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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I just had a bathroom fan installed as part of the seai grant and all the wiring is done through the attic so definitely allowed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    It was a fixed price install alright, it was the EI offer for €1100 up front and I would get the grant back from the SEAI directly. Yes it could have been company policy instead of actual regulations for the attic cable run, he didn't think it was a good idea anyway because of the continuous high currents involved. I don't know about accessing the meter box but it certainly would have made his job a lot easier to go that way, it was a lovely neat install.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    All possible but I’d say he was “talking” you out of it. High currents makes no sense at all. It’s a 32a draw max. It’s just more work for him to be honest. That’s it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭godzillaess




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Jesus you're an oddball, did you read my post at all? There was no need whatsoever to go near the attic it was only mentioned in conversation as he was finishing up, he wasn't talking me out of anything (more suspicion). Regarding accessing the meter box, he agreed 100% it would have saved him a lot of drilling but it wouldn't be worth the hassle for him because accessing the meter box would involve getting more company bosses involved etc and would certainly have delayed the install, anyway he had, and I had, good quality drills and bits to get the job over the line that day which is what we both wanted.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Ok oddball.
    Just addressing the comments about attic runs being against regulations that you stated.

    Your installer (if the conversation even happened) was mugging you off.

    You also stated “Using the correct isolator, which it looks like, the feed should be in from the bottom. It's about safety more than looks.”

    More BS unfortunately. Again, installer just didn’t want to encourage or engage with you. Just wanted to shut the conversation down. The isolators can be too entry or bottom entry or side entry once they’ve been manufactured for that.

    Your installer sounds odd alright, requiring management sign off for a basic install and also requiring the customers tools and drill bits. Very strange. But anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    You definitely have an uncanny ability to misread everything, you assume everyone is lying. What a weird outlook on life 🤔



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Nope. Just correcting the misfacts, like others have posted. You brought us down this rabbit hole.

    Your initial post was a grilling to the OP about going through the attic? Then you stated it wasn’t allowed…..

    You also stated that the isolator switch was fitted incorrectly and wired incorrectly, again without any knowledge of the area.

    And then you wonder why people are calling you out on it. Get a grip.

    And then you carry your silly little argument across to other posts. Childish muppetry.



  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,977 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    It was €1249 before the grant, and €949 net of the grant. I got it in their October special offer. I think the offer was €799 but I needed additional cable because of the distance from the fuse box to the charger.

    Re the attic cabling, literally all our wiring runs through the attic. We just had a solar pv system installed this week and it’s all run through the attic also. The solar guys commented that the charger was a neat job as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,859 ✭✭✭stimpson


    I hope the mods allow this, but I'm going to sell on my Kia/Energia Charger install. It's for a Ohme Home Pro/ZappiEO Mini Pro 3, fully installed by Energia. I'm asking for the retail price of the Zappi, so essentially it's a free install.

    See the ad here: https://www.adverts.ie/other/ev-charger-install/35827029



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Right, time to get this back in perspective with a what I posted earlier and put a stop to this attack. 1) I never grilled anyone, I simply asked Toots was the cable inside going through the attic #8672. He replied it was going through the attic #8680.

    2) #8672 I said it looks tidy, I thought power would have been fed underneath, backed up by zg3409 who said it's best practice to connect from the bottom. I never said the wrong isolator was fitted in fact I said it was the correct one #8681.

    Post #8691 was where you accused me for the second time of lying. I offered him the use of a mains power masonry drill as he had a battery drill with him but he said it should be man enough for the job, I put his spare battery on his charger in case he needed it as he was going to another job in the afternoon.

    I still stand over what I was told by my installer. His company did not allow them to enter attic space.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    100%. Absolutely nothing wrong with cabling in the attic space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Agree.

    Anything else is just FUD @CoBo55. Assume it's not intentional but this is how old wives tales start and then become "fact" unless challenged.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Entry to attic space was more likely insurance related, nothing to do with regs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Cable runs are allowed through the attic.

    Bad information is pervasive. Don't propagate it. The installer in your case was talking waffle (for whatever reason) someone saying something with their mouth doesn't make it true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Entry to attics is more than likely because some people don't fancy going into attics if there's another handier option for them.

    These lads are human and can be lazy too. As we all can. I've yet to see a tradesman avoid handier work by raising insurance as a concern. They'll take handy options every time. If attic was effort they'll take the path easier travelled 😬😬😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭LBF21


    Any recommendations for North Dublin installers? Also is a connection to the fuse box necessary? Mine is a at back of the house on the opposite side that I want to get the charger installed. Actually want to get it installed right beside the meter. First time getting a plug in and all new to me.

    Thanks

    Post edited by LBF21 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭JohnySwan


    If a connection to the distribution board is considered not to be feasible, then connection to the meter cabinet is allowed. Stupid regulation, it should either be allowed or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭rocky


    I'd like to replace a Tesla gen 1 Wall charger (connector broke a pin and the whole unit needs replacing), seems the Tesla gen 3 is quite cheap at 535€ on the website... I don't need a zappi for solar at double the price, but Nigel is saying the Tesla doesn't comply with some regulations?

    I assume it's a straight replacement for the old gen1, no other work required, so any electrician from this list should be able to do it?

    https://safeelectric.ie/find-an-electrician/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Very easy to replace. I upgraded my own dumb charger to a Hypervolt a couple years ago, as I needed a type 2 charger. Not much more challenging than upgrading a power socket.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭zg3409


    You don't get the grant for a Tesla unit these days but you may have received grant for old unit anyway. New rules mean an isolator switch needs to be fitted nearby. There may be other rules the Tesia unit does not meet as Irish rules are special, the only country in the world requiring an isolator often bigger than the charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Hi, we're getting a new Kia and they offer a free home charger with it - we have the option of an Ohme Home Pro, a Zappi or an EO Pro 3 (https://smarthomestore.energia.ie/smart-electric-vehicles)

    Any thoughts on which would be best?. We have PV panels installed, no battery currently if that makes any difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Zappi probably the long term gold standard for your needs PV. Just works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I would counter the "just works" comment.

    The only real positives with Zappi is the integration with same brand accessories and the notably good customer service. They have a lot of product issues though with regard to the EV chargers dying just outside of warranty period. The saving grace being that MyEnergy will give you a good deal on a new one.

    Personally I would be going for OHME pro out of those options. It's neat, I haven't heard much problems with them and they don't look like a toilet. Plus, it's the tethered model, where the EO are untethered.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The only people I know of them dying out of warranty is 1 poster on here. Anyone i know in real life with zappi just works . There's a reason they led the market for so long and support of their units is part of it.

    I just want to add. The toilet stuff is nonsense it holds the cable extremely neatly and it's so easy to place it on and off. Design smarts by whomever put that together.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I've seen multiple examples on various EV forums, including a few here. Not all were full failures, but plenty of issues. Almost as many as the old Rolec chargers. The Zappi attraction was the eco system and the idea of charging an EV from solar. Since export tariffs came in, they are not so popular.

    One thread here with someone on their third Zappi.

    I'm not telling the poster not to buy one, i'm giving my opinion and I think it's fair to say that the Zappi reliability isn't what it was when they first came to market.

    And they do look like a toilet. Well, a toilet seat, or a urinal.

    Podpoint also look a bit like a potty. I think some of the design teams are just havin' a laugh.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Where do you leave your cable trailing on the ground... ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭JohnySwan


    I toilet trained my first born on something that looked exactly like the Zappi. 🤣



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I’ve had 2 zappis crapping themselves out of warranty. They have great customer service but an inferior product to Wallbox or OHME.

    I’m on my third one now. It’s working but every now and again I get the failure warning and I have to reset using the hamburger settings.

    Only reason I keep it is because of the myenergy ecosystem. I have a brand new in the box Wallbox that came with one of the cars last year and is fit that of the zappi dies again.

    OHME has as good if not better customer support based in Cork but I only know 2 people with one, both on my road and they’ve had no problems with them.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Wallbox comes with a cable hook thing. Pretty basic stuff. We don’t need to engineer a cable holder here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I use the Hypervolt. Cable wraps around it neatly.

    Comes with a holster too which I use.

    Models that don't have this type of cable tidy function built in can use other cable wrap solutions, but I prefer wrapping around the charger, just like the Zappi does.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Wrap around are best everything else looks like a mess.

    Seems with the volume of zappis sold they still are the standard. Hence my original post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭JohnySwan


    My load balancing failed last night on my Zappi. Ended up pulling 65 amps for 2 hours on a 63 amp MCB.

    Luckily I have a redundancy in the inverter which limited the import to 15kw by reducing the charge to the batteries. I reset the Zappi and will check it tomorrow.

    Ever happen to anyone else?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Haven't heard of that before, I'd check the physical settings on the Zappi and your CT clamp, sometimes with ME updates lots of settings go back to default



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭JohnySwan


    Those were the first things I checked, suspected the same as you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    As I posted here a few days ago, there seems to be issues with Zappi EC chargers in recent years. Not the product they were in the first couple of years IMO. Some mad stuff happens with them.

    If you haven't already, do a hard reset and kill power to it for a couple of hours. If that doesn't sort it, then it's onto customer care.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭JohnySwan


    It didn’t even charge last night. This is what the app thinks is happening at the moment. Nothing is being imported from the grid, and the eddi isn't drawing any power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭JohnySwan


    Screen on the Zappi frozen, it obviously didn't like my reference to a potty😃



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,663 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    ME have excellent phone support, get onto their UK number and they will sort you out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Looks to be frozen at 1am. Any firmware updates pending ? How's your typical connection to the WiFi?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭pad406


    Funny, mine didn't charge last night either. Thought I just hadn't plugged it in right or something.

    My app is currently ok, perhaps they were doing some upgrades on the site/system last night?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭JohnySwan


    Did a factory reset and charged fine last night, all looks good again today. Inverter RCBO tripped last night, another one to keep an eye on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Something funky going on with your setup. May consider checking the board out is everyhing tight etc. Or have a professional check it over. Stuff can become loose over time. But you don't want arking occurring in loose terminals.

    I happened to find a shodily crimped live ferrule in mine with evidence of heat/burning. Very poorly installed. Cables easily pulled from their terminals.... All sorted and resolved easily, but begs the question of calibre of this professional electrician. However like any industry theres superb people and flutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 UnfortuateSon


    Hi all. Has anyone encountered an issue with their Zappi where the Grid and House icons in the app show as grayed out? The Grid shows "not in use" in the App while the Home shows "idle". Both definitely being incorrect as the I can the see the grid and house usage in the FusionSolar app. The usage in the top right hand corner of the Zappi screen itself also shows 0.0.

    This all started after a reboot of the Zappi. The scheduled charge last night didn't work for some reason but it had been a good while since its last reboot so I thought it might be worth doing so. Before that everything was ok with the app and screen readouts. A second reboot has not fixed the issue.

    I did a search online that mentioned setting the Zappi as the Master as a potential solution but checking its settings it appears the Zappi is correctly set as the master.

    Any suggestions will be greatly appricated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Any yellow triangles that indicate something is offline?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    This is probably related to the CT clamp faulty or installed oddly or loose connection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 UnfortuateSon


    No. No yellow triangles or any other icons on the app unfortunately. The car is showing as waiting for a charge tonight and thats all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,302 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It only happened after a reboot, so not likely to be loose connection, or CT.

    @UnfortuateSon Make sure no timers are set on the car. Try a full reset to factory. Power down the Zappi for a good hour. If you haven't touched the CT Clamp, or other connections, it is almost certainly another Zappi malfunction. Could have got caught in the middle of one of their random updates.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,128 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    This is how mine looks if the ct clamp isn't attached or is attached to the evs supply live.

    Cables do move or become loose. Did you try charging it? If the ct is loose it will / should stop the charge after a minute. If the settings grid section is set correctly to CT grid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Looks like CT clamp not reporting import nor export.



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