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stephen_n

stephen_n wrote: »

People have been believing in such nonsense, since man first evolved from monkey’s [Jaco take note]. Scientology isn’t any more or less bizarre than the other ones really. If anything it’s a bit more honest about it’s money grabbing nature than most religions.

Yup. Can you imagine if the Bible was written last year and out of nowhere two lads showed up at your door, dressed all in black with little white square collars asking for you to eat their saviours flesh and drink his blood for the forgiveness of your sins.

Can you imagine if they wanted to hold an indoctrination ceremony for your children where you sit in a dark room and a stranger who is 'married' to the church hears their sins and then they've to go out and chant until the badness goes away. And these men also wanted to teach your children that the earth was created by a superior being in the sky with magic powers in 6 days.

To make it even better you can join the church (cult) but if female you can never become a 'proper' member or leader within it.

Blind tradition is all that is stopping people from actually considering religion for the collective lunacy that it is. We are so afraid of thinking about death and atrophy that we allow ourselves the fantasy of religion so that we don't have to deal with it.

Which is fine only that it's a prime ingredient in our inability to deal with larger issues or extremely difficult problems. I wonder would climate change still be a problem if we no longer embraced religion for example, because God isn't going to fix jack shít!

cavemeister

cavemeister wrote: »

If a religion makes you a better person, more power to you.

I knew a guy back in the 90's who was an animal - He'd bottle you for just crossing his line of sight. I have heard that he found Islam and it changed his life, now one of the nicest guys you could meet. (I'm told)

He should take personal credit for that because he did it entirely himself. It's like praying when someone survives a complicated surgery, rather than thanking the doctor and asking your representatives to do more for healthcare practitioners in the country.

the baby bull elephant

cavemeister wrote: »

If a religion makes you a better person, more power to you.

I knew a guy back in the 90's who was an animal - He'd bottle you for just crossing his line of sight. I have heard that he found Islam and it changed his life, now one of the nicest guys you could meet. (I'm told)

By a lot of accounts Scientology has not really made Cruise a better person.

awec

Looking to get our new house networked throughout while it's being built, anyone any clue which trade you'd ask to do this? Electrician?

awec

awec wrote: »

Looking to get our new house networked throughout while it's being built, anyone any clue which trade you'd ask to do this? Electrician?

If you are doing a build then an electrician will be coming anyway to wire the property. Get him to put second ports in the rooms where you want them with fibre optic.

Personally I wouldn't bother, get a decent high end multi-band router. A commercial one as opposed to a regular home router, you'll never bother with direct connect.

awec

Deleted User wrote: »

If you are doing a build then an electrician will be coming anyway to wire the property. Get him to put second ports in the rooms where you want them with fibre optic.

Personally I wouldn't bother, get a decent high end multi-band router. A commercial one as opposed to a regular home router, you'll never bother with direct connect.

House is 3 stories so want it wired throughout with cat6e. And things like game streaming etc just work more reliably.

awec

awec wrote: »

House is 3 stories so want it wired throughout with cat6e. And things like game streaming etc just work more reliably.

I've a high end tri-band linksys which I game, stream and download on. My ping and latency are extremely low and I can stream in HD without any issues.

No reason not to wire the house and I was going to do the same myself, but someone convinced me to try the router option and having tried it I wouldn't bother going back to cable now.

shootermacg

Deleted User wrote: »

Yup. Can you imagine if the Bible was written last year and out of nowhere two lads showed up at your door, dressed all in black with little white square collars asking for you to eat their saviours flesh and drink his blood for the forgiveness of your sins.

Can you imagine if they wanted to hold an indoctrination ceremony for your children where you sit in a dark room and a stranger who is 'married' to the church hears their sins and then they've to go out and chant until the badness goes away. And these men also wanted to teach your children that the earth was created by a superior being in the sky with magic powers in 6 days.

To make it even better you can join the church (cult) but if female you can never become a 'proper' member or leader within it.

Blind tradition is all that is stopping people from actually considering religion for the collective lunacy that it is. We are so afraid of thinking about death and atrophy that we allow ourselves the fantasy of religion so that we don't have to deal with it.

Which is fine only that it's a prime ingredient in our inability to deal with larger issues or extremely difficult problems. I wonder would climate change still be a problem if we no longer embraced religion for example, because God isn't going to fix jack shít!

Just read this and I was thinking. If you accept that some superior intelligence was instrumental in our and everything's creation vs just plain chance or a BIG EXPLOSION (what caused that?).

Then there may be a case for religion. Why? Because if we were just an accident, wouldn't the superior intelligence just clean us up, like cleaning his room? And no! I have not been smoking crack!

This is probably the reason why I hate preachy Atheists as much as preachy Religious nuts (or maybe it's because they're preachy!).

shootermacg

awec wrote: »

Looking to get our new house networked throughout while it's being built, anyone any clue which trade you'd ask to do this? Electrician?

I'd definitely get the network cable all over the house option if I were you. I had the option when rewiring the house, but I didn't take it. The boys use the mains adaptors which aren't bad and the rest use wireless. So we're OK I guess, but nothing beats Ethernet.

prawnsambo

awec wrote: »

House is 3 stories so want it wired throughout with cat6e. And things like game streaming etc just work more reliably.

Yeah. Wire it if you can. It makes everthing a lot easier. Make sure your electrician knows what he's doing, because I've seen some laughably bad wiring done by electricians. If you can get a specialist, get one, because they'll look at where best to wire from and set up your hub.

Also make sure they pull double to each outlet. A standard size wallplate can take two outlets. You can wire your phones through this as well and because of the star topology, you never get attenuation from adding extra telephone handsets.

Also, it's a useful way to expand your wireless because you have a direct wired connection from your router to any other wireless access point you may want to install.

kuang1

awec wrote: »

Looking to get our new house networked throughout while it's being built, anyone any clue which trade you'd ask to do this? Electrician?

I'm gonna start my own build next month sometime hopefully, and I'll be putting in plenty of ethernet points throughout the house.

It's mainly for faster Internet speed reasons (particularly for TV connections) , but then you've got the French (and Russians too) taking measures like this:

https://www.herfamily.ie/news/france-bans-wifi-from-creches-and-schools-to-reduce-childrens-exposure-to-radiation-232064

I know some people were saying we'd all have brain tumours by now when mobile phones became a thing, and this could be more of the same. But in the context of a new build it's a fairly minor additional expense tbf, so I'm going with it.

kuang1

prawnsambo wrote: »

...and because of the star topology, you never get attenuation from adding extra telephone handsets...

Fuzzy wuzzy was a woman???

Buer

awec wrote: »

Looking to get our new house networked throughout while it's being built, anyone any clue which trade you'd ask to do this? Electrician?

Yes. Do your research and put in the right number of ports. I probably went overkill in one or two locations but now wish I had just a single port in some other places.

Think about where you want the cables pulled back to for a hub and try to make sure it's a discreet but easily accessible if you want to put in a router/switch etc.

I do tend to think Venjur is right though. In the short term future, wireless capabilities will continue to improve, cabled approaches will be a thing of the past and we'll be stuck with these obsolete ports everywhere.

awec

I'm planning on putting at least 1 port in every bedroom, and the living room and kitchen.

Haven't decided where I want the router to be, but it'll probably be behind the TV in the living room.


Does anyone have any rough idea of costs? I'm talking 4 bedrooms + 1 or 2 other rooms, I just need them to do the cabling and fit the faceplates, I can supply all the switches and routers myself. Are we talking low hundreds, high hundreds or more here?

shootermacg

awec wrote: »

I'm planning on putting at least 1 port in every bedroom, and the living room and kitchen.

Haven't decided where I want the router to be, but it'll probably be behind the TV in the living room.


Does anyone have any rough idea of costs? I'm talking 4 bedrooms + 1 or 2 other rooms, I just need them to do the cabling and fit the faceplates, I can supply all the switches and routers myself. Are we talking low hundreds, high hundreds or more here?

No idea, but it would have to depend on the build. If you're using stud walls etc, it'll be cheaper than if they have to chase blocks or concrete. So it will probably be on a room by room basis.

Buer

awec wrote: »

I'm planning on putting at least 1 port in every bedroom, and the living room and kitchen.

Haven't decided where I want the router to be, but it'll probably be behind the TV in the living room.


Does anyone have any rough idea of costs? I'm talking 4 bedrooms + 1 or 2 other rooms, I just need them to do the cabling and fit the faceplates, I can supply all the switches and routers myself. Are we talking low hundreds, high hundreds or more here?

Is it a new build? Or will the electrician need to pull cables through the walls and house with the walls closed up? That is going to impact on how awkward the job is and how long it takes.

You can easily price data points and a reels of Cat6e online. The labour is what is going to cost you. I'd imagine you could get it done for mid hundreds, possibly a little higher.

EDIT: I assume this is going through battens, joists and plasterboard as opposed to having to drill through any concrete.

awec

It's a new build. I assume the walls are stud walls as that is the standard these days.

I'll be getting it done while the house is being built, presumably the electrician could do it the same time he is wiring the electrics.

Mid hundreds is grand.

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

It's a new build. I assume the walls are stud walls as that is the standard these days.

I'll be getting it done while the house is being built, presumably the electrician could do it the same time he is wiring the electrics.

Mid hundreds is grand.

Word of advice, be as specific as possible with the electrician as early as possible. There are 2 on site and 1 is a total pain in the ass. The other is great. Unfortunately we got the former. Make sure to tell them not to do anything different without checking with you first as well. We arrived to the house last year with our living room wired differently to how we specified because there were issues with where we requested ports and sockets to go. Instead of calling to discuss it with us he just went ahead and did it differently.

thomond2006

Today I learned what a Cat6e is.

Squidgy Black

awec wrote: »

It's a new build. I assume the walls are stud walls as that is the standard these days.

I'll be getting it done while the house is being built, presumably the electrician could do it the same time he is wiring the electrics.

Mid hundreds is grand.

You won't want to run them alongside electrical wiring just an FYI.

But yeah it's an easy enough job to snake them through while the house is being built and before the walls are closed in etc.

pickarooney

Four bedroom, three storey house in Dublin - would you get that for under a million?

mfceiling

pickarooney wrote: »

Four bedroom, three storey house in Dublin - would you get that for under a million?

Yep...one sold in my estate for something like 750 or 850k. Another couple are putting theirs on the market soon.

Edit...it's on

https://m.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/25-college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/4184341

mfceiling

awec wrote: »

It's a new build. I assume the walls are stud walls as that is the standard these days.

I'll be getting it done while the house is being built, presumably the electrician could do it the same time he is wiring the electrics.

Mid hundreds is grand.

If you're stuck for a spark remind me and I'll get you a number next week for a lad based down your way.

stephen_n

mfceiling wrote: »

Yep...one sold in my estate for something like 750 or 850k. Another couple are putting theirs on the market soon.

Edit...it's on

https://m.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/25-college-square-terenure-dublin-6w/4184341

Would have thought that would be a steal in Terenure.

mfceiling

stephen_n wrote: »

Would have thought that would be a steal in Terenure.

Yeah I wouldn't really know. We bought about 4 years and got ours for a steal (had to finish the inside ourselves which suited us perfectly!!).

stephen_n

mfceiling wrote: »

Yeah I wouldn't really know. We bought about 4 years and got ours for a steal (had to finish the inside ourselves which suited us perfectly!!).

Friend of mine bought an old 3 story house, in one of those nice squares in Terenure at the height of the boom around 2007 for 1.3 million. Maybe the prices haven’t quite got back to Celtic Tiger levels yet.

Squidgy Black

I think the market for higher end isn't back to Celtic Tiger yet, mainly because the banks aren't lending at the rates they were.

It's mostly houses that would have been 250-300k that are now 400k and up, the more 'mid' level range that are sitting at their highest value in over a decade

prawnsambo

awec wrote: »

It's a new build. I assume the walls are stud walls as that is the standard these days.

I'll be getting it done while the house is being built, presumably the electrician could do it the same time he is wiring the electrics.

Mid hundreds is grand.

Cat 6e is cheap. About €45 for a box which is 300 metres. So don't skimp on it. Pull two to every location. Also when siting your hub, thiink in terms of having your router in the same place. This is vitally important. Nothing worse than having your router in a remote location and having to patch it back to your comms cabinet and finding you don't have enough sockets to do that. So plan it carefully. And then plan it again.


Think of every device you may want to wire in and double it.

awec

Another footballing non-event today.

Dubs playing in first gear and strolling.

thomond2006

This is a procession and it's reflected by the attendance.