Off Topic Thread 4.0

sydthebeat

^ lefty liberal bleeding heart !!

molloyjh

Let’s not forget there’s a baby involved here too. About the only things they’ve actually succeeded in doing here is creating 1 more terrorist and giving extremists more ammunition to use against them. They had an opportunity to take the high ground. Use the rule of law to allow the girl to come back to the UK, be punished for her crimes and attempt to re-educate/reintegrate her (and keep a very close eye on her). But most importantly they had an opportunity to prevent another child being born into that environment. An opportunity to save someone. And an opportunity to show the world that they aren’t the monsters they are made out to be.

The whole thing is wrong on every level other than the short term populism BS. And in fairness the message they are sending with this matches the messages they’ve been consistently sending the last few years. The lack of real leadership in the UK at the moment is stunning.

troyzer

Lads, we can't allow this.

We're all on the internet and seem to agree on the bleeding lefty side of the issue. This isn't right.

Think I'll dip into 4chan for a bit.

Squidgy Black

The strangest thing about the decision is that the security minister and the secretary of justice both came out and said she had a right to return to the UK, and she couldn't be made stateless.

And the home office are refusing to comment on their decision to revoke her citizenship.

The UK is in such a weird place in general at the moment.

CatFromHue

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There are a LOT of people that would have gladly seen that child sent to China and I was taken aback by how vitriolic people were towards the situation. You wouldn't hear the same rhetoric directed towards the undocumented Irish from anyone here.

To play Devil's Advocate, as we're all getting on so well, that was an interesting case.

It was the Mam, I don't know the Father situation, who was being deported and as he was her dependent he would be too. It wasn't the case that he was being sent off by himself, though it did sound like that from what you read.

As the Mam was not an Irish citizen it's safe to assume she was Chinese and as he was her son would be entitled to Chinese citizen citizenship and not being the person of no country you would be led to believe he would from what you read. I assume this so could be wrong.

It's easy to see why it would have gotten some people's back up as we voted, whether you agree with it now or not, directly for this to happen. We didn't vote ages ago for it either, only 14 years.

Then you had so many TDs and talking heads saying we should break the law and even Matt Cooper's The Last Word officially backed the kid too with any dissent deemed racist. Even though it's directly what is the law.

Michael McDowell was on Newstalk Breakfast to discuss why the referendum was held in the first place and fairly handed Kieran Cuddihy's arse to him with what was happening at the time regarding, this isn't a nice phrase but it is the one used, anchor babies.

Dave_The_Sheep

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The strangest thing about the decision is that the security minister and the secretary of justice both came out and said she had a right to return to the UK, and she couldn't be made stateless.

And the home office are refusing to comment on their decision to revoke her citizenship.

The UK is in such a weird place in general at the moment.

It's the Home Office, they're a law unto themselves. Politics trumps actual laws there.

CatFromHue

CatFromHue wrote: »

To play Devil's Advocate, as we're all getting on so well, that was an interesting case.

It was the Mam, I don't know the Father situation, who was being deported and as he was her dependent he would be too. It wasn't the case that he was being sent off by himself, though it did sound like that from what you read.

As the Mam was not an Irish citizen it's safe to assume she was Chinese and as he was her son would be entitled to Chinese citizen citizenship and not being the person of no country you would be led to believe he would from what you read. I assume this so could be wrong.

It's easy to see why it would have gotten some people's back up as we voted, whether you agree with it now or not, directly for this to happen. We didn't vote ages ago for it either, only 14 years.

Then you had so many TDs and talking heads saying we should break the law and even Matt Cooper's The Last Word officially backed the kid too with any dissent deemed racist. Even though it's directly what is the law.

Michael McDowell was on Newstalk Breakfast to discuss why the referendum was held in the first place and fairly handed Kieran Cuddihy's arse to him with what was happening at the time regarding, this isn't a nice phrase but it is the one used, anchor babies.

If I recall correctly I think the number of children born to non EU nationals actually went up after that referendum not down.

Whilst there was obviously people taking advantage of the practice - I'm willing to bet it was also quite overblown similar to the 'Crisis' at the US southern border.

Either way - the referendum aside, that kid is Irish and I challenge anyone to convince me otherwise. He didn't do anything other than be born and sending him to China is an extreme punishment for someone that is entirely innocent in the circumstances.

If that means the mother has to stay here then so be it - but we need to amend the law to facilitate these kinds of situations. It's hard to stay off the grid for any length of time and also legitimately prove you've been in the country or were born here. We can legislate for the outliers - it will almost always turn out to be cases like this or the kid in Sligo.

Dave_The_Sheep

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

It's the Home Office, they're a law unto themselves. Politics trumps actual laws there.

It's red meat for the Tories new UKIP base.

Neil3030

The story of that young woman reminds of a time I got on a train and it left 3 or 4 minutes early. At first you think, 'happy days', this suits me great. But then I thought wait, what if I was only 2 minutes early today? Or just on time? Instability and unpredictability within a political system will favour you until it f**ks you.

Yeah_Right

troyzer wrote: »

Lads, we can't allow this.

We're all on the internet and seem to agree on the bleeding lefty side of the issue. This isn't right.

Think I'll dip into 4chan for a bit.

I'll fix that for you. She committed treason. Firing squad is the only solution. ðŸ˜

CatFromHue

Deleted User wrote: »

If I recall correctly I think the number of children born to non EU nationals actually went up after that referendum not down.

Whilst there was obviously people taking advantage of the practice - I'm willing to bet it was also quite overblown similar to the 'Crisis' at the US southern border.

Either way - the referendum aside, that kid is Irish and I challenge anyone to convince me otherwise. He didn't do anything other than be born and sending him to China is an extreme punishment for someone that is entirely innocent in the circumstances.

If that means the mother has to stay here then so be it - but we need to amend the law to facilitate these kinds of situations. It's hard to stay off the grid for any length of time and also legitimately prove you've been in the country or were born here. We can legislate for the outliers - it will almost always turn out to be cases like this or the kid in Sligo.

Well legally he isn't.

As far as I know the laws we have in place are standard in the rest of Europe too. If we were to run the referendum again I'm not sure if the result would change, it might end up closer but I'm not sure if it would change.

Why is sending someone to China an extreme punishment? I know people who've moved there and seem quite happy.

CatFromHue

CatFromHue wrote: »

Well legally he isn't.

As far as I know the laws we have in place are standard in the rest of Europe too. If we were to run the referendum again I'm not sure if the result would change, it might end up closer but I'm not sure if it would change.

Why is sending someone to China an extreme punishment? I know people who've moved there and seem quite happy.

I doubt the referendum result would change, but I'm talking about instances that happen in the grey areas of life and how they are dealt with.

And if you took my child who doesn't speak chinese or have friends in china, out of his school in Ireland and put him on a plane never to come back - that would be a massive and life changing event for a child and if against his will it absolutely is a punishment. The kid in Bray has been here since he was born and would be indistinguishable from any other Irish kid bar he will look of Asian decent.

He has an Irish accent and knows far more about Irish history than Chinese. It would be an extremely cruel punishment to apply to him for something his mam did.

The best example is one I saw online. Drink driving is worse than what that Chinese mother did - but would anyone on here think it's reasonable for the child of a drink driver to be deported to relatives in abroad?

Yes we have immigration laws - but if they are going to be inherently cruel and in particular to a child who has done nothing wrong then we need to have room to manoeuvre within those rules.

dregin

Wheeling out a PD, regardless of his legal background, for comment on a social issue is laughable.

awec

If any of you won that 175 million remember your lovely moderators who have long protected you from trolls and spammers.

mfceiling

awec wrote: »

If any of you won that 175 million remember your lovely moderators who have long protected you from trolls and spammers.

My mate texted me at 6 this morning to say he wouldn't be in today because something came up...I'm wondering if it was 7 numbers?

DGRulz

We have a syndicate in work, got very excited when I saw it was won in Ireland, checked multiple tickets, sadly not us.

awec

If I won it the secession of Ulster Rugby from its tyrannical oppressors would be pretty high on my agenda of philanthropy.

awec

awec wrote: »

If I won it the secession of Ulster Rugby from its tyrannical oppressors would be pretty high on my agenda of philanthropy.

Ulster rugby CEO Awec in 5 years time:

"Millner-Skudder is no longer welcome in Belfast - someone replaced him on the plane with an imposter, he is released from his contract, ULSTER SAYS NO".

Zzippy

awec wrote: »

If I won it the secession of Ulster Rugby from its tyrannical oppressors would be pretty high on my agenda of philanthropy.

If I won it my corporate box on the halfway line in the new Sportsground would have a Guinness tap made of solid gold...

thomond2006

Zzippy wrote: »

If I won it my corporate box on the halfway line in Ravenhill would have a Harp tap made of solid gold...

I have aweced your post.

mfceiling

Sadly my mate is sick.

awec

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ulster rugby CEO Awec in 5 years time:

"Millner-Skudder is no longer welcome in Belfast - someone replaced him on the plane with an imposter, he is released from his contract, ULSTER SAYS NO".

After we’d just won our fourth Heineken cup in a row.

BBDBB

awec wrote: »

After we’d just won our fourth Heineken cup in a row.

The odds on winning the lottery would be better than 4 Heineken cups for Ulster :pac:

thomond2006

C'mon Buer. Where the hell are you?!

Buer

Lower Abbey Street. Have to go to a meeting at short notice.

Rigor Mortis

awec wrote: »

After we’d just won our fourth Heineken cup in a row.

Will Heineken be sponsoring the Challenge Cup in your future nirvana

awec

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Will Heineken be sponsoring the Challenge Cup in your future nirvana

We’ll win all round us when we no longer have the chains of Dublin 4 coiled tightly around us, holding us back.

b.gud

Sometime in the not too distant future a man and his son are walking down Mount Merrion Ave. The son spots an unusually scrawny disheveled looking man pacing back and forth muttering to himself.

Son: "Daddy what's wrong with that man?"
Father: "He won €175 million on the lottery"
Son: "But that's a good thing"
Father: "Not for him son, you see he decided to take over Ulster rugby and remove it from IRFU control so he could sign whatever players he wanted"
Son: "Cool I bet Ulster won loads of trophies"
Father: "No I'm afraid not, you see his first move was to sign Ruan Pienaar on a 20 year contract just to stick it to the IRFU. Then he signed one big name player after another who were just interested in a big paycheck"
Son: "Wow a team of big name players must have done well and attracted huge crowds"
Father: "Again no. You see in order to pay for all those players he need big sponsorship deals and his main ones were for Harp, potato farls and Darren Caves donuts so all the players ended up wildly out of shape"
As they drew closer to the man the mumbling became clearer.

disheveled man: ".... It's all the IRFUs fault. It's all the IRFUs fault...."

Son: "Dad what's that brown stain on his shirt?"
Father: "Come on son lets cross the street"

Rigor Mortis

awec wrote: »

We’ll win all round us when we no longer have the chains of Dublin 4 coiled tightly around us, holding us back.

Ulstrexit

350m extra per year to spend on south african scrum halves and free harp for all.

Neil3030

so a quick show of hands - ireland switching to left hand drive, yay or nay?