Star Trek Discovery 1x13 – "What's Past Is Prologue" [** SPOILERS **]

spookwoman

Things are going to get very interesting.
Excellent episode with some good twists.

OldMrBrennan83

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Tristram

Another great episode. Continues to surprise.

FutureGuy

Running out of superlatives.

OldMrBrennan83

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hal9550

Yes the best episode yet - its hard to give it a 10/10 because better may yet come but given what has preceded this, 10/10

Questions - and in line with last weeks posts on spoiler tagging - SPOILERS AHEAD

Lorca
Im sorry to see him gone tbh.. but where is our Lorca? Killed? Transferred to the mirror universe?

I have visions of returning to Mirror Universe and finding that he is in charge and trying to make it fairer or something. but its unlikely i guess

Im REALLY sorry to see the actor go, if that is in fact what has happened

The USS Defiant
Sadly we probably wont get to see it, but still curious as to the ramifications of foreknowledge of what will happen in 'the tholian web'

ISS Discovery
I think we are likely to hear what has happened to this imperial vessel, and Captain Killy

The Spore Network
Safe to say we now Know why its not in use in the TOS/TNG eras. Even the damage to Stamets aside, its easy to see what happens. Too Risky, etc..

and finally, one thing i noticed. interested to see if anyone else noticed

Mirror Lorca's diatribe about the Federation being a 'Sociological Experiment', or words to that effect.. doesnt that echo what the Vulcan Separatists said about the Federation in the Prime Universe? possible connection?

Evade

I'm glad we got a real sense of the scale of the Charon, it's huge.

I'm not sure what Burnham was thinking rescuing the Empress, letting a crazed megalomaniac loose on your universe seems like a bad idea.

Was that a TIE fighter sound effect as Lorca was falling into the mycelial star?

Technically the speculation of the Discovery ending up in a post fall of the Federation time was right. So is Daniels is going to show up to fix things? Or maybe Jonathon Archer will show up to put right what once went wrong? Or more likely at some point during their childhood Burnham will have seen Spocks notes on how to time travel using a star and use that to fix everything. The only other thing they'll need for that plan to work is for Jason Isaacs to have played a time traveler in a previous film.

hal9550 wrote: »

Lorca Im sorry to see him gone tbh.. but where is our Lorca? Killed? Transferred to the mirror universe?

It looked like Lorca crossed over the same way Kirk and company did in Mirror Mirror so he was probably on the ISS Buran when it was attacked

hal9550 wrote: »

The Spore Network
Safe to say we now Know why its not in use in the TOS/TNG eras. Even the damage to Stamets aside, its easy to see what happens. Too Risky, etc..

The idea that destroying the mycelial network destroys all life in all of the multiverse is stupid. Someone, somewhere, somewhen would have done it already.

hal9550 wrote: »

The USS Defiant
Sadly we probably wont get to see it, but still curious as to the ramifications of foreknowledge of what will happen in 'the tholian web'

Predestination paradox. Starfleet might have to let it happen in order to not mess with the timeline.

hal9550 wrote: »

ISS Discovery
I think we are likely to hear what has happened to this imperial vessel, and Captain Killy

Captain Killy probably saw there were aliens to fight and had a great time. Speaking of which are we on once in a lifetime uniter of the Klingon Empire number three in the last year? I thought they were supposed to fall apart without a strong leader but they managed to defeat the Federation in nine months.

ezra_

I liked it, however, it did feel a bit rushed compared to the last couple of episodes.

Does anyone else get the sense that the first two episodes and the mirror episodes were written / produced by the same team? They really work and when you look back at the other, non mirror arc episodes, it is like a different, inferior show.

I loved the Tie Fighter nod!

Evade

Did anyone else catch the picture of Earth on the Imperial badges is mirrored for some reason even though none of the other mirror universe depictions of Earth are?

corkie

Star Trek: Discovery episode 13 review: 'What's Past Is Prologue' shows off Mirror-verse Lorca in his element
This is the USS Discovery's story, but Lorca steals the show.

Very enjoyable episode.

Good setup for a 2 Part season finale or will we get some cliffhanger for season 2.

Also do we need some sort of retcon, why it is never mentioned that klingons nearly won the war? As far as I can remember. Or as Evade stated some sort of time travel to put things right.



Edit: - If you haven't had enough of parallel dimension, why not checkout Counterpart | IMDb link.

Spear

ezra_ wrote: »

I liked it, however, it did feel a bit rushed compared to the last couple of episodes.

Does anyone else get the sense that the first two episodes and the mirror episodes were written / produced by the same team? They really work and when you look back at the other, non mirror arc episodes, it is like a different, inferior show.

I loved the Tie Fighter nod!

It took a while, but it's pretty clear now that the entire show was all planned in advance as a single cohesive arc, which is a major departure from the prior episodic shows. I think it's the better for it too. The episodes that didn't play a major part in the overall arc played their part by helping to disguise it.

Though this then means that the single spore floating onto Tilly will have significance down the line.

Though my original prediction of Jason Isaacs only being signed on for a single season is now proven correct, though not quite for the reason I thought.

I also note that primeLandry was always primeLandry and just a good little stormtrooper.

Slydice

It was good. Didn't feel as good as last weeks.

I'm guessing we're gonna see some more time travel or universe jumping ahead.

PhiloCypher

Conflicted feelings on this one, while the Mirror Lorca reveal lent the first 12 episodes an extra layer of rewatchability, it also drained what had been a pretty interesting character of any depth. Turning what had seemed to be a deeply damaged(by the loss of the Buran) but tactically brilliant captain into a fairly one note villain once he returned to his own universe. If Lorca is indeed dead (im not convinced despite his fate in this ep and Isaac's own words,he's lied before) then we've also lost one of the shows strongest actors.

On the flipside Saru and the rest of the crew really come into their own in this episode with multiple bridge crew getting 'actual' lines :eek:, so there looks to be life and even complete sentences after Lorca. Hopefully this new status quo holds and Saru becomes treks first alien captain for the duration of the show(yes I know we've seen alien captains before, but not on the ship the show is based on), after some growing pains in the ep 'Choose your pain' where he stepped in after Lorca was captured, he's really grown into the role and deserves to keep it. My hope is that with the Mirror stuff out of the way and hopefully the open conflict with the Klingons resolved in the next 2 episodes, the show can slow down and do some good old fashioned exploring (at warp velocities hopefully)

Sidenotes: * What sort of role do the writers have in mind for Emperor Georgiu in the prime universe. It would be kinda bizarre to rescue her in this episode only to kill her 2 episodes later, but stranger things have happened. Based on the previews of the next ep they are clearly going to tap into her tactical nous to fight the klingons. Maybe her insight into Klingon culture and their territory from her universe will allow her/them to target infrastructure important to their war effort and she'll commandeer a ship and go on a suicide run.

* The previously on this episode also provided another possible nod to Lorca's MU nature(intentional or not) when he tried to assauge Burnhams fears over seeing Georgiu again by saying "She's not your Georgiu" rather then "not ours". Maybe I'm overthinking it but there felt like there was a double meaning there to me.

Evade

PhiloCypher wrote: »

On the flipside Saru and the rest of the crew really come into their own in this episode with multiple bridge crew getting 'actual' lines :eek:

It was a very Star Trek bridge battle scene alright. Something that stood out was Saru calling everyone by name. I hadn't noticed before but Lorca didn't seem to do this.

fxotoole

Great episode, good to see all the story threads come together, although it was a little rushed and should have been split into 2 episodes.

Georgiou will come in handy in the fight against the klingons.

ahh that was brilliant ahhh

hal9550

Yea iv rewatched it twice - really am impressed although saddened by Lorca being gone - i really REALLY hope he is back.. in one form or another .. or another??!!??

pinkypinky

Another stonker. This is fast becoming my favourite Star Trek ever. So many angles. Where's the other Lorca? Tilly & the single spore. What is Burnham thinking taking back Georgiou - could she captain the Discovery instead of Saru?

fritzelly

Spear wrote: »

It took a while, but it's pretty clear now that the entire show was all planned in advance as a single cohesive arc.

It was announced early on that it would be a series arc and not really individual episodes

Was the explanation for Lorca that they swapped during a coincidental teleportation of both of them?

Curious - there seemed to be a lot of shots focusing on Detmer...don't remember her being that much front and center

Someone mentioned there's the reason why the network is not used in any other series - don't see what that is, they can still use it as it's now repairing...but what happened to Tilly at the end...

Owryan

Did I miss something with Tilly at the end?

fritzelly

Owryan wrote: »

Did I miss something with Tilly at the end?

Yes

Evade

Owryan wrote: »

Did I miss something with Tilly at the end?

A luminous green spore landed on her shoulder and dissolved into her uniform. Spores are normally blue so it probably means she'll become the avatar of the mycelial network or something.

OldMrBrennan83

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Owryan

Evade wrote: »

A luminous green spore landed on her shoulder and dissolved into her uniform. Spores are normally blue so it probably means she'll become the avatar of the mycelial network or something.

Cheers, I saw that but made nothing of it. My bad.

Have to say after ds9 this is proving to be my favourite trek

Goodshape

Wow! That was amazing!!

Liiitle bit of clunky exposition and tecnobabble stood out in the first half but everything else was great.

Didn't think Lorca would go out like that. Figured Jason Isaacs was probably a one season actor but thought he'd hang around for the next two episodes at least.

No Ash/Voq in this episode at all. I'm fine with that.

The fighting in the hallway was fantastic. As was the fighting in the thrown room, and the ship-to-ship / bridge action. All really well done.

So, no more Lorca! Captain Saru! Klingons... won the war?!

Honestly not sure where they're going with the Klingons and the different/fractured reality. This could be it now for the rest of the series? It gives them the freedom to be different, lots of war and action, still have a 'traditional' Starfleet ship and crew in the centre of it all.

The_Valeyard

Great episode. Crew really coming together for her 'Maiden Voyage'.

Great ending. Doubt its the end of Lorca, have a feeling.

Really good special effects and finally great to see much more of the Discovery in action. Shes an ugly ship, but its growing on me.

Captain Saru feels right, it even comes across as old Trek.

fxotoole

I’d say the next season will involve the crew of the discovery leading a rebellion against the Klingons. Admiral Cornwell will probably feature heavily as one of the leaders of the resistance. The two Klingons in the brig could be used as leverage/bargaining chips also

The_Valeyard

fxotoole wrote: »

I’d say the next season will involve the crew of the discovery leading a rebellion against the Klingons. Admiral Cornwell will probably feature heavily as one of the leaders of the resistance. The two Klingons in the brig could be used as leverage/bargaining chips also

Im thinking an auld time warp, bring them back to the point they left. Fix the timeline, end of Klingon war with a stalemate and the newly formed Neutral zone, Season two, start fresh with good auld warp drive exploration

Goodshape

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Im thinking an auld time warp, bring them back to the point they left. Fix the timeline, end of Klingon war with a stalemate and the newly formed Neutral zone, Season two, start fresh with good auld warp drive exploration

That's what I had thought might happen when they returned from the MU, although I assumed it would be the last episode in the season.

As it stands, I can't really see them spending just two episodes in this new timeline before undoing it all. That might feel a little pointless.

But if they're stuck here, that's freedom to depart a bit more from canon and have lots of space battles along the way.

Either that or they continue to leap around time and dimensions looking for the way home.


Although I would prefer your ideas tbh.

bogwalrus

I get the feeling since Phillipa is back now they can't get rid of her until end of second season at the earliest. My guess is that she will be part of the plot to fight off Klingon's while they use the micelium to go back in time.

I don't think the writers are planning on rewriting star trek lore. This also makes me think that they might go back in time to when lorca first came to their universe and stop him then. If that happens then I think they would have stopped experimenting on the tardigrade and never have discovered the potential of the micelium network.

corkie

bogwalrus wrote: »

..... If that happens then I think they would have stopped experimenting on the tardigrade and never have discovered the potential of the micelium network.

That would not stop experimentation of the network, as Paul Stamets in both universes where working on it, even without Lorca involved, he just sped things along in the prime.

jasonb

Just reading the comments here, I think the show settling into a ‘Captain Suru and his crew go exploring’ mode in a future season would be a very different show to this season!

Not only noticed the Tie Fighter noise when Lorca was dying, but I think there might have been a Flash Gordon ‘laser’ shout-out when the fired the torpedos at the ‘core’?

I didn’t read into the spore landing on Tilly’s shoulder as anything more than the final spore disappearing into nothing-ness. Am I right in think that the Spore Drive is dead in the water now, at least for the moment, as Discovery’s stock is gone, right?

I also assume that Lorca is dead in both Universes, the Prime one died on the MU ship (Boran or whatever it’s called) as he swapped places with the MU Lorca? And they swapped because it was a transporter/ion cloud incident, like the TOS episode?

And also, do we have any reason to think that the MU Discovery and Captain Killy came over to the Prime Universe? They didn’t have a spore drive (as Stamets worked on the Emperor’s ship) so couldn’t do a jump. So maybe the ISS Discovery had that battle that we saw the remnants of, they flew off, the USS Discovery jumps in, and then they met another ISS ship who assumes they’re the ISS Discovery. So basically both Discoverys were existing in the MU, but the ISS one was off doing its own thing and the USS one came back home before anyone noticed. How long was the USS Discovery in the MU for, a few days, a couple of weeks?

fritzelly

jasonb wrote: »

Am I right in think that the Spore Drive is dead in the water now, at least for the moment, as Discovery’s stock is gone, right?

Not getting that, do they not have lots already stored in the cannisters and it's healing itself?

fxotoole

jasonb wrote: »

Not only noticed the Tie Fighter noise when Lorca was dying, but I think there might have been a Flash Gordon ‘laser’ shout-out when the fired the torpedos at the ‘core’?

That was the sound effect of a torpedo launch from the Star Trek movies of the 80s & 90s, and quite possibly TOS. Not so sure it was an intentional Flash Gordon reference.

LionelNashe

Could anyone give me a 10 word summary or point me to the bit in the episode where Stamets recovered from his coma or whatever he was in? I must have missed it.

duffman13

LionelNashe wrote: »

Could anyone give me a 10 word summary or point me to the bit in the episode where Stamets recovered from his coma or whatever he was in? I must have missed it.

Had a chat with his dead OH who told him to open his eyes.

A little more than 10 words but thats the jist

noodler

I still think it is the poorest acting and cheesiest cast we've seen in a ST show.

Bar the captain and suru.


Can anyone explain to what the captain was fighting the empire for if he feels the Federation is a social experiment and the strong must always rule anyway?

I mean, what was the ideological difference?

More over, how does Burnham judge him the lesser of two evils?

The whole thing is saved by lorca imo. That and the shows scattergun mentality in terms of trek tropes. Something new game changer does seem to pop up every two Eps.

The klingons are awful, the doctor romance was horribly forced and the spore drive universe threads thing was tacky.

AtomicHorror

jasonb wrote: »

And also, do we have any reason to think that the MU Discovery and Captain Killy came over to the Prime Universe?

It is far from certain, but a few things suggest it is possible.

When Kirk and his people crossed over, they swapped places with their counterparts.

Same thing seems to have happened with Lorca, which sadly means the prime Lorca likely died on the ISS Buran.

When Lorca jumped Discovery to the MU, the jump animation was different. Two images of Discovery were visible moving vertically out of frame in opposite directions.

So, maybe.

fritzelly wrote: »

Not getting that, do they not have lots already stored in the cannisters and it's healing itself?

They had to use it all in the escape. Their grow room is dead.

Perhaps they can start again.

fritzelly

LionelNashe wrote: »

Could anyone give me a 10 word summary or point me to the bit in the episode where Stamets recovered from his coma or whatever he was in? I must have missed it.

Wasn't this episode, was last weeks, and it was in the "last time on..."

bogwalrus

corkie wrote: »

That would not stop experimentation of the network, as Paul Stamets in both universes where working on it, even without Lorca involved, he just sped things along in the prime.

The moment time travel comes into the equation all cards are on the table. I don't think the writers can introduce something significant like the micelium network knowing it has never been mentioned in other star treks set in the future. The technology has to be destroyed, forgotten or never discovered to fit in to future events. IMO of course.

_Kaiser_

Watched it tonight but to be honest, my attention kept wavering throughout. After a very good few episodes recently, this one felt more "by the numbers" and I agree with the comments above that having spent half the season building up this mysterious very different type of captain, they then went and undid it all by turning Lorca into a generic one-dimensional bad guy this week.

Ditto Tilly and Stamets.. It felt like their development regressed/reset to earlier in the season. About the only one with any real progression was Saru (who seems to have come to peace with Burnham and recognition of her value).

Overall though it left me cold.. The all too common flashy and frantic action in badly lit environments does nothing for me to be honest and this is where my attention wavered most.

It really felt to me that the writing and plot took a huge shift this week vs what came before in this MU arc, and it wasn't for the better.

corkie

fritzelly wrote: »

Not getting that, do they not have lots already stored in the cannisters and it's healing itself?

They used up the reserves to blow up the ISS Charon Palace spore thing. And for the trip back home.

"Captain's log, stardate 1834.2. Acting Captain Saru recording. We are en route to the Terran flagship, having been summoned by Specialist Burnham. Discovery's spore drive is operational again, thanks to the full recovery of our navigator, Lieutenant Stamets. Yet, despite his best efforts, the lieutenant was unable to save Discovery's mycelium crop. His fear is that his Terran counterpart has already contaminated the network, and if so, the results could be catastrophic."

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/What%27s_Past_Is_Prologue_(episode)

Evade

AtomicHorror wrote: »

It is far from certain, but a few things suggest it is possible.

When Kirk and his people crossed over, they swapped places with their counterparts.

Same thing seems to have happened with Lorca, which sadly means the prime Lorca likely died on the ISS Buran.

When Lorca jumped Discovery to the MU, the jump animation was different. Two images of Discovery were visible moving vertically out of frame in opposite directions.

So, maybe.

Both of the other swap incidents were due to simultaneous transports of the same person to the same ship in both universes during an ion storm that doesn't apply to the Discovery, if they had a spore drive maybe but as it turned out they didn't. The reason I think most people thought the ISS Discovery crossed over was it was supposed to be at the battle where the USS Discovery crossed over to but wasn't and there were no signs of Federation/Imperial debris. There doesn't seem to be any reason for the ISS Discovery to go anywhere other than the fact the writers needed it gone from the mirror universe.

noodler wrote: »

Can anyone explain to what the captain was fighting the empire for if he feels the Federation is a social experiment and the strong must always rule anyway?

I mean, what was the ideological difference?

The difference is he gets to be Emperor. If Lorca had at least feigned wanting to reform the Empire he could probably have gotten Burnham and the Discovery crew on his side. It could have been more interesting to have Burnham have to kill Georgiou herself this time only for Lorca to turn around and betray her.

Mitch Connor

corkie wrote: »

They used up the reserves to blow up the ISS Charon Palace spore thing. And for the trip back home.



http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/What%27s_Past_Is_Prologue_(episode)

That was just their stock though, not everything in the prime universe - it r make sense that there are still spores to harvest especially considering they healed the corrupted network.

noodler

Evade wrote: »

The difference is he gets to be Emperor. If Lorca had at least feigned wanting to reform the Empire he could probably have gotten Burnham and the Discovery crew on his side. It could have been more interesting to have Burnham have to kill Georgiou herself this time only for Lorca to turn around and betray her.

So he was feigning some sort of Comraderie with the aliens he rebels with?

It never seemed clear to me,then suddenly in that ep he talks about ruling exactly the same way the Empress did.

Chrussell2

Thinking of the DS9 episodes where they crossed into the MU because of a transporter device specifically for it, or a wormhole anomoly - (at no point did the prime universe characters swap places with their MU selves (Correct me if I'm wrong). I think they only time this happened is in TOS Mirror Mirror because of the ion storm. Therefore I'd suggest that there's nothing to suggest that the ISS Discovery swapped places with the USS Discovery. What could be a possibility is that Lorca swapped with Lorca because he transported in an ion storm - but does that then mean he died in the MU? I don't know - I really hope not - he has been my favourite character and has had in my opinion some of the best one liners in the series so far.

I remember the producers saying after the first couple of episodes that trekkies should trust them that everything would eventually work back to canon - so I'm really unsure what is going to happen from here on. I guess there's never been much on the klingon war (I'm basing this on the TV's/Movies - I haven't read hugely into it) so perhaps they could possibly have nearly lost it and come back - but it does feel like they're going to somehow jump back in time.

Having said that - I think there is an assumption that all will become clear in the next two episodes, and I really wouldn't be so sure of this. TV series now are all about the ARC. Think House of Cards and Game of Thrones. Discovery is following that approach and we've seen that season finales in these ARC shows don't always tidy everything up - a lot of times series have finished on cliffhangers and the ARC continues into the next season - so who knows this might go on for a while.

Discovery is a stunning show - I really really like it. I really enjoyed the scene where they were attacking the palace ship, and as they were turning to make their attacking approach, the camera was sat on the arch towards the left nacelle - a sort of Go Pro style shot that just felt like something completely different and very welcome.

noodler wrote: »

I still think it is the poorest acting and cheesiest cast we've seen in a ST show.

I'm really not sure how you think this - TOS was so cheesy and the first couple of seasons of TNG (bar Patrick Stewart) had terrible acting - Will Wheaton is in my opinion the worst actor in Star Trek history.

jasonb

Mitch Connor wrote: »

That was just their stock though, not everything in the prime universe - it r make sense that there are still spores to harvest especially considering they healed the corrupted network.

When I said that the Spore Drive was dead in the water, I meant at least at the moment. In other words, there's no spores onboard Discovery. Whatever they did before the program started to build up the spores stockpile, I presume they can do it again, but for the moment they're stuck with Warp Drive only I believe.

Of course, the next episode could easily have a line saying 'after spending a few days starting to build up our spores stockpile again, we're now on our way to meet the Admiral...' or something like that, though I hope not, that would be a bit of lazy writing!

Speaking of lazy writing, why would a throne room have a trap door to open up over the core? Apart from reminding me of ROTJ, the moment they opened it the first time, you knew it was done so they could throw someone out later on...

As for ISS Discovery coming to the Prime Universe, apart from the shot of two Discoverys going in two different directions (which I had forgotten) during the jump that Lorca hijacked, I don't think there's any reason to believe ISS Discovery ended up in the prime universe. As others have said, all other switches between the two Universes were to do with Transporters/Ion Clouds, right? And ISS Discovery didn't even have a spore drive to jump with. Well, we assume it doesn't, as Staments was on the Emperor's ship, though maybe his science colleague/friend from Ep. 3 was on ISS Discovery? Also wasn't the USS Discovery itself designed for the spore drive (the way the saucer section is designed, spins around etc.) so why would the ISS Discovery be designed the same way, even though it doesn't have a Spore Drive? Or am I just getting into 'don't ask too many questions about the MU and just go with it' territory?

However, if ISS Discovery did come over, what effect, if any, would they have had in the war. Would they have joined the Federation (unlikely with their multi-species culture) or the Klingons (unlikely as they're not human) or gone off on their own? Are the Klingons winning the war due to having the cloaking devices and the USS Discovery not being around for the last several months to help out/give the data they collected during all the jumps to help spot the cloaked ships.

Which brings me to a final question, which someone else raised on an earlier episode. once or twice we've heard 'sensors detected a cloaked ship coming out of warp/warping in'. Is there some rule that when it's coming out of warp it can be seen, but not under impulse power?

flazio

It's great to think that two established movie stars such as Jason Issacs and Michelle Yeoh would agree to be in a television series and more so square off against each other in a fight scene.
Damn we're lucky.

seamus

I think it's pretty clear that Prime Lorca ended up on the ISS Buran and was killed when that ship was destroyed.

That said, they never actually showed it being destroyed and everyone in the MU seemed to be assuming he was dead - nobody says, "I saw you die" or "We recovered your body from the wreckage".

The fact that MU Burnham had been sent to "get him" suggests that maybe the Buran had escaped that day. Will Prime Lorca and Mirror Burnham re-emerge somewhere in the prime universe?

Or maybe it's just something they're leaving open in case they want to use it later.

When they were travelling back and Stamets couldn't figure out where to go, I thought for a second we were going to be treated to a "Star Trek: Sliders" scenario where they spent the next five seasons trying to get back to their universe. Which would be fun, I guess.

Instead we got Star Trek: Quantum Leap where they're presumably going to spend a while trying to put right what once went wrong.

Though perhaps the writers' original intention was to create yet another new Star Trek universe that would leave them free to explore without purists whining about the timeline. Disco is gone, knowledge of the MU does not exist, the spore network is unavailable; the Prime timeline remains intact.

In a mirror of the mirror universe, Discovery hooks up with a rebel fleet, fighting to repel the Klingon Empire. Of course the existence of Ash/Voq on their ship will complicate matters a lot. They'll still be able to use the spore drive, but Disco is not a warship, she's only good for guerilla warfare and black ops.

The_Valeyard

So for the next 10 years the Terran Empire is run by the Imperial Senate until Spock begins his reforms

muckwarrior

noodler wrote: »

I still think it is the poorest acting and cheesiest cast we've seen in a ST show.

Funny you should say that, because I was thinking the exact opposite!

When the MU stuff came to light I decided to watch the Enterprise episodes again. I did like that show at the time, especially the second 2 seasons, but jesus it was painful to watch. The acting in particular was atrocious!

I'm also rewatching Voyager at the moment and Discovery is superior in just about every way. Even TNG had plenty of episodes filled with more cheese than an obese American.