Jordan Peterson interview on C4

Brian?

johnp001 wrote: »

Are you implying that because higher education recipients have tended over an extended time period to be more progressive and left leaning than the general population that this precludes the possibility that these tendencies are due to indoctrination?

It doesn't preclude it, no. It makes it statistically unlikely in my view.

professore

I met a trans person recently (female to male). This guy had a beard and unless you were told you'd think they were a guy. It would be ridiculous making him use the womens toilets

Peterson would agree 100% here as you are compelling someone to use a certain toilet.

or calling him her.

If your religious beliefs compelled you to do this - e.g. I am pretty sure a Muslim would call this person a female - then should they still be forced to call him a male?

It would also be extremely hurtful. Imagine your teacher kept calling you she in the classroom (if you were a male).

Yeah that might suck, depending how it was done and the motivation behind it. There is a strong argument to say you are correct to do so, if that's what you truly believe. If they did it in a respectful way, and otherwise treated you as a person, and didn't mark you down based on your gender, then I don't see the problem. I think it would be far worse to be called "he" and be passive aggressively referred to and shamed because some law says the teacher has to but is doing it through clenched teeth.

In an ideal world people would respect each other but unfortunately we need human rights and anti discrimination legislation because there are a lot of a holes about who enjoy bullying and putting others down.

Yes I agree with this. Then make it anti bullying legislation, not forced speech legislation.

Brian?

johnp001 wrote: »

I don't think many people are arguing that liberal bias is responsible for influencing the value of the explicit constants as measured by physicists.
In other academic fields bias would be more relevant.
An example I saw recently was from a psychology professor who mentions publication bias for studies in a number of areas that would be more relevant to what are considered by some to be liberal agendas below:
Steve Stewart-Williams twitter
https://twitter.com/SteveStuWill/status/878031781198417923

I may be stupid here, but neither of these subjects have ever been left/right issues. Unless I'm missing something. There are plenty of conservatives who would love to censor computer games for a start.

As for the correlation of IQ and grades, is that something liberals object to?

Dyr

B0jangles wrote: »

Isn't he the guy who thinks being asked to use a transgender person's preferred pronouns is oppression and a sign of the impending collapse of modern society?

Ah, Cathy. Great to see you've graced us with your presence. Fancy doing an AMA?

Dyr

Brian? wrote: »

. There are plenty of conservatives who would love to censor computer games for a start.

Not anymore, all the recent concerted efforts to censor computer games has come from the lunatic liberal ranks

johnp001

Brian? wrote: »

I may be stupid here, but neither of these subjects have ever been left/right issues. Unless I'm missing something. There are plenty of conservatives who would love to censor computer games for a start.

As for the correlation of IQ and grades, is that something liberals object to?

The correlation of IQ and grades would mean differing levels of performance from different groups could be explained by something other than institutional prejudice and systemic bias.

SSr0

Brian? wrote: »

I actually have a miniscule amount of faith is the Department of Homeland Security.

Yeah, I'm sure your surveillance based intelligence has more to offer than Homeland Security. :rolleyes:

ancapailldorcha

10000maniacs wrote: »

You mentioned in a previous thread that it was a "crap interview" and down to Newman, but nothing to do with liberals.
What did you mean?
It was a crap interview for liberals to watch, but it was hardly a crap interview.
Any liberal interviewer in any television studio would be eaten alive by Peterson.

Really? More of this petty nonsense?

I said it was a crap interview because Newman did a terrible job of questioning him and interrupted him far too often with nonsense and misinterpretations, almost as if she was deliberately taking what he said the wrong way.

Brian?

johnp001 wrote: »

The correlation of IQ and grades would mean differing levels of performance from different groups could be explained by something other than institutional prejudice and systemic bias.

Ok. Agreed. But wasn’t that obvious to everyone? I’m still failing to see this as a left/right issue. I don’t think anyone on the left claims that it’s entirelu down to prejudice and bias. We all know some people are smarter than others.

Brian?

SSr0 wrote: »

Yeah, I'm sure your surveillance based intelligence has more to offer than Homeland Security. :rolleyes:

Care to name some acts of terrorism committed by Antifa?

Brian?

Bambi wrote: »

Not anymore, all the recent concerted efforts to censor computer games has come from the lunatic liberal ranks

Go on then. Who’s pushing the censorship of computer games? I’d like some names.

Also, “lunatic liberal”? Come on. Liberals are centerist. They are not rabid marxists.

conorhal

Brian? wrote: »

Go on then. Who’s pushing the censorship of computer games? I’d like some names.

Also, “lunatic liberal”? Come on. Liberals are centerist. They are not rabid marxists.

Anita sarkeesian, for a start.

Dyr

Brian? wrote: »

Go on then. Who’s pushing the censorship of computer games? I’d like some names.

Also, “lunatic liberal”? Come on. Liberals are centerist. They are not rabid marxists.

Not any more, read the guardian, they've all gone off the deep end and are now parroting the level of unhinged identitarian guff that you used to only see on the extreme right

SSr0

Brian? wrote: »

Care to name some acts of terrorism committed by Antifa?

Attacking police and anyone who dares disagree with them?Mmmmm... yes, sound bunch of lads really.

You're hardly an advocate of them, are you?

Brian?

SSr0 wrote: »

Attacking police and anyone who dares disagree with them?Mmmmm... yes, sound bunch of lads really.

You're hardly an advocate of them, are you?

Can you name an act of terrorism committed by Antifa?

Noel82

Brian? wrote: »

Can you name an act of terrorism committed by Antifa?

Yaysus Brian I knew you were a devout Liberal but a closet commie too?

20Cent

SSr0 wrote: »

Attacking police and anyone who dares disagree with them?Mmmmm... yes, sound bunch of lads really.

You're hardly an advocate of them, are you?

If they really attacked anyone who disagrees with them they'd be fighting all the time.

Brian?

conorhal wrote: »

Anita sarkeesian, for a start.

Anita Sarkeesian is absolutely not advocating for the censorship ship of games. She’s criticizes the representation of women in games.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/30/gamers-criticism-censorship?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


I do also find it ironic that you claim only the left hound speakers at universities, when Ms Sarkeesian had to cancel a college speech due to death threats.

Noel82

20Cent wrote: »

If they really attacked anyone who disagrees with them they'd be fighting all the time.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

"Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.

Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI."

Brian?

Noel82 wrote: »

Yaysus Brian I knew you were a devout Liberal but a closet commie too?

Rioting is terrorism now?

I am not a liberal. Never have been. I am a libertarian socialist. I await the list of acts of terrorism committed by Antifa.

I’d add, I’m not a fan of Antifa. I’m also a pacifist.

Brian?

Bambi wrote: »

Not any more, read the guardian, they've all gone off the deep end and are now parroting the level of unhinged identitarian guff that you used to only see on the extreme right

No. They haven’t. That’s quite a silly statement. There is nothing extreme about liberalism.

20Cent

Noel82 wrote: »

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

"Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.

Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI."

If they are a terrorist organisation how come they aren't rounded up and arrested?

conorhal

Brian? wrote: »

Anita Sarkeesian is absolutely not advocating for the censorship ship of games. She’s criticizes the representation of women in games.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/30/gamers-criticism-censorship?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


I do also find it ironic that you claim only the left hound speakers at universities, when Ms Sarkeesian had to cancel a college speech due to death threats.

If you're telling people what should or should not be permitted in a game, and she absolutely pressurised games companies in that regard you're censoring.
And don't make me laugh about her cancelled college speech, Anita is FAMOUS for playing the victim card. Most if not all of those on the right have gotten serious death threats for agreeing to speak at colleges, and Antifa have turned up to underline that threat of violence, and yet they turn up anyway despite the threats only for the colleges themselves to cancel them.
Sarkeesian gets one anonymous threat and takes to her fainting couch and then scurrys off to address the UN about cyber bullying and offers to let people pay her to consult about it. She's a pathetic, manipulative, profiteering charlatan. Somebody really needs to ask here where all hundreds of thousands in cash she raised for a web series on feminism and women's representation in gaming went after she threw up a couple of cheaply produced episodes and then abandoned it.

Noel82

Brian? wrote: »

No mention of Antifa?

Good lad

I guess you missed the headline

"FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks"

And the first line of the article

""Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous."

"After President Donald Trump’s election in November, the antifa activists locked onto another target "

"Some of the DHS and FBI intelligence reports began flagging the antifa protesters before the election. "

"At the Sacramento rally, antifa protesters came looking for violence, and “engaged in several activities indicating proficiency in pre-operational planning"

"Several state law enforcement officials said that all of those accelerating factors have come to pass. And recent FBI and DHS reports confirm they are actively monitoring “conduct deemed potentially suspicious and indicative of terrorist activity” by antifa groups. "

They are mentioned throughout the article, cause ya know, it's based on them.

markodaly

Brian? wrote: »

I am not a liberal. Never have been. I am a libertarian socialist.

How does this work? You believe in liberty yet want some kind of redistribution of wealth, carried out by whom exactly?

pumpkin4life

markodaly wrote: »

How does this work? You believe in liberty yet want some kind of redistribution of wealth, carried out by whom exactly?

I want people to pay for my shìt, yet I want to be allowed to do whatever I want without people criticizing me.

The best of both worlds.

Brian?

conorhal wrote: »

If you're telling people what should or should not be permitted in a game, and she absolutely pressurised games companies in that regard you're censoring.
And don't make me laugh about her cancelled college speech, Anita is FAMOUS for playing the victim card. Most if not all of those on the right have gotten serious death threats for agreeing to speak at colleges, and Antifa have turned up to underline that threat of violence, and yet they turn up anyway despite the threats only for the colleges themselves to cancel them.
Sarkeesian gets one anonymous threat and takes to her fainting couch and then scurrys off to address the UN about cyber bullying and offers to let people pay her to consult about it. She's a pathetic, manipulative, profiteering charlatan. Somebody really needs to ask here where all hundreds of thousands in cash she raised for a web series on feminism and women's representation in gaming went after she threw up a couple of cheaply produced episodes and then abandoned it.

That is not censorship. That's criticism. Did she call for the law to be changed?

Brian?

Noel82 wrote: »

Good lad

I guess you missed the headline

"FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks"

And the first line of the article

""Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous."

"After President Donald Trump’s election in November, the antifa activists locked onto another target "

"Some of the DHS and FBI intelligence reports began flagging the antifa protesters before the election. "

"At the Sacramento rally, antifa protesters came looking for violence, and “engaged in several activities indicating proficiency in pre-operational planning"

"Several state law enforcement officials said that all of those accelerating factors have come to pass. And recent FBI and DHS reports confirm they are actively monitoring “conduct deemed potentially suspicious and indicative of terrorist activity” by antifa groups. "

They are mentioned throughout the article, cause ya know, it's based on them.

I deleted my post because I didn't read yours properly.

conorhal

pumpkin4life wrote: »

I want people to pay for my shìt, yet I want to be allowed to do whatever I want without people criticizing me.

The best of both worlds.

Oh! he could have just said millennial.

That is however such an apt description of why society really is going down the tubes though, ...and why tumblr 'otherkin' exist... These folks need a good dose of Peterson's first commandment, 'clean your room!'

Brian?

markodaly wrote: »

How does this work? You believe in liberty yet want some kind of redistribution of wealth, carried out by whom exactly?

Carried our by everyone. Which is the entire point of socialism to begin with.