Stakeknife Arrested.

piplip87

The Supergrass was lifted today. A lot of skeletons in his closest. He could possibly have information on senior SF members, Senior British Army/RUC members, if he is charged and goes to court his testimony could be great craic

Fann Linn

A rat.

Rumpy Pumpy

Was he the dude who lead the ‘nutting squad’?

piplip87

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Was he the dude who lead the ‘nutting squad’?

Yeah that's the fella.

pleas advice

Well done

McMurphy

pleas advice wrote: »

Well done

With so much alleged British involvement in his alleged killings, I think your well done sentiments are premature.

But we'll wait and see..

SEPT 23 1989

Timing is everything

Beechwoodspark

Wonder what a certain G Adams makes of it all

piplip87

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

With so much alleged British involvement in his alleged killings, I think your well done sentiments are premature.

But we'll wait and see..

Yes he would have information on what the British knew about IRA bombings before they happened but it does not excuse the scumbags who planted said bombs.

Will he out Adams as a fellow informer I wonder

Junkyard Tom

piplip87 wrote: »

The Supergrass was lifted today.

He's not a supergrass yet and they probably won't want him to be because his handlers were essentially accessories to murder.

Serial killer, and supergrass, Gary Haggerty actually complained about the lack of prosecutions of his own handlers in RUC Special Branch.

The British/RUC will never admit that they were up to their necks in blood, along with their informers, most of which happened to be that of innocent Catholic people.

McMurphy

piplip87 wrote: »

Yes he would have information on what the British knew about IRA bombings before they happened but it does not excuse the scumbags who planted said bombs.

I never said it excused anyone from anything, I'm just pointing out that I'm highly sceptical that anything will ever come of this, if any of the insinuation and rumours surrounding him are true - because if it implicated high ranking/senior British officials - it is hardly within the interests of the British for the blood.on their hands to be exposed?

Will he out Adams as a fellow informer I wonder

I don't believe he will, because I reckon the Brits would have already outed him had he of been a rat, Lord knows they spent long enough periods of time and money keeping him under surveillance, trying to pin something on him.

Purely my opinion obviously.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

Does anyone on boards have a fish knife in their cutlery drawer?

They're a fairly scarce utensil, but essential for flatfish.

everlast75

His real name is Angus and he has had his fillet of being the rump of the stories. I say well done to him - his type is rare. I believe he is spilling the gossip and his award will be a knighthood- he will be known as Sir Loin. If any of his grizzle-y stories are found to be false they will strip Loin from him.

riffmongous

There are a hell of a lot of skeletons in that closet, I would be very surprised if anything will come of this considering all the potential dirty dealings this would open up.

dd972

I don't think he lives up North anymore but he'd certainly deserve long, slow, painful retribution from his own community, uberscum.

StupidLikeAFox

everlast75 wrote: »

His real name is Angus and he has had his fillet of being the rump of the stories. I say well done to him - his type is rare. I believe he is spilling the gossip and his award will be a knighthood- he will be known as Sir Loin. If any of his grizzle-y stories are found to be false they will strip Loin from him.

Hahaha.......burgers

pleas advice

everlast75 wrote: »

His real name is Angus and he has had his fillet of being the rump of the stories. I say well done to him - his type is rare. I believe he is spilling the gossip and his award will be a knighthood- he will be known as Sir Loin. If any of his grizzle-y stories are found to be false they will strip Loin from him.

Sauce?

endacl

everlast75 wrote: »

His real name is Angus and he has had his fillet of being the rump of the stories. I say well done to him - his type is rare. I believe he is spilling the gossip and his award will be a knighthood- he will be known as Sir Loin. If any of his grizzle-y stories are found to be false they will strip Loin from him.

F’ksake. You could have left a few for the rest of us...

FrancieBrady

I always said they would probably go after Adams as soon as he retired. I'd imagine this is the first shots across the bow.
Just what is needed in northern Ireland now.

More or less let an informer away with killing and then use an informer to go after a political leader you hadn't the courage to go after when he was in office.

The British government were never big on courage or trust, hopefully this one doesn't backfire on them.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

He's not a supergrass yet and they probably won't want him to be because his handlers were essentially accessories to murder.

Serial killer, and supergrass, Gary Haggerty actually complained about the lack of prosecutions of his own handlers in RUC Special Branch.

The British/RUC will never admit that they were up to their necks in blood, along with their informers, most of which happened to be that of innocent Catholic people.

aah, the old "we built the bombs, planted them and set them off, but it's the fault of the Brits for letting us get away with it" excuse.

McMurphy

Aegir wrote: »

aah, the old "we built the bombs, planted them and set them off, but it's the fault of the Brits for letting us get away with it" excuse.

I think you spectaculary misread the sentiments expressed in the post.

This bit was rather clear.

The British/RUC will never admit that they were up to their necks in blood, along with their informers, most of which happened to be that of innocent Catholic people.

FrancieBrady

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I think you spectaculary misread the sentiments expressed in the post.

This bit was rather clear.

The British could not have run their 'acquisitions' without the aid of a quotient of the natives. That has never changed.

That 'aid' comes in the guise of native informers and those willing to look the other way in return for 'blessings'.

It has never really changed on this island.

Johnny Dogs

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I think you spectaculary misread the sentiments expressed in the post.

I didn't miss anything.

anyone else find it ironic that an IRA mole is named after an instrument for sharpening fence posts?

not that the IRA have ever murdered anyone with a fence post of course, a good republican would never do that :rolleyes:

McMurphy

Aegir wrote: »

I didn't miss anything.

anyone else find it ironic that an IRA mole is named after an instrument for sharpening fence posts?

not that the IRA have ever murdered anyone with a fence post of course, a good republican would never do that :rolleyes:

Let me know what part of anything more coming of this being highly unlikely - due to the British being up to their necks in it too (allegedly) you're not getting, and we can run through it together.

No one is denying horrible unforgivable murders took place - it's just some of us have the wit to realise their was more than one side involved in them.

Alleged republican double agent - allegedly up to his neck in murders with full knowledge of- and assisted by his handlers.

Which is why I (and others) don't think this is anything more than window dressing.

I'll gladly stand corrected if anything more comes of this but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Johnny Dogs

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Let me know what part of anything more coming of this being highly unlikely - due to the British being up to their necks in it too (allegedly) you're not getting, and we can run through it together.

No one is denying horrible unforgivable murders took place - it's just some of us have the wit to realise their was more than one side involved in them.

Alleged republican double agent - allegedly up to his neck in murders with full knowledge of- and assisted by his handlers.

Which is why I (and others) don't think this is anything more than window dressing.

I'll gladly stand corrected if anything more comes of this but I wouldn't hold my breath.

pure and simple deflection, that's all it is.

bonzodog2

I'd always assumed it was Steak-knife until I saw it in print for the first time only a few months ago

McMurphy

Aegir wrote: »

pure and simple deflection, that's all it is.

What part is deflection

Alleged republican double agent is arrested / many believe nothing further will come of it because of the alleged handlers involvement by passing info and assistance in alleged activities?

I have stated my beliefs quite clearly and posted them here to back up what led me to post them.
You on the other hand make one liners.

All arse no trousers?

Johnny Dogs

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

All arse no trousers?

ooh, a hard man :eek:

the shinners are annoyed, so the first reaction is to try and deflect a bit of blame. We even have poor wee Gerry being brought in to it. now because Saint Gerry may have a bit of mud thrown at him.

same old same old.

Foxhound38

Even if he does say something, SF will deny it and claim trickery by the British establishment and their supporters will lap up every word of it despite any amount of facts.

When they talk of so-called "post-truth" society, they should credit SF as the inventors of it.

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

ooh, a hard man :eek:

the shinners are annoyed, so the first reaction is to try and deflect a bit of blame. We even have poor wee Gerry being brought in to it. now because Saint Gerry may have a bit of mud thrown at him.

same old same old.

Fairly typical that you don't like hearing about the context.

McMurphy

Aegir wrote: »

ooh, a hard man :eek:

the shinners are annoyed, so the first reaction is to try and deflect a bit of blame. We even have poor wee Gerry being brought in to it. now because Saint Gerry may have a bit of mud thrown at him.

same old same old.

I'm a hard man for asking you to at least try and put some substance behind your one liners now is that it?

Posting one liners with absolutely no substance or rationale to bolster them is one step away from posting something such as 'I know you are but what am I' and 'my daddy is stronger than your daddy' imo.

No one (certainly not me) was attempting to excuse or disregard anything SK is alleged to have done btw.

I stated that it's my belief nothing more will come of it (and stated why I believed it)

You however posted one liners.

As I said - all arse no trousers.

Johnny Dogs

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I'm a hard man for asking you to at least try and put some substance behind your one liners now is that it?

Posting one liners with absolutely no substance or rationale to bolster them is one step away from posting something such as 'I know you are but what am I' and 'my daddy is stronger than your daddy' imo.

No one (certainly not me) was attempting to excuse or disregard anything SK is alleged to have done btw.

I stated that it's my belief nothing more will come of it (and stated why I believed it)

You however posted one liners.

As I said - all arse no trousers.

here

you

go

Three lines.

As I said, the shinners are just using the old deflection tactics. it's what they do. The PIRA were perfect, Sinn Fein are perfect.

everyone knows there were multiple players, everyone except the shinners that is, because they are of the firm opinion the PIRA were a bunch of angels and did nothing wrong.

oh, that's nine

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

here

you

go

Three lines.

As I said, the shinners are just using the old deflection tactics. it's what they do. The PIRA were perfect, Sinn Fein are perfect.

everyone knows there were multiple players, everyone except the shinners that is, because they are of the firm opinion the PIRA were a bunch of angels and did nothing wrong.

oh, that's nine

Oh dear, someone is getting a bit desperate.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh dear, someone is getting a bit desperate.

Bravo sir.

I wonder will you be accused of being all arse no trousers :rolleyes:

McMurphy

Aegir wrote: »

here

you

go

Three lines.

As I said, the shinners are just using the old deflection tactics. it's what they do. The PIRA were perfect, Sinn Fein are perfect.

everyone knows there were multiple players, everyone except the shinners that is, because they are of the firm opinion the PIRA were a bunch of angels and did nothing wrong.

oh, that's nine

Oh dear. I never claimed any one were angels, or did nothing wrong.

Johnny Dogs wrote:

No one is denying horrible unforgivable murders took place - it's just some of us have the wit to realise their was more than one side involved in them.

I stated why I thought no more would come of this.

You seem to be reading only what you want to read.

This auld debating/comprehensive reading doesn't seem to be a very strong attribute of yours.

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

Bravo sir.

I wonder will you be accused of being all arse no trousers :rolleyes:

I already made a point. Maybe you would have seen that had you not gotten out of the bed the wrong way.

Johnny Dogs

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Oh dear. I never claimed any one were angels, or did nothing wrong.

oh you wait, someone will.

Francie will be defending the indefensible sooner or later, just wait and see.

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I stated why I thought no more would come of this.

You seem to be reading only what you want to read.

This auld debating/comprehensive reading doesn't seem to be a very strong attribute of yours.

no, I am responded to a poster (that isn't you) and you, for some reason, chose to intervene.

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

oh you wait, someone will.

Francie will be defending the indefensible sooner or later, just wait and see.

Come on Mr Scurrilous, show me where I called anyone an angel in relation to the conflict/war?
Or 'defended the indefensible'.

Are you capable of a discussion with context or not?

BillyBobBS

I personally don't give a s h I t about the situation in the North. Can't they just leave the past in the past and move on.

FrancieBrady

BillyBobBS wrote: »

I personally don't give a s h I t about the situation in the North. Can't they just leave the past in the past and move on.

they can certainly leave bits of it out and look the other way.

baylah17

FrancieBrady wrote: »

they can certainly leave bits of it out and look the other way.

but only the bits that suit the Shinners:D

FrancieBrady

baylah17 wrote: »

but only the bits that suit the Shinners:D

What bits do they leave out?

What bits have they left out of this story for instance?

McMurphy

Aegir wrote: »

oh you wait, someone will.

Francie will be defending the indefensible sooner or later, just wait and see.




no, I am responded to a poster (that isn't you) and you, for some reason, chose to intervene.

I didn't intervene, I pointed out that you'd misread the sentiments expressed in a post you quoted - your opening post in the thread (and went down hill from there).

The subject is about an alleged double agent. It's not deflection or showing support for either side to state why you believe nothing more will come of it.

dd972

BillyBobBS wrote: »

I personally don't give a s h I t about the situation in the North. Can't they just leave the past in the past and move on.

With respect that's partitionist wishful thinking, these things happened in our country and people on all sides of the situation have to deal with the residue, whether it's murdered family or friends or mental scars. Reunification on a peaceful and agreed basis is a moral imperative.

Foxhound38

dd972 wrote: »

Reunification on a peaceful and agreed basis is a moral imperative.

I don't feel any moral imperative to take on the seemingly intractable problems up there, nor do I think unification (I don't say reunification because Ireland has never been a unified entity except under British rule - we were made up of independent, mostly warring microentities based around clans who occasionally cooperated with each other prior to this) would necessarily solve any problems for them or us (although it would add a few new ones such as "total economic collapse" and "civil war with the loyalists" to the list).

We have a porous border and despite SF/DUP posturing and the odd limited flashpoint things are fairly settled down up there. The "800 years" romantic nationalism argument isn't a good enough reason to fire the apple cart into the sun.

If the shinnerbots could just go ahead and call me a Shauneen West-Brit now, they may get it over with - it's how they usually respond to facts.

FrancieBrady

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I don't feel any moral imperative to take on the seemingly intractable problems up there, nor do I think unification (I don't say reunification because Ireland has never been a unified entity except under British rule - we were made up of independent, mostly warring microentities based around clans who occasionally cooperated with each other prior to this) would necessarily solve any problems for them or us (although it would add a few new ones such as "total economic collapse" and "civil war with the loyalists" to the list).

We have a porous border and despite SF/DUP posturing and the odd limited flashpoint things are fairly settled down up there. The "800 years" romantic nationalism argument isn't a good enough reason to fire the apple cart into the sun.

If the shinnerbots could just go ahead and call me a Shauneen West-Brit now, they may get it over with - it's how they usually respond to facts.

I love the attempt to hide an 'I'm alright Jack' mentality.

Basically any one of us could do the same to 'look the other way' when problems arise in our country. There is little or no homelessness where I live, 'sure why would I be concerned or feel any 'moral imperative' to try or help try and solve it'?

Take any other social issue and do the same, and rather than find a 'Shauneen West-Brit' I think you will find a socially selfish and irresponsible, fairly usless in a community sense' person.
We have plenty of those, you will fit right in.

diomed

The other thread was running out of steam.
Here we go again. :pac:

Odhinn

Aegir wrote: »

here

you

go

Three lines.

As I said, the shinners are just using the old deflection tactics. it's what they do. The PIRA were perfect, Sinn Fein are perfect.

everyone knows there were multiple players, everyone except the shinners that is, because they are of the firm opinion the PIRA were a bunch of angels and did nothing wrong.

oh, that's nine

Are you posting this from some collection of random anti-sf statements?

Odhinn

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I don't feel any moral imperative to take on the seemingly intractable problems up there, nor do I think unification (I don't say reunification because Ireland has never been a unified entity except under British rule - we were made up of independent, mostly warring microentities based around clans who occasionally cooperated with each other prior to this) would necessarily solve any problems for them or us (although it would add a few new ones such as "total economic collapse" and "civil war with the loyalists" to the list)..

Like the Greeks then. Or most of Africa. And the middle east. And a whack of Asia. Jaysus, we're a unique bunch.

Junkyard Tom

Aegir wrote: »

aah, the old "we built the bombs, planted them and set them off, but it's the fault of the Brits for letting us get away with it" excuse.

What are you on about? If you're going to quote me actually respond to what was written in the post rather than waffling on about something else.

brainfreeze

piplip87 wrote: »

The Supergrass was lifted today. A lot of skeletons in his closest. He could possibly have information on senior SF members, Senior British Army/RUC members, if he is charged and goes to court his testimony could be great craic

Not in a UK court. In the world of inteligence and spies the details will be sealed due to "not being in the public interest", like they do with anything scandalous relating to the troubles.

For example, stormontgate. As soon as it went to court the judge ruled "the prosecution for the offences in relation to the accused are no longer in the public interest". This was so they didn't have to admit in court that Denis Donaldson was a spy.

Didn't matter how much evidence the police had about politicians being engaged in a spy ring in the event power sharing failed - the UK Gov ordered the Judge to stop because it wasn't in the "public interest". All that evidence? Throw it in the bin, our secrets our more important etc.

Like this, doesn't matter what the Bedfordshire Police think they have uncovered. If it ever makes it to court the Judge will get a phone call from the state, and nothing will be made public.