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nkay1985 wrote: »

Got my EO Mini Pro installed yesterday. Ordered with Electric Ireland but you deal with KN Networks from then. Received two phone calls, as well as an email, in advance to confirm the details of the visit and screen for Covid issues. The installed was a lovely guy and did a nice, neat job. He was able to use the meter box, rather than having to go through the wall and into the main fuse board. Said that change only came in two weeks ago. Ideal!

Gave it a little test charge last night as the car was fully charged when I picked it up. Thanks for the advice.

Has anyone else been allowed to connect to the meter box rather than through the house to the main fuseboard?

I was through to KN networks yesterday and the lady was adament that this wasn't allowed. To be fair she was just reading off the screen and couldn't tell me why not.

waynegalway

Hi all,

This is a massive thread, so I'm sure this has been asked in some form before....

I have a LEAF24 which I bought 2nd hand just before the grant was made available for 2nd hand cars. So, I have a 32a charger installed which I paid for entirely myself, including the fitting. Because of that, my MPRN has not been associated with an EV or a charger to date.

We're buying a second EV (most likely ID3), so we're not stuck for charge as we can share the one unit for a while at least. When my charger was installed originally, we had electric patio heaters out the back, so there's a priority switch already here (the heaters have been disconnected).

Here's the question: does my electrician have to be registered with SEAI in order for me to get the grant? He's fully legit, not a chancer, but he's not registered with SEAI at the moment. Will it be acceptable if he does the job (I'll buy the charger myself) and provides the cert at the end, or will SEAI insist on something more?

I know I can get another wallpod and the installation done "all-in" for about €700ish, but I'm just afraid that if I have to go with an SEAI specific electrician, the cost will soar. Happy to be out of pocket €100 or so after the grant, but don't want to be fleeced.

Any advice gratefully received.

TIA

the_amazing_raisin

waynegalway wrote: »

Hi all,

This is a massive thread, so I'm sure this has been asked in some form before....

I have a LEAF24 which I bought 2nd hand just before the grant was made available for 2nd hand cars. So, I have a 32a charger installed which I paid for entirely myself, including the fitting. Because of that, my MPRN has not been associated with an EV or a charger to date.

We're buying a second EV (most likely ID3), so we're not stuck for charge as we can share the one unit for a while at least. When my charger was installed originally, we had electric patio heaters out the back, so there's a priority switch already here (the heaters have been disconnected).

Here's the question: does my electrician have to be registered with SEAI in order for me to get the grant? He's fully legit, not a chancer, but he's not registered with SEAI at the moment. Will it be acceptable if he does the job (I'll buy the charger myself) and provides the cert at the end, or will SEAI insist on something more?

I know I can get another wallpod and the installation done "all-in" for about €700ish, but I'm just afraid that if I have to go with an SEAI specific electrician, the cost will soar. Happy to be out of pocket €100 or so after the grant, but don't want to be fleeced.

Any advice gratefully received.

TIA

I believe any electrician registered with the RECI is eligible to claim the grant

You'll need the test cert from the installation for the claim which should be proof by itself that your electrician is registered

I think in the UK the installer claims the grant rather than the customer, so they probably need to be registered with whatever the equivalent of SEAI is there. Maybe that's what your installer was thinking about?

waynegalway

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I believe any electrician registered with the RECI is eligible to claim the grant

You'll need the test cert from the installation for the claim which should be proof by itself that your electrician is registered

I think in the UK the installer claims the grant rather than the customer, so they probably need to be registered with whatever the equivalent of SEAI is there. Maybe that's what your installer was thinking about?

Thanks, that’s great to hear.

KCross

seligehgit wrote: »

So is purchasing my zappi ev charging station tethered in black pre receipt of the letter of offer considered a commencement of works?

No, that will be fine as long as your electricians invoice is after the grant date.

seligehgit

KCross wrote: »

No, that will be fine as long as your electricians invoice is after the grant date.

Thanks a million.

Gumbo

KCross wrote: »

No, that will be fine as long as your electricians invoice is after the grant date.

Just to clarify. The cert should be after the date. You don’t actually submit any invoices to the the SEAI.

seligehgit

Gumbo wrote: »

Just to clarify. The cert should be after the date. You don’t actually submit any invoices to the the SEAI.

You'll have to complete a payment request form whatever that entails.

https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

graememk

seligehgit wrote: »

You'll have to complete a payment request form whatever that entails.

https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

Its the form you send off with the photos of the car and chargepoint, Cert, and copy of the car's Tax reg cert *.

you get that form when you get the approval.

*for second hand cars, or if you didnt apply using the SEAI car grant number

(Ive heard sometimes they have asked for it even when the SEAI car grant number was supplied)

danoriordan1402

who what when wrote: »

Has anyone else been allowed to connect to the meter box rather than through the house to the main fuseboard?

I was through to KN networks yesterday and the lady was adament that this wasn't allowed. To be fair she was just reading off the screen and couldn't tell me why not.

March newsletter said you can, ideally they would like it at the main fuse board but...
https://safeelectric.ie/contractors/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/MarchNewsletterSafeElecFinal-1.pdf

slave1

waynegalway wrote: »

Hi all,

This is a massive thread, so I'm sure this has been asked in some form before....

I have a LEAF24 which I bought 2nd hand just before the grant was made available for 2nd hand cars. So, I have a 32a charger installed which I paid for entirely myself, including the fitting. Because of that, my MPRN has not been associated with an EV or a charger to date.

We're buying a second EV (most likely ID3), so we're not stuck for charge as we can share the one unit for a while at least. When my charger was installed originally, we had electric patio heaters out the back, so there's a priority switch already here (the heaters have been disconnected).

Here's the question: does my electrician have to be registered with SEAI in order for me to get the grant? He's fully legit, not a chancer, but he's not registered with SEAI at the moment. Will it be acceptable if he does the job (I'll buy the charger myself) and provides the cert at the end, or will SEAI insist on something more?

I know I can get another wallpod and the installation done "all-in" for about €700ish, but I'm just afraid that if I have to go with an SEAI specific electrician, the cost will soar. Happy to be out of pocket €100 or so after the grant, but don't want to be fleeced.

Any advice gratefully received.

TIA

You’ll need to install an isolator switch too if not installed already, couple more bucks there

Gumbo

seligehgit wrote: »

You'll have to complete a payment request form whatever that entails.

https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

Yes, but you do not include any invoice at all. I’ve done about 7 of these in the last year or so. Trust me.

seligehgit

who what when wrote: »

Has anyone else been allowed to connect to the meter box rather than through the house to the main fuseboard?

I was through to KN networks yesterday and the lady was adament that this wasn't allowed. To be fair she was just reading off the screen and couldn't tell me why not.

The eligibilty criteria clearly state the charger must be connected back to the fuse board of the home of the applicant.

liamog

seligehgit wrote: »

The eligibilty criteria clearly state the charger must be connected back to the fuse board of the home of the applicant.

who what when wrote: »

Has anyone else been allowed to connect to the meter box rather than through the house to the main fuseboard?

I was through to KN networks yesterday and the lady was adament that this wasn't allowed. To be fair she was just reading off the screen and couldn't tell me why not.

The regs were updated earlier this year to allow charge points to be installed via a connection to the meter box. A few posters have already had this done on grant eligible installation, maybe try calling a different installer.

seligehgit

liamog wrote: »

The regs were updated earlier this year to allow charge points to be installed via a connection to the meter box. A few posters have already had this done on grant eligible installation, maybe try calling a different installer.

Any link to confirm same?

RobbieTheRobber

who what when wrote: »

Has anyone else been allowed to connect to the meter box rather than through the house to the main fuseboard?

I was through to KN networks yesterday and the lady was adament that this wasn't allowed. To be fair she was just reading off the screen and couldn't tell me why not.

I had an installation done on the 21st of May from the meter board. Wasn't through electric ireland though.

Gumbo

seligehgit wrote: »

Any link to confirm same?

I posted it and the newsletter Int his thread back in march.

But for clarity - https://safeelectric.ie/contractors/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/MarchNewsletterSafeElecFinal-1.pdf

seligehgit

Gumbo wrote: »

I posted it and the newsletter Int his thread back in march.

But for clarity - https://safeelectric.ie/contractors/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/MarchNewsletterSafeElecFinal-1.pdf

Thanks so much.

Liam2021

Just got eo mini pro 2 installed. I downloaded the app but can't connect the eo to the WiFi. How do I connect the Internet and do I need the Internet to change

Quin_Dub

Liam2021 wrote: »

Just got eo mini pro 2 installed. I downloaded the app but can't connect the eo to the WiFi. How do I connect the Internet and do I need the Internet to change

Can you pick up your wifi on your phone when next to the Charge unit?

The EO is 2.4Ghz WiFi only so make sure your phone is on that connection and not the 5Ghz connection to see if that helps.

You don't really need the app for the EO anyway - It's extremely limited in functionality, you should be able to do all the things you want from the app for the car in terms of scheduling charge times etc.

waynegalway

Hi all,

What's the story with getting second charge point?

We already have a 32a Rolec unit, but we're getting a second EV later this week. Can I have two 32a chargers installed? I have a priority switch already installed for the first charger, although the thing it was used for (outdoor heater) has been removed from the house; basically, I have the priority switch there, but the only thing connected to it is the 32a charger.

In my (simple) mind, my plan was to use the priority switch with the two chargers so that only one of them would be powered at any one time. Is that a possibility?

Gumbo

waynegalway wrote: »

Hi all,

What's the story with getting second charge point?

We already have a 32a Rolec unit, but we're getting a second EV later this week. Can I have two 32a chargers installed? I have a priority switch already installed for the first charger, although the thing it was used for (outdoor heater) has been removed from the house; basically, I have the priority switch there, but the only thing connected to it is the 32a charger.

In my (simple) mind, my plan was to use the priority switch with the two chargers so that only one of them would be powered at any one time. Is that a possibility?

Sounds messy.
I’d run one from the granny cable.

KCross

waynegalway wrote: »

Hi all,

What's the story with getting second charge point?

We already have a 32a Rolec unit, but we're getting a second EV later this week. Can I have two 32a chargers installed? I have a priority switch already installed for the first charger, although the thing it was used for (outdoor heater) has been removed from the house; basically, I have the priority switch there, but the only thing connected to it is the 32a charger.

In my (simple) mind, my plan was to use the priority switch with the two chargers so that only one of them would be powered at any one time. Is that a possibility?

You can have two 32A charge points as long as both are not allowed exceed your house supply limits.

I'd suggest best way forward is to use a load sensing charge point.

Priority switches are not ideal as they are a blunt instrument in that they just cut the power entirely to the charge point. This can interrupt charge sessions and depending on the charge point and car can result in the session not restarting.

Get a load sensing charge point and if you happen to turn both chargers on at the same time the load sensing one will ramp down to compensate to ensure you dont blow your house fuse.... much better solution for the long term.

But the priority switch might work too.

the_amazing_raisin

waynegalway wrote: »

Hi all,

What's the story with getting second charge point?

We already have a 32a Rolec unit, but we're getting a second EV later this week. Can I have two 32a chargers installed? I have a priority switch already installed for the first charger, although the thing it was used for (outdoor heater) has been removed from the house; basically, I have the priority switch there, but the only thing connected to it is the 32a charger.

In my (simple) mind, my plan was to use the priority switch with the two chargers so that only one of them would be powered at any one time. Is that a possibility?

We have 2 EV's and a single charger, getting away with just taking turns for now

You can use 2 Zappi's or 2 Eo Mini's with the ALM module and they'll split the available power

Or just install 2x 16A chargers on the 32A cable and charge slower

eagerv

We also have 2 EVs and a single charge point. Haven't run into any problems as yet, but occasionally change over at 6am the very odd time we both need a charge on the same night. Missus just swaps over when bringing the hound for a walk. Very quick and simple as the two car charging ports are are only a meter or so apart. 3 hours does her plenty in the Ioniq before she leaves before 9am.

waynegalway

Gumbo wrote: »

Sounds messy.
I’d run one from the granny cable.

Running from Granny cable isn't really an option. I don't have a GC for my LEAF24, but the ID3 will have one....don't fancy relying on that long term to charge 58kWh.

waynegalway

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

We have 2 EV's and a single charger, getting away with just taking turns for now

You can use 2 Zappi's or 2 Eo Mini's with the ALM module and they'll split the available power

Or just install 2x 16A chargers on the 32A cable and charge slower

Taking turns may well work too. That's what we'll be doing in the immediate term anyway I guess.

I have a Rolec 32a at the moment. I suppose I could use that for the ID3 and install a new 16a one for my LEAF24

the_amazing_raisin

waynegalway wrote: »

Running from Granny cable isn't really an option. I don't have a GC for my LEAF24, but the ID3 will have one....don't fancy relying on that long term to charge 58kWh.

Granny cable for a Leaf will cost you about €100, much cheaper than a second charger plus works

waynegalway

eagerv wrote: »

We also have 2 EVs and a single charge point. Haven't run into any problems as yet, but occasionally change over at 6am the very odd time we both need a charge on the same night. Missus just swaps over when bringing the hound for a walk. Very quick and simple as the two car charging ports are are only a meter or so apart. 3 hours does her plenty in the Ioniq before she leaves before 9am.

Yeah, we'll have to share a charge point to begin with anyway, so maybe that will work out okay.

My wife will have the ID3 and she has a 150km daily commute (Galway to Ennis and back), so maybe she'll only need every second night? My LEAF24 is a 151 and so the usable capacity is down to about 18kWh at this point. It has the 6.6 charger onboard, and I do about 30km a day in it. So I'd probably get away with every second day too. Maybe sharing will work out, but I just don't want another thing to start an argument

the_amazing_raisin

waynegalway wrote: »

I have a Rolec 32a at the moment. I suppose I could use that for the ID3 and install a new 16a one for my LEAF24

Well, that's still 48A total on a house supply of probably 64A, not much left for everything else. Not to mention the fact that you'll need to run a new cable from the consumer unit, which would add expense

You could play with the charging schedules on both cars to make sure they never cross over, but you're one mistake away from popping the main fuse for the house. Especially given that VW are having problems with the charging timers

I think in the short term I'd try to charge the Leaf from a granny cable and the ID.3 from the wall box. Or just take turns, unless you need to charge both cars every day then you'll be grand

Long term, look at getting 2 chargers with load balancing so they can share the available power better