Enzo Amore thread

Jerichoholic

Enzo's been accused of rape... by a complete lunatic. I don't believe it for a second.

Tweet is NSFW

https://twitter.com/missgucciwitch/status/955496170414985216

leggo

Remember how I spoke about how women get labelled while lads get excuses made for them?

You’ve no idea what happened. What you believe about a rape case doesn’t matter.

Jerichoholic

She also faked a pregnancy on an ex boyfriend, but I suppose that doesn't matter either.

Lithium93_

IF what's being throw at Enzo is legitimate, why not go to the authorities and tell them, instead of posting about it on social media opening herself up to all kinds of abuse.

CastorTroy

Not saying he's guilty or innocent, but seems most accusations are through public channels now. Interviews and social media. It's why the names are getting out before any charges are brought. So she's not the first

Lithium93_

CastorTroy wrote: »

Not saying he's guilty or innocent, but seems most accusations are through public channels now. Interviews and social media. It's why the names are getting out before any charges are brought. So she's not the first

Fine and dandy in theory, but in execution not so much, she's got her side out first, and now Enzo's been tarred with the "rapist" brush unfairly.

Social media has it uses, but it's also a curse when stories like this come to surface, everyone and their dog wades in with their opinions.

Trial by social media, doing it properly be damned.

Mr.Nice Guy

Not right to call someone names when they are making a serious accusation of rape. This almost instinctive reaction of victim blaming is one of the reasons celebrities feel they can act with impunity, and why many genuine victims are afraid to come forward in case they suffer a backlash.

He is entitled to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but likewise she should be afforded basic courtesy. Not like anyone here knows the full facts. Bringing up that she allegedly faked a pregnancy with an ex - sounds like people are trawling through her history to try to find reasons to discredit her.

Jerichoholic

It's a very serious accusation, but not serious enough to go to the police with in October, still hasn't by the way. Went to twitter though where most people will believer her story without question. Not saying she's lying either, but it's hard to believe someone with a history of making up stories for revenge purposes.

Sirsok

Enzo Amore is a piece of **** human being. No if, ands, or buts. I wanna slap the **** outta that little bitch"

"Enzo Amore can ****ing choke why is this guy still employed"

"Enzo Amore can **** right off, and so can the people whose first instinct is to be like "Hmm doesn't sound like the Enzo I know from TV and Instagram, I am very intelligent"

These are three tweets from people on the subject, his brand is damaged because of her accusations. He will probably not be on tv tonight or tomorrow, so his ability to work is affected. This is a police matter, not a matter for twitter

CastorTroy

It's a serious accusation, correct, but it's also one that's hard to prove either way. Her word against his/theirs. And that's why a lot of these assaults go unreported. It's hard to prove then and now.
We don't know the full story and I hope people better qualified than us will look into it. But sadly for Enzo, it means Enzo's name has been ruined and as has been said elsewhere before, the name gets out when accused but if found innocent it rarely gets publicity.

We'll know more if WWE release a statement

Pentecost

Sirsok wrote: »

Enzo Amore is a piece of **** human being. No if, ands, or buts. I wanna slap the **** outta that little bitch"

"Enzo Amore can ****ing choke why is this guy still employed"

"Enzo Amore can **** right off, and so can the people whose first instinct is to be like "Hmm doesn't sound like the Enzo I know from TV and Instagram, I am very intelligent"

These are three tweets from people on the subject, his brand is damaged because of her accusations. He will probably not be on tv tonight or tomorrow, so his ability to work is affected. This is a police matter, not a matter for twitter

He should be taking immediate legal action if there's no truth to it.

Mr.Nice Guy

No one has any compulsion to believe her, but no need to try and discredit her account either. A lot of people didn't go to the police over Saville or Weinstein but it would appear there was illegality involved. There could be a lot of reasons why she had difficulty going forward. Here's a tweet from someone I read on her:

"This girl loves cocaine, and wants money for her nude, and she’s supposed to be the rape victim of Enzo. That’s how much credibility she’s lost to the point the police will just call the mental hospital again. Even IF she’s telling the truth, why do all this? Just saying."

There's someone trying to discredit her reputation and querying her motives even if she was raped.

The woman may be lying...or she may not. We don't know the facts so no need to make judgement calls on it. Maybe this person is more dishonest than a Tory politician but such people can still be raped or sexually assaulted.

I'd add that I don't think Enzo should be called names either. He's entitled to a presumption of innocence.

DM_7

Twitter is not a suitable place to discuss attacks, the interactions people actually have must be very confusing at times.

Only have to look at the Ched Evans case to see how messed up these interactions can be for people on both sides.

A man who ended up in prison before released and found not quilty in a retrial. A woman who never accused anyone of rape is put through her own hell of trials and retrials, abuse on social media ever since. It appears the prosecution decided there was a case to answer. Her sex life ended up part of the trial. Awful stuff all round.

Sirsok

If you can go to twitter, you can go to the police. An investigation should occur and a judgement to be made. If you dont think that, and believe she is right to go public, then then judicial system needs to change.

I am not defending either, I am merely saying the process of trial by twitter is seriously flawed. Literally anyone can come forward and claim what they like.

Monokne

DM_7 wrote: »

Twitter is not a suitable place to discuss attacks, the interactions people actually have must be very confusing at times.

Only have to look at the Ched Evans case to see how messed up these interactions can be for people on both sides.

A man who ended up in prison before released and found not quilty in a retrial. A woman who never accused anyone of rape is put through her own hell of trials and retrials, abuse on social media ever since. It appears the prosecution decided there was a case to answer. Her sex life ended up part of the trial. Awful stuff all round.

I feel like it got undercovered just how badly that all went. Her life was ruined, and so was his reputation. And in the end if you study the case, it is basically impossible to know what really happened. Justice for noone.

Monokne

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Not right to call someone names when they are making a serious accusation of rape. This almost instinctive reaction of victim blaming is one of the reasons celebrities feel they can act with impunity, and why many genuine victims are afraid to come forward in case they suffer a backlash.

He is entitled to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but likewise she should be afforded basic courtesy. Not like anyone here knows the full facts. Bringing up that she allegedly faked a pregnancy with an ex - sounds like people are trawling through her history to try to find reasons to discredit her.

If someone with little credibility or with a track record of lying made an accusation that Enzo, say, mugged her, would it be ok to question the veracity of it then?

It's a grey area. You can offer concerns about the legitimacy of a story without calling someone a nutter or a liar.

Mr.Nice Guy

Monokne wrote: »

If someone with little credibility or with a track record of lying made an accusation that Enzo, say, mugged her, would it be ok to question the veracity of it then?

It's a grey area. You can offer concerns about the legitimacy of a story without calling someone a nutter or a liar.

Nothing wrong with questioning the veracity of an accusation. Like I said, people are entitled to be considered innocent until proven guilty. It's when judgement calls are made that concern me. I'm seeing that happening to both at the minute. Some are calling her a liar and saying the whole thing should be dismissed, others are saying he's a rapist and calling him names. All of these are judgement calls without any of the full facts. The police need to look into it and decide if it's something worth pursuing. In the meantime I think the approach should be to reserve judgement until more information is known.

B.A._Baracus

Stories popping up today about a woman claiming that Enzo allegedly raping her.

https://www.fightful.com/enzo-amore-accused-rape

Being accused is bad enough in this climate. The woman in question seems a bit... Out there... as you will read.

Who knows.

Rjd2

For both of there sakes,,hope there is nothing in this.

Enzo better lawyer up, for now can see the belt been taken of him asap.

B.A._Baracus

True.
Expect him to lose it tonight or tomorrow.

sky88

Hes been suspended

https://twitter.com/WrestlingSheet/status/955560718681673730

B.A._Baracus

That was fast.

DM_7

Shows how serious it is when he was suspended.

Did he not know about the investigation, I expect the WWE will be very annoyed if he kept it from them?

leggo

People need to spend some time looking up why female victims often don’t report assaults before commenting on people’s motivations.

Take a picture and frame this if you like but I 100% agree with everything Mr Nice Guy has said here.

leggo

Enzo has been suspended.

HandsomeBob

DM_7 wrote: »

Shows how serious it is when he was suspended.

Did he not know about the investigation, I expect the WWE will be very annoyed if he kept it from them?

I think it falls under their zero tolerance policy to abuse domestic or otherwise.....police possibly involved so.

CastorTroy

Curious to see how it's handled tonight. They may just not mention it until 205 Live or wait til next week to give them time to assess.

J. Marston

205 is a bit cursed, isn't it? Neville taking his ball. Swann domestic abuse the week before a title match and now Enzo's rape allegation.

Lord TSC

WWE feels like a busting powder keg of sexual harassment allegations. I half wonder if this goes in anyway mainstream (and it might givdnntheyve suspended him, which will be seen as a proof of guilt by some), will that powder keg actually ignite.

Jerichoholic

Police report has been filed, Enzo suspended, standard procedure, this is still he said/she said.

leggo

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Police report has been filed, Enzo suspended, standard procedure, this is still he said/she said.

So first she should go to the police. Then she does, and WWE responds, and it’s still bogus and she’s a lunatic making up rumours?

Do you think you might have an issue with victim blaming by any chance?

It's a little bit crap that all I have to do is publicly state 'Bobby Roode/Randy Orton/etc. raped me' and as far as anyone is concerned he's a rapist. He's pulled from TV, his merchandise will likely disappear, etc. and the chap might not have done a thing wrong.


Should be severe consequences for this kinda stuff. Even if he did do it, i'd at least like if this kinda stuff was kept quiet until he was actually found guilty of it. He'll have a hard time coming back from this. I doubt he'll recover, even if he is innocent.

Jerichoholic

You have a serious issue, that's for sure. Anyone can file a police report, doesn't make Enzo guilty.

Don't believe in investigating something first no?

leggo

But she did the thing you said she should do and she’s still every name under the sun? If you actually believe in due process, you’ll let the police do their job and reserve judgement on all parties until then. You’ll notice I haven’t slated Enzo, so that’s possible.

Jerichoholic

She should have reported it in October when it happened not today after twitter telling her to. Anyway, see how it goes. If Enzo is guilty of course he should get what's coming to him.

Sirsok

I believe shaming on social media is a dangerous slippery slope, realistically it can very well lead to the death of someone who has been trialed by the internet.

I dont understand or pretend to understand the motivations of a rape victim, and I cant imagine the suffering of a genuine case, I just think using twitter as a means to disclose your suffering is dangerous in the long run.

Agent Coulson

Is Otunga still suspended from his split from Jennifer Hudson which ended with her getting a protection order against him alleging he was physical with her.

Xenji

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Is Otunga still suspended from his split from Jennifer Hudson which ended with her getting a protection order against him alleging he was physical with her.

She dropped the protection order a couple of months ago and he has custody of their son now.

Itssoeasy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Is Otunga still suspended from his split from Jennifer Hudson which ended with her getting a protection order against him alleging he was physical with her.

Well he's apparently part of the 25th anniversary raw pre show, so it would appear not.

leggo

I think there’s a valid argument to be had over whether it’s wise or helpful for victims to post accounts on social media.

It’s just when name-calling comes into play when it’s clear to see there’s a blatant attempt by accused parties to discredit the accuser (which, by the way, is also taking place away from the investigation...why isn’t that just as wrong?! Because a man is doing it? Because Enzo is famous?)...questions need to be asked.

JohnMc1

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Stories popping up today about a woman claiming that Enzo allegedly raping her.

https://www.fightful.com/enzo-amore-accused-rape

Being accused is bad enough in this climate. The woman in question seems a bit... Out there... as you will read.

Who knows.

She is clearly trying to jump on the #metoo bandwagon. Faked a pregnancy to trap an ex-boyfriend. Claimed to spend 45 day in a mental hospital, but her social activities show out and about on the days she claimed to be in.

They need to start throwing the book at false accusers.

beakerjoe

leggo wrote: »

I think there’s a valid argument to be had over whether it’s wise or helpful for victims to post accounts on social media.

It’s just when name-calling comes into play when it’s clear to see there’s a blatant attempt by accused parties to discredit the accuser (which, by the way, is also taking place away from the investigation...why isn’t that just as wrong?! Because a man is doing it? Because Enzo is famous?)...questions need to be asked.

To be fair if you were accused wrongly youd be trying to discredit the accuser too.

Jerichoholic

beakerjoe wrote: »

To be fair if you were accused wrongly youd be trying to discredit the accuser too.

For sure.

B.A._Baracus

JohnMc1 wrote: »

She is clearly trying to jump on the #metoo bandwagon. Faked a pregnancy to trap an ex-boyfriend. Claimed to spend 45 day in a mental hospital, but her social activities show out and about on the days she claimed to be in.

They need to start throwing the book at false accusers.

Totally agree.
She should face prison time if it's proven it's all lies. Which if I am to be honest sounds like it's all in her head.

Guess we'll find out in time.

sky88

Wow so looks like its been under investigation for a long time and only coming out now

https://twitter.com/WONF4W/status/955585663910498304

Jerichoholic

Uh oh. That's new.

Ricochet to be the new cruiserweight champ?

leggo

beakerjoe wrote: »

To be fair if you were accused wrongly youd be trying to discredit the accuser too.

Do you really think so? Like realistically...I'm trying to put myself into the shoes of someone who's wrongly had this accusation levelled at them, my first step would be when DMs and whatnot with my friends started flying around, directly approaching the woman in question and talking to her (ideally in writing or recorded). I'd first try determine what she felt happened in case she perceived something differently to me and there was wires crossed, in case god forbid I was in a grey area and actually had done something to upset her!

I'd also be thinking of any legal consequences if she did make it legal and trying to gently get her - because both she and I would know for a fact that it was untrue and it's very difficult to lie to someone under those circumstances - to admit that the accusations were false. Then I'd be proactive and seek my own legal counsel to head off any accusations before they start, I'd consider a civil case of my own for damage to my good name if the solicitor thought it was a good idea because I'd be privately fuming. I'd also fully cooperate with any investigation that followed because I knew I had nothing to hide. Depending on the specifics of the situation, I may even tell my employer if I'm in the limelight so they're not caught off guard either. And I'd sleep soundly knowing that I could prove as much because the law says she has to prove an accusation and I know that's impossible because it didn't happen. I'd continue life as normal and show I had nothing to hide, over time people would see that and it'd go away.

What I absolutely wouldn't do is have a middleman try and determine if she's "cool" and going to speak about something vague that happened or not. I also wouldn't try attack her publicly through said middleman because it's a terrible look, no matter how frustrated and angry I was, you look like you've something to hide and are going on the offensive when there's a question mark over you.

leggo

sky88 wrote: »

Wow so looks like its been under investigation for a long time and only coming out now

https://twitter.com/WONF4W/status/955585663910498304

Okay, so now she's literally done everything posters have asked of her.

Are we going to see anyone back down over slating her publicly because they themselves were ignorant of the facts?

beakerjoe

Leggo, you need to relax.

leggo

I’m totally relaxed man, I’m in bed waiting for Raw after live tweeting loads of class Raw moments. But my level of relaxation doesn’t stop it being total bollocks that days after it gets pointed out on this forum that accused men get believed and accusing women get trashed, that exact thing happens. And then as the facts start to come out, all of the reasons that people trashed the woman to begin with get stripped away piece by piece, but the points people made to begin with are still allowed hang there unchallenged and unretracted...

This is why there’s a problem. This is why #MeToo is happening. This is why victims don’t report and bad guys can get away with horrible things for years.

Jerichoholic

Do you need a hand getting off your high horse? Wait and see how it plays out before you put Enzo in a noose.