Jordan Peterson interview on C4

Urethral Buttercup

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

I've a degree in philosophy also and can confirm.

Confirming which though?

Gynoid

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He has made friends with neo nazis.

Neo nazi has become a meaningless term because people like you hurl it constantly at people who disagree with you.

He constantly ties race and IQ together. Some races are just smarter than others.

Evidence suggests that IQ is a trait, like all other traits, that differs among races. Asian people seem to have higher IQs on average than Caucasians on average. I did not explode upon hearing that even thoimugh I am Caucasian. IQ can be changed like other traits over evolutionary time, both up and downwards. IQ appears to have peaked in some places, like Europe, the Flynn effect. I also have not exploded reading about that as a European.

He constantly fights SJWS who make it their cause to oppose racism homophobia etc. Why is he always on the opposite side ?

So called SJWs often pursue deeply irrational causes and back up their talk about their supposedly superior goodness with threat of violence. I have no objection to any challenge to irrationality.

His entire career was founded on the Human rights code in Canada being extended to trans people.

He was one hundred percent correct to challenge compelled speech whereby people are forced to disavow truth in order to be politically correct. Trans activists have been seeking far more than "human rights". The actions and activism of those extremist idealogues, whereby at a foundational level they must insist upon the chemical and surgical castration of vulnerable youth, will one day soon be seen as utterly reprehensible.

ILoveYourVibes

Not my point. He's worked as a Psychologist, and taught it as a professor

Court ruled he wasn't an expert and his opinion was dubious. :P

Jordan Peterson was called as an expert witness on a murder trial. The court called his expert status 'DUBIOUS'

https://pressprogress.ca/jordan-peterson-was-an-expert-witness-in-a-murder-trial-the-court-called-his-expert-opinions-dubious/

So legally he isn't an expert.

Manitoba‘s highest court said Jordan Peterson’s “dubious expert opinion” was “unreliable” and “unnecessarily complicated” a murder trial

The judge ruled his opinions lacked scientific basis and was unreliable.

A guy killed two people his best friend was one of them. He confused but later withdrew his confession. Peterson was called as an expert witness on false memory. The court ruled he wasn't an expert and his opinion lacked scientific basis and was DUBIOUS!

Ruling on “the admissibility of expert evidence on false confessions” in January 2012, Manitoba Justice Shawn Greenberg ruled three-quarters of Peterson’s evidence was inadmissible and questioned his credibility as an expert witness.

“Dr. Peterson has no experience” assessing “the reliability of confessions,” Justice Greenberg wrote in her ruling.

Justice Greenberg also appeared puzzled by Peterson’s testimony on false memories.

During a police interview, the defendant initially claimed he could not remember whether or not he killed his friend – the judge noted that Peterson “accepted” this explanation “without question.”

As Justice Greenberg observed: “being questioned about the death of a friend is not like being asked if one had remembered to turn off the stove.”

HE IS LEGALLY DUBIOUS!

ILoveYourVibes

Gynoid wrote: »

Trans activists have been seeking far more than "human rights". The actions and activism of those extremist idealogues, whereby at a foundational level they must insist upon the chemical and surgical castration of vulnerable youth, will one day soon be seen as utterly reprehensible.

So you admit you and he don't like trans people.

I mean you have just said some pretty transphobic things right there.

The chemical castration of vulnerable youth??? WUT????

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Court ruled he wasn't an expert and his opinion was dubious. :P

Which goes no way to discredit/refute what I posted.

Obviously.

Urethral Buttercup

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Confirming which though?

That by not practicing it as a vocation it's hard to retain the knowledge and expertise you gain in liberal arts.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

So you admit you and he don't like trans people.

I mean you have just said some pretty transphobic things right there.

The chemical castration of vulnerable youth??? WUT????

And the above is why someone like JP was welcomed so much by many males on the internet.

Urethral Buttercup

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

That by not practicing it as a vocation it's hard to retain the knowledge and expertise.

Thanks for clearing that up.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Which goes no way to discredit/refute what I posted.

Obviously.

He is legally dubious.

ILoveYourVibes

Gynoid wrote: »

Neo nazi has become a meaningless term because people like you hurl it constantly at people who disagree with you.

What do you mean ...people like me?

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

He is legally dubious.

No, he wasn't a good expert at a court case.

Were his professional qualifications, and licenses revoked?

And the post you replied to with the court case info, doesn't need him to be a good expert at a court case to be true.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

No, he wasn't a good expert at a court case.

Were his professional qualifications, and licenses revoked?

And the post you replied to with the court case info, doesn't need him to be a good expert at a court case to be true.

You are entirely missing the point.


The man was eventually convicted of double murder.


Peterson was found to be giving a Dubious opinion in defense of that man who had previously confessed to that double murder.


Its morally questionable.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And the above is why someone like JP was welcomed so much by many males on the internet.

Yeah. Some people really want to see someone stick the boot into people who they see as different. "nobody cares about me as a white man so why should anyone care about trans people?".

Some people really prefer the idea of tearting down other people to encouraging compassion for themselves and others.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You are entirely missing the point.


The man was eventually convicted of double murder.


Peterson was found to be giving a Dubious opinion in defense of that man who had previously confessed to that double murder.


Its morally questionable.

Which doesn't counter what I originally said. Your post about the Trial case doesn't counter it.

He was chosen as an expert for the case, and the judge found his expert opinion wanting. That doesn't legally change his expertise, which you have tried to suggest. That simply says that he was wrong in the eyes of the law for that case.

Sure, it's morally questionable... but then I find your post to Gynoid about trans-phobia to be morally questionable too.

ILoveYourVibes

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Some people really prefer the idea of tearting down other people to encouraging compassion for themselves and others.

Really sad Peterson couldn't ask for compassion for himself.

Maybe he looked at the company he was keeping and couldn't see it coming from them.....so he thought we were all like that.


I doubt the people who watch his videos would be so forgiving to a 'junkie' on the street.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Which doesn't counter what I originally said. Your post about the Trial case doesn't counter it.

He was chosen as an expert for the case, and the judge found his expert opinion wanting. That doesn't legally change his expertise, which you have tried to suggest. That simply says that he was wrong in the eyes of the law for that case.

Sure, it's morally questionable... but then I find your post to Gynoid about trans-phobia to be morally questionable too.

Yes it does. He was found legally not to be an expert.

Gynoid seems to equate trans people with the forced chemical castration of young people???

uh ..wut!!

Gynoid

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

So you admit you and he don't like trans people.

I mean you have just said some pretty transphobic things right there.

The chemical castration of vulnerable youth??? WUT????

I probably like genuine transsexual people more than you do, because I do not like to see them or their experiences being used a blunt force/ cannon fodder in a radical ideological war. Many trans people agree among those I regularly read.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes it does. He was found legally not to be an expert.

Gynoid seems to equate trans people with the forced chemical castration of young people???

uh ..wut!!

He was not found legally not to be an expert. His expert advice was dismissed by the Judge. Any records of an investigation about his ability to be an expert? No? Were his professional qualifications as a psychologist revoked by any official organisation? no?

As for Gynoid, you could stick with what he said, rather going with what he seems to be saying...

ILoveYourVibes

Gynoid wrote: »

I probably like genuine transsexual people more than you do, because I do not like to see them or their experiences being used a blunt force/ cannon fodder in a radical ideological war. Many trans people agree among those I regularly read.

Dude ...how many trans people do you know?

What WAR?

Maybe you should stop encountering the world through the net and start encountering it through people you meet.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

He was not found legally not to be an expert. His expert advice was dismissed by the Judge. Any records of an investigation about his ability to be an expert? No? Were his professional qualifications as a psychologist revoked by any official organisation? no?

As for Gynoid, you could stick with what he said, rather going with what he seems to be saying...

Actually.......... https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/after-misconduct-complaint-jordan-peterson-agrees-to-plan-for-clinical-improvement

He has also had his fellowship revoked https://www.crisismagazine.com/2019/on-petersons-revoked-fellowship-to-cambridge-divinity-school

I did stick with what he said.

Gynoid

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yes it does. He was found legally not to be an expert.

Gynoid seems to equate trans people with the forced chemical castration of young people???

uh ..wut!!

Sorry, your fake and repeated expressions of shock and confusion are highly unconvincing. Rapid "affirmation" of gender identity in children has been vigorously pursued by trans lobbyists and gender clinics have fallen in line globally. Affirmation uses blockers first which halt maturation of gametes and sexual organs and thereafter cross sex hormones which causes sterility and in most cases impotency. Further surgery removes functioning sexual organs and attempts to replace them with organs which are generally faulty. This is pursued from childhood, from the age of 8 in many cases, with use of chemicals, and with removal of primary sexual organs happening from 16, and secondary sexual characteristics like breasts being removed from aged 12.

Quit the faux outrage.

ILoveYourVibes

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Actually.......... https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/after-misconduct-complaint-jordan-peterson-agrees-to-plan-for-clinical-improvement

He has also had his fellowship revoked https://www.crisismagazine.com/2019/on-petersons-revoked-fellowship-to-cambridge-divinity-school

I did stick with what he said.

"Peterson has no previous discipline findings, and no restrictions on his practice, through which he is authorized to provide clinical psychological services to adults in Ontario"

The underlined bit would cover your court case, and the article makes no mention of any licences being revoked. There wasn't even a discipline hearing. Your claims of him being legally dubious, or legally shown not to be an expert, are worthless.

Funny that you would provide an article that invalidates your claims. :pac:

ILoveYourVibes

Its just been reported Jordan Peterson is now neurologically damaged from the induced coma and cannot talk walk unaided or type. https://www.dailywire.com/news/jordan-peterson-almost-died-in-induced-coma-during-withdrawal-from-anxiety-drug-daughter-says

They say he almost died in that coma ..in russia.

ILoveYourVibes

Gynoid wrote: »

Sorry, your fake and repeated expressions of shock and confusion are highly unconvincing. Rapid "affirmation" of gender identity in children has been vigorously pursued by trans lobbyists and gender clinics have fallen in line globally. Affirmation uses blockers first which halt maturation of gametes and sexual organs and thereafter cross sex hormones which causes sterility and in most cases impotency. Further surgery removes functioning sexual organs and attempts to replace them with organs which are generally faulty. This is pursued from childhood, from the age of 8 in many cases, with use of chemicals, and with removal of primary sexual organs happening from 16, and secondary sexual characteristics like breasts being removed from aged 12.

Quit the faux outrage.

What the heck are you talking about?

ILoveYourVibes

Gynoid wrote: »

Sorry, your fake and repeated expressions of shock and confusion are highly unconvincing. Rapid "affirmation" of gender identity in children has been vigorously pursued by trans lobbyists and gender clinics have fallen in line globally. Affirmation uses blockers first which halt maturation of gametes and sexual organs and thereafter cross sex hormones which causes sterility and in most cases impotency. Further surgery removes functioning sexual organs and attempts to replace them with organs which are generally faulty. This is pursued from childhood, from the age of 8 in many cases, with use of chemicals, and with removal of primary sexual organs happening from 16, and secondary sexual characteristics like breasts being removed from aged 12.

Quit the faux outrage.

I just tend to use the trans people i know as a guide rather than imagine its tin foil hat time.

ILoveYourVibes

Paolo Maldini 122 wrote: »

Does it bother anyone that East Asians have higher IQs than Caucasians. As a Caucasian it doesn't bother me one iota, You would have to be very insecure to be bothered by such things.

We Jews have higher IQs than either of you :P

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

"Peterson has no previous discipline findings, and no restrictions on his practice, through which he is authorized to provide clinical psychological services to adults in Ontario"

The underlined bit would cover your court case, and the article makes no mention of any licences being revoked. There wasn't even a discipline hearing. Your claims of him being legally dubious, or legally shown not to be an expert, are worthless.

Funny that you would provide an article that invalidates your claims. :pac:

Yeah well he won't be doing that soon he can't walk or talk ..and is brain damaged from that coma in russia that was such a good idea.

Huntergonzo

Paolo Maldini 122 wrote: »

I enjoy watching Jordan Peterson's videos, he's a very intelligent man with a lot of insight to offer.

This may blow some people's minds but I consider myself left wing socially.

I think think he is an intelligent man as well and I enjoyed a lot of his videos, particularly on the use of personal pronouns and gender politics, I think he makes some very good points in thosr areas.

But I also I think he's very weak on some subjects (such as religion) and does his best to convolute and obscure any topic he's uncomfortable with.

A lot of his poor answers start with the line "well what do you mean by x".

Urethral Buttercup

It should be easy enough to get a sense of his expertise of lack of based on the number of peer reviewed articles he has written. What exactly is contribution to his field? What was his doctoral research on?

ILoveYourVibes

He just wants to eliminate social science depts in Universities. All these universities are indoctrinating people!


Peterson isn't willing to do the research, publishing and citings that these depts have to do tho..funny