch of grass that received no water.
Salt stressed grass goes dark green anymore though and it dies. Ask any lawn owner in a hot country.

Also ask yourself why some farmers in your own county consistently get 4t crops of barley when a few miles away you're back down to 3t crops.

As I say not promoting anything but sharing my experiences.
Hopefully not a crime.

Gawddawggonnit

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

That lad should know better😉. He's currently starting a study to show how great intensive dairy farming can be with regards to GHG emissions.

Splitting the country up into intensive grass farming and planting the rest to offset the emissions is the great plan for the future...

I’ve two lads here on quads since yesterday afternoon. They’ve got a nifty thingy that has a little auger that drills down to 90cm. It takes 3samples...

First sample is to 15cm. N,P, K + OM.
Second to 30cm. N + OM.
Third to 90cm. N.

Gps on both quads...

Costs me €17 per sample. 1sample per 5ha.
Gov pays for the rest.

I waited until weather is foul to try and have as much N washed out of the soil as possible so as to get max allowance of artificial N...if I was to go by the author I’d wait until July!!

Gov pay for the service because they now have a very accurate picture, with geolocation, of the state of my land...(otherwise I’d be sampling in the butt end of Connemara!)
Not much point in claiming to be an island of intensive farming in a sea of extensive farmland....



(I’ve pity on the two lads driving the quads. Rain and sleet going sideways)

restive

Milder weather this week coming. Although occasional frost at night. I will be putting out two bags of replenish to the acre this week coming. Hoping for some grazing in march.

cacs

restive wrote: »

Milder weather this week coming. Although occasional frost at night. I will be putting out two bags of replenish to the acre this week coming. Hoping for some grazing in march.

I am a novice with early urea. Is the frost we are getting at night too reducing soil temperatures too much to spread urea. Or is it perfect

K.G.

Say my name wrote: »

K.G. wrote: »

parden me but this sea water business is starting to sound like homeopathy.heaps of sea water being spread on our area every year and dont see things preforming any different to other parts.where do you buy it

The sea.
(I posted that in a previous post).

I probably should have just kept stumb. :
Not everything has to come out of a bottle or have a label on it for it to have any effect.

If you don't believe in EC ask yourself why dawggone had that dark green patch of grass that received no water.
Salt stressed grass goes dark green anymore though and it dies. Ask any lawn owner in a hot country.

Also ask yourself why some farmers in your own county consistently get 4t crops of barley when a few miles away you're back down to 3t crops.

As I say not promoting anything but sharing my experiences.
Hopefully not a crime
We live about a mile as the crow flies from the sea and we rent land on the edge but i think the fields on the sea edge grow less due to salt spray. At least it definately has a shorter season as right now it has burnt bare look.i remember back during the droughts of the mid 80s guys saying not to put seawater on the land but some guys were spreading from lakes.

Say my name

K.G. wrote: »

Say my name wrote: »

The sea.
(I posted that in a previous post).

I probably should have just kept stumb. :
Not everything has to come out of a bottle or have a label on it for it to have any effect.

If you don't believe in EC ask yourself why dawggone had that dark green patch of grass that received no water.
Salt stressed grass goes dark green anymore though and it dies. Ask any lawn owner in a hot country.

Also ask yourself why some farmers in your own county consistently get 4t crops of barley when a few miles away you're back down to 3t crops.

As I say not promoting anything but sharing my experiences.
Hopefully not a crime
We live about a mile as the crow flies from the sea and we rent land on the edge but i think the fields on the sea edge grow less due to salt spray. At least it definately has a shorter season as right now it has burnt bare look.i remember back during the droughts of the mid 80s guys saying not to put seawater on the land but some guys were spreading from lakes.

Too much of anything will burn a plant.
I've a paddock that has that burned look that got DS and others that are alright.
The one that got burned is coming back higher in calcium levels and pH than the other ones and extremely low in Boron (barely registering).

restive

cathal irwin wrote:

I am a novice with early urea. Is the frost we are getting at night too reducing soil temperatures too much to spread urea. Or is it perfect

Not sure, I am chancing my arm giving that we are now heading towards March.
Frost does not hurt fertilizer although it will hurt grass growth. The nitrogen will stay in the ground until milder weather comes along. When I put out the fertilizer yesterday. I was not leaving any tracks with the tractor wheels. I thought ground was in very good condition.

darragh_haven

restive wrote: »

Not sure, I am chancing my arm giving that we are now heading towards March.
Frost does not hurt fertilizer although it will hurt grass growth. The nitrogen will stay in the ground until milder weather comes along. When I put out the fertilizer yesterday. I was not leaving any tracks with the tractor wheels. I thought ground was in very good condition.

Whole farm covered yesterday. Different ground got different rates tho

Bass Reeves

Started spreading yesterday. Spread about 10-12 acres at about 35-38 units/acre of N. Will try to do another 12 acres tomorrow evening and again on Saturday. Ground condition have improved and will start letting cattle out in the next 3-7 days. 15 acres got slurry about 3 weeks ago. Nearly ready to rock

Robson99

Gearing up a small spreder to put on the Dogs back. Its about all you would let out on the land around here.

mahoney_j

Rightly or wrongly covered milk block with 150 kg per hectare of yarra early start yesterday .going at out blick in a bit .slurry on grazed ground from tomorrow

Bass Reeves

mahoney_j wrote: »

Rightly or wrongly covered milk block with 150 kg per hectare of yarra early start yesterday .going at out blick in a bit .slurry on grazed ground from tomorrow

Made up my own version of early start, big bag of urea, 80-90kgs of CAN and about 30kgs of Granlime. Used a bit last year on a bit away from main farm very good at start of year

Waffletraktor

Bass Reeves wrote: »

mahoney_j wrote: »

Rightly or wrongly covered milk block with 150 kg per hectare of yarra early start yesterday .going at out blick in a bit .slurry on grazed ground from tomorrow

Made up my own version of early start, big bag of urea, 80-90kgs of CAN and about 30kgs of Granlime. Used a bit last year on a bit away from main farm very good at start of year

Lime and urea's hardly a great idea?

wrangler

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Lime and urea's hardly a great idea?

Yea, I thought it was non runner with ordinary lime, what's the position with Granlime

Lambman

Anybody with Urea out yet? Have bare fields that sheep are just off and fields that were closed in October so a bit off cover on them ewes are all housed now so thinking on doing everything with 1/2 bag till acre off Urea. Any advice

Bass Reeves

Lambman wrote: »

Anybody with Urea out yet? Have bare fields that sheep are just off and fields that were closed in October so a bit off cover on them ewes are all housed now so thinking on doing everything with 1/2 bag till acre off Urea. Any advice

Take your ground temperature. At present mine is 10C however I am not open to spread until the 16th I think. The forecast after the 16 is for heavy rain for a few days. Ideally I should have spread yesterday or the day before so taht it would be below ground and in the roots before the 16th.

Mortelaro

You are lucky Bass that you're not allowed spread yet,because ground temps won't be 10c next week,what will the response to urea be with night frosts and air temps in single digits and likely worse the following week?
It's beautiful at the moment but I'm not spending money on urea if it sits there doing nothing,
What I've decided to do is graze some land to the butt,spread slurry on it and then when the weather is right for fert graze the rest of the farm while waiting for the spread part to grow
That'll be in march
Now my decision is weather forecast dependent and fluid so I'm waiting untill Sunday to confirm my plan as there's a lot of forecast uncertainty
If the outlook improves which it might I'll change it but either way,grazing now has saved a lot of silage and thanks to unusual regrowth,without compromising full time turnout

Be careful of the false security of this so far mild weather is what I'm saying if you get me?

jaymla627

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are lucky Bass that you're not allowed spread yet,because ground temps won't be 10c next week,what will the response to urea be with night frosts and air temps in single digits and likely worse the following week?
It's beautiful at the moment but I'm not spending money on urea if it sits there doing nothing,
What I've decided to do is graze some land to the butt,spread slurry on it and then when the weather is right for fert graze the rest of the farm while waiting for the spread part to grow
That'll be in march
Now my decision is weather forecast dependent and fluid so I'm waiting untill Sunday to confirm my plan as there's a lot of forecast uncertainty
If the outlook improves which it might I'll change it but either way,grazing now has saved a lot of silage and thanks to unusual regrowth,without compromising full time turnout

Be careful of the false security of this so far mild weather is what I'm saying if you get me?

Last spring should of knocked some sense into lads re early urea, but with it being conference season and the grass propaganda machine in overdrive the majority just can’t resist the urge to hook up the spreader

K9

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are lucky Bass that you're not allowed spread yet,because ground temps won't be 10c next week,what will the response to urea be with night frosts and air temps in single digits and likely worse the following week?
It's beautiful at the moment but I'm not spending money on urea if it sits there doing nothing,
What I've decided to do is graze some land to the butt,spread slurry on it and then when the weather is right for fert graze the rest of the farm while waiting for the spread part to grow
That'll be in march
Now my decision is weather forecast dependent and fluid so I'm waiting untill Sunday to confirm my plan as there's a lot of forecast uncertainty
If the outlook improves which it might I'll change it but either way,grazing now has saved a lot of silage and thanks to unusual regrowth,without compromising full time turnout

Be careful of the false security of this so far mild weather is what I'm saying if you get me?

Why spread slurry if the weather isn’t suited for urea.

Mortelaro

K9 wrote: »

Why spread slurry if the weather isn’t suited for urea.

To empty the tanks?

Meanwhile here's a tweet from the media director of the UK met office

https://twitter.com/Petagna/status/1085160602354503681?s=19

Green farmer

There’s a few different weather models about. Some don’t have the cold weather reaching us.

Mortelaro

Green farmer wrote: »

There’s a few different weather models about. Some don’t have the cold weather reaching us.

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