Female only island to open off Finnish coast.

whiskeyman

I always thought these were the first female inhabited islands:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich_Islands

El_Duderino 09

Zulu wrote: »

We all know it's the blatant hypocrisy of it that irks people, not the single gender clubs, pubs, whatever. Sure even you know that.

But then, thats your modus operandi - isn't it. Rage on!

Yeah you’re spot on. The hypocrisy of being fine with Portmarnock and getting upset about this would be pretty blatant alright. I wonder if any of the ones who are upset about this are also upset about men only clubs like Portmarnock.

As I said, let the market decide.

bear1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah the hypocrisy of being five with Portmarnock and getting upset about this is pretty blatant. I wonder if any of the ones who are upset about this are also upset about men only clubs like Portmarnock.

As I said, let the market decide.

I fail to see what the economics of it have to do with discrimination?
You keep mentioning portmarnock but at the same time mention that the markets should decide, tell me is/was portmarock a successful business?

py2006

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I wonder if all the big brave bucks who are so upset about this proposed women only resort are also upset about a Portmarnock Golf Club being a men only club.

As with not of these stories, it’s only wrong when the other side do it.

Why not just let the market decide whether this business survives or not?

You seriously don't get it do you. Either that or your posts in various threads are deliberate windups.

El_Duderino 09

py2006 wrote: »

You seriously don't get it do you. Either that or your posts in various threads are deliberate windups.

What’s to get? They’re both single gender entertainment/recreational venues. They’re either both right or both wrong.

Grayson

Assetbacked wrote: »

I disagree. By all accounts it was a tiny minority who groped waitresses. The whole event shouldn't be banned because of the tiny minority.

Essentially you have just compared a men-only event to wearing Nazi costumes...interesting logic.

That took a lot of reading into.Let's map the logic you're using.

I say
1) some male only groups are harmless.
2) some aren't. And I gave an example of one occasion.

You take my two premises and say that the conclusion is that I'm saying men only events are like events where people wear nazi costumes.

It's obviously not what I said. You're reading into my post what you want to read.

FAILSAFE 00

Female only island to open off Finnish coast.

El_Duderino 09

bear1 wrote: »

I fail to see what the economics of it have to do with discrimination?
You keep mentioning portmarnock but at the same time mention that the markets should decide, tell me is/was portmarock a successful business?

Well Portmarnock is a men only golf club and it was ruled legal in the high court (Ireland). So it’s legal to have a men/woman only club in Ireland.

I bring it up because I think anyone who opposes the women only resort would also oppose a men only Golf club. I personally don’t have much problem with either.

bear1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well Portmarnock is a men only golf club and it was ruled legal in the high court (Ireland). So it’s legal to have a men/woman only club in Ireland.

I bring it up because I think anyone who opposes the women only resort would also oppose a men only Golf club. I personally don’t have much problem with either.

But what does economics have to do with it?
Also women are allowed to play at portmarnock, they can't be members.
So it's entirely different to a place where a man can't even set foot.

El_Duderino 09

bear1 wrote: »

But what does economics have to do with it?
Also women are allowed to play at portmarnock, they can't be members.
So it's entirely different to a place where a man can't even set foot.

Well I don’t have a problem with it so I’m happy to let the market decide whether its a good business idea or not.

It’s not exact the same, it’s an analogy.

How sensitive are these people who are getting upset about this resort?

rgodard80a

It's not like the island is a permanent feminist/femi-nazi commune... it seems to be "marketed" as a break away.

Probably would hit the mark with hen parties, divorcees parties etc.

Sleepy

Oh, I've no problem with it at all. I just think the kind of women who this type of thing appeals to (a "sanctuary" away from men) are the very type of women who will be least capable of keeping the show on the road... without male assistance.

weldoninhio

silverharp wrote: »

or equally it just shows the relative interest in the job. It would probably horrify most men to go into politics is just so happens it horrifies even more women.

You always see this whiny argument about the lack of female CEOs, female politicians etc. They never seem to complain about the gender gap in collecting the bins, working on building sites or car mechanics.

Spanish Eyes

Will trans women (not realigned) be allowed in?

That's what could happen here with women/men only spaces under self ID for gender. Obv it would be non realigned trans men in the golf clubs.

Watch this space.

Bob_Marley

women need their own getaway island, cant see the problem.

buried

This gig will last two days and the whole shop will be like a supersonic colder Lord of the Flies with way more expensive shoes.

DredFX

Bob_Marley wrote: »

women need their own getaway island, cant see the problem.

Thanks, Bob. How's it hanging in reggae heaven?

Bob_Marley

DredFX wrote: »

Thanks, Bob. How's it hanging in reggae heaven?

it's jammin man

rgodard80a

Wait until all their menstrual cycles align and there's a sale at the shoe shop... It'll be a blood bath

Jurgen Klopp

I actually wouldnt mind letting males and females have their own little men/women only groups, islands or whatever

What annoys me tho is there will a lot of one's cheering this on as some sort of female empowerment who'd lose their **** if someone tried opening a male only island or what have you

I mean can it be labelled as even remotely similar to the golf club? They can't become "members" but yet they don't seem to be refused any part of the services there such as playing the course or service in the bar etc

A more appropriate example would be if women were not allowed inside the gates and be refused to be allowed use the course etc

Jurgen Klopp

GerryDerpy wrote: »

Most voters are women. Ergo sexism in politics is caused by women. Go stats.

Oh my, think the mic just been dropped

screamer

After a period of oppression there is an over correction whether to exact revenge or even up the score or try to show dominance. After a while all this shall pass....and then there will be more equal and measured equality.

DredFX

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

What annoys me tho is there will a lot of one's cheering this on as some sort of female empowerment who'd lose their **** if someone tried opening a male only island or what have you

Would they, though? Aside from some snarky article on Jezebel, I can't see a lot of women giving a rat's posterior about a bunch of dudes drinking beer on an island.

Certainly not as much as men give about a bunch of women doing yoga on an island.

Jurgen Klopp

Worship_me as a God wrote: »

How will you bring this socialist gender utopia about? Force women to run for election? For people to vote for them? Ban democracy?

Well that's it, you can have say Fianna Fail for example put forward an even balance of 60 TDs nationally to meet a 50:50 quote

But what happens if men and women voters go in and vote and you end up with more men selected than women across all parties say 70:30 for the final Dáil seats?

I mean what's the next solution, break up the voting system, a list of male candidates and a list of female candidates by preference?

Isn't that essentially segregating the vote, the people running for it and also the voters attitudes

Then how can it work in counties with an odd number of seats like? Like what rotate it. This election the 3 seats go 2 female and 1 make next election you reverse it

bear1

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well I don’t have a problem with it so I’m happy to let the market decide whether its a good business idea or not.

It’s not exact the same, it’s an analogy.

How sensitive are these people who are getting upset about this resort?

Again, the thread wasn't started to chant anger towards them but to highlight the hypocrisy.
I used an example earlier of when there was a car insurance company set up for women only.
Men couldn't get insured with them.
If a men's only insurance company was set up, a private male only island, what have you, where women could not go then there would be furore.
Still cant underatnd why you are bringing economics into it... business models don't care as long as the cash keeps coming.

Jurgen Klopp

DredFX wrote: »

Would they, though? Aside from some snarky article on Jezebel, I can't see a lot of women giving a rat's posterior about a bunch of dudes drinking beer on an island.

Certainly not as much as men give about a bunch of women doing yoga on an island.

Ah stop now, you most definitely would have as many females knocking up a storm. Don't try to make out only a handful of women compared to a large dearth of men engage in this gender stuff.

Now tho, saying that. I believe 99% of men and women living in the real world don't take this gender wars **** seriously or in fact whatever odd "cause" is the current in thing

As I have pointed out before it's the likes of social media that cause this stuff. You get every oddball from here to kingdom come who most people would never encounter in real life.

However online the likes of Twitter is the annual oddball AGM so the amount of noise made gets picked up on and the mainstream media make out its representative of whichever gender. Despite the fact I'd wager they represent a tiny percentage of their gender/nation whatever the topic flavour is

The problem is too business and various government groups etc end up listening and giving in to what ever whim often too, not always mind you, but it happens.

I think a lot of the problem is the ages of a lot of the political and business establishments say the real large corporations. Take a look at the dail or Westminster for example how many over 40 or 50 compared to under? Do they understand said groups are vocal minority's or do they mistake it as the majority opinion of a voter base?

Jurgen Klopp

bear1 wrote: »

Again, the thread wasn't started to chant anger towards them but to highlight the hypocrisy.
I used an example earlier of when there was a car insurance company set up for women only.
Men couldn't get insured with them.
If a men's only insurance company was set up, a private male only island, what have you, where women could not go then there would be furore.
Still cant underatnd why you are bringing economics into it... business models don't care as long as the cash keeps coming.

Just on that its4women.ie insure both. It's a marketing "sister power girls" gimmick

Their small print and even parts of the flyers say something like male quotes given too

I remember Sheila's Wheels in the UK but I can't remember if they actually rejected men, it wasn't that long ago hardly 15 years I think? Can't imagine they got away with it

DredFX

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Ah stop now, you most definitely would have as many females knocking up a storm.

In the event of a male-only screening of a film or any other event/establishment that's generally supposed to service both sexes, yes, I'd agree there would be a feminist backlash that would reek of double-standards.

An island analogous to this one--full of fellas engaging in high-contact sports, FIFA tournaments, drinking, and other stereotypical lad activities--I don't see a lot of your social-media feminazis getting even half as annoyed about that as most of the users in this thread.

meeeeh

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Oh my, think the mic just been dropped

Because of the lack of logical thinking? You can have only women voting but if candidates are predominantly men, more men will get through.

Anyway no need to get excited about quotas, often they are needed at beginning but then things even out by themselves. Once you offer female candidates they will be voted in in larger numbers as last election demonstrated.

meeeeh

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Just on that its4women.ie insure both. It's a marketing "sister power girls" gimmick

Their small print and even parts of the flyers say something like male quotes given too

I remember Sheila's Wheels in the UK but I can't remember if they actually rejected men, it wasn't that long ago hardly 15 years I think? Can't imagine they got away with it

They were aimed at women because they are statistically less risky to insure. It is similar as health insurances avoiding paying for hip replacement to avoid older people. It's nothing to do with 'girl power' It's simply trying to avoid riskier customers. I think laws around car insurances were actually changed on EU level not to penalise young male drivers in comparison to young female drivers.

Edit: it seems that the rule changes actually affected men negatively because other factors are now taken into account.
https://amp.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/men-still-paying-more-than-women-for-car-insurance-31190889.html