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Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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    #4262
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Peterson deserves no vitriol IMO. He's a thoroughly decent human being who's often wrong. I've no problem with that. I have a problem with him being placed on a pedestal, but that's not his fault.

    It was his opposition that put him on the pedestal..


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    #4263
    El_Duderino 09
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Well, he's not really insisting that you live by his standards.. he's giving an educated opinion on what makes a good life as he sees it..

    Well, like..Chomsky studied linguistics..does he have a right to give his political opinion?..jesus christ..does anyone have a right to give their opinion on anything really?..if you have a phd in engineering of course you can tell people how to raise kids..and people can listen to you if they want?..

    Sure. And part of Peterson's whole schtick is that you need to be perfect to talk about the world, which is making a rod for his own back.

    If he lives by that rule, then why is he giving advice instead of just working towards perfection in his own life?

    But the reality is that Peterson's advice us always for other people. So Peterson talks about the various enemies of his target audience- the Marxists, the feminists, the left. THEY should get their house in order before complaining. In other words THEY should shut up. I don't suppose JP or anyone on this thread applies that standard to their own life or else they would be at home trying to improve themselves rather than discussing issues in the world.

    Peterson's advice on this topic is always for other people.


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    #4264
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    ***sigh***

    **Bangs head off wall**


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    #4265
    El_Duderino 09
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think there must be more to it than that.. They see him as threatening..

    Who sees him as threatening?


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    #4266
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Who sees him as threatening?

    You do, eldude..you do..


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    #4267
    take everything
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    Peterson isn't the Messiah.

    But instead of jumping gleefully to "hypocrite", maybe people should acquaint themselves with the term "wounded healer".

    This is basically what the guy is which makes him more rather than less genuine.


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    #4268
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Why in the name of god seeking treatment in RUSSIA?

    Has this man seen russian hospitals?

    The man is an idiot he'll end up with pneumonia.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/epgb37/what-drug-experts-say-about-jordan-petersons-benzo-dependence


    Russian Hospitals from a Russian Youtuber



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    #4269
    Woke Hogan
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    Salbanza4 wrote: »
    Some people have a world view and beliefs that they identify with, and cling to for comfort, evidence to the contrary can be painful for such people. So rather than simply disagree, such people get defensive and emotional upon being hearing someone else's beliefs that contradicts theirs, especially someone with authority and support.
    "Authority?" What are you blubbering on about?


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    #4270
    El_Duderino 09
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So what, we should let the drunks and the drug addled lead the revolution?

    Did you really mean to say 'drug addled'? Given Peterson's current predicament, I'd say it's you who's advocating for following a drug addict. The same drug addict who told you one should have their own life in perfect order before criticising the world.

    It would be hard to parody this situation.


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    #4271
    El_Duderino 09
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You do, eldude..you do..

    Do I indeed? News to me. Thanks for letting me know.

    FFS.


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    #4272
    El_Duderino 09
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    take everything wrote: »
    Peterson isn't the Messiah.

    But instead of jumping gleefully to "hypocrite", maybe people should acquaint themselves with the term "wounded healer".

    This is basically what the guy is which makes him more rather than less genuine.

    He can't lose. Live by his rules and he's Canadian Jesus. Break his own rules and he's even more genuine. Nice system.


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    #4273
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Salbanza4 wrote: »
    Jordan Peterson is living rent free in that head of yours.
    Its Ireland ain't no one living rent free anywhere.

    Come up with a better metaphor.


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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Why in the name of god seeking treatment in RUSSIA?

    Has this man seen russian hospitals?

    He's gone private... which means he'll be getting a standard of care far above the standard. It's normal in many countries. China is the same. The standard care is pretty low, but the private/paid service is going to be extremely good.


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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    , I'd say it's you who's advocating for following a drug addict.

    No, I meant drug addled..
    I'm not advocating for following anyone..

    I'm wondering how in one thread you encourage people to start a movement to address men's issues, and in other threads you spend an inordinate amount of time attacking the one person who has tried to..
    I'm wondering why someone would have such an issue with someone's diet..
    My diet consists primarily of yellow skittles.. you probably have an issue with that too, do you?


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    #4276
    Akrasia
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    super_furry wrote: »
    So her dad is sick with addiction issues and the headcase daughter, who preaches to the world about only eating beef, carts him off to Russia where he ends up in a coma, suffers neurological damage and no-one has heard from him.

    Honestly I'd be worried for the poor man. He's not being looked after by people with his best interests at heart.

    Surprise Surprise, a Jordan Peterson fan finds a woman to blame for Jordan Peterson’s problems


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    #4277
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    I don't really see why addiction to benzos could completely invalidate a person's philosophical offerings to the public, and the ugly schadenfreude that I have (albeit briefly) glimpsed after this Peterson Russian coma thing is all a bit distatsteful. Note, I have not read much of this thread.
    Peterson was briefly interesting to me at first because of his challenge to compelled speech and his essentially putting himself publicly and quite bravely on the firing line to start a defense of reason against wild ideologies. For that I appreciate him very much.
    After that I just found him a rather privileged chap doing some quite mundane explorations of other subjects that have been far more pithily explored by many others for a very long time.

    But he could not help his sudden fame, he seemed genuinely shocked and somewhat unmoored by it, which is perfectly understandable. To heckle him and jibe at his illness now is unseemly.
    Many people of this age seem enthralled by Carl Jung, to offer a vague comparison. His ideas have permeated a great many fields, often in hidden ways. I am sure some who now mock Peterson have unconsciously (heh!) absorbed Jungian thought. And yet in his private life Jung was (to me, at least) a very unpleasant human being. He married for money and treated his wife despicably. He was impossibly arrogant and egotistical. He very successfully foisted his often quite insane and grandiose esoteric dabblings and mental exercises upon the world as a completr system of understanding human consciousness, and it has been astonishly well received and maintained. But the same chap, in between meeting clients, who he occasionally fcuked, would cower under his office desk in wild possessions of anxiety and delusion. Really Peterson is just an urbane Canadian who accidentally became famous for being a bit braver than most in a sense-starved world and who has not been coping very well of late. Have a bit of mercy.


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    #4278
    El_Duderino 09
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No, I meant drug addled..
    I'm not advocating for following anyone..

    I'm wondering how in one thread you encourage people to start a movement to address men's issues, and in other threads you spend an inordinate amount of time attacking the one person who has tried to..
    I'm wondering why someone would have such an issue with someone's diet..
    My diet consists primarily of yellow skittles.. you probably have an issue with that too, do you?

    Now this, is rambling.


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    Gynoid wrote: »
    and the ugly schadenfreude that I have (albeit briefly) glimpsed after this Peterson Russian coma thing is all a bit distatsteful. Note, I have not read much of this thread.

    It's pretty grim isn't it?


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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Surprise Surprise, a Jordan Peterson fan finds a woman to blame for Jordan Peterson’s problems

    Surprise surprise, someone decides to make women the victims of the situation. :rolleyes:

    Notice he said people? and didn't lay the blame on the daughter, just dismissed her views...


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    #4281
    Gynoid
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's pretty grim isn't it?

    Alas completely predictable. People seem to find casual emotional savagery towards ones "enemies" to be wholly acceptable in this very polarised world. It is hard not to be infected by it and follow suit. That is my own battle.


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    #4282
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    He's gone private... which means he'll be getting a standard of care far above the standard. It's normal in many countries. China is the same. The standard care is pretty low, but the private/paid service is going to be extremely good.
    No it isn't.

    Also Russia makes citizens take out private health insurance.

    I know from Russians themselves the only places up to foreign standards are the European medical center and the American medical health center in Moscow. They are for many Russians 'The private hospitals'.


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    #4283
    Akrasia
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    Of course Peterson is not the latest greatest Philosopher of our age - he's a clinical psychologist for a start.

    His clinical psychology is what he does best - which influences his view that if one is going to complain about some social issue whether it be a feeling of unequal pay for women or whatever - if your going to complain about it you have to have your own house in order first - rather than blaming society for you ills. That is one of the strongest points he has ever made imo. You can extrapolate that across any social injustice complaint. I.e. if you feel you didn't get a job because you are black...are you sure you did everything right in the first place. People are far to quick to scream discrimination these days imo.

    What weirds me out on this thread is the idea that he went about himself deliberately to make himself controversial and consequently to make money for notoriety. He came to prominence because of speaking out against his University where they enforced the nations policy on hate speech - for which the transgender pronoun issue encompass's.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695 . It was at that point in 2016 that he came to wider prominence. He defends his position in this TV debate I think very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kasiov0ytEc This was before the wider world ever heard of him. So to suggest he engaged in all this just to further himself when he clearly is very passionate about the issue of free speech is just nonsense. And I think the issue of forced speech is something we should be concerned about - it's tantamount to controlled speech.
    Also the idea he's in any way anti-transgender is also nonsense. No evidence for that at all.

    Why I think so many ppl seem to hate his guts is his comments on equal pay. As shown in that now infamous C4 interview. And as a result they won't argue his points instead claim he's being pro male, one sided, making money by focusing on one (male) demographic, and profiting off this. Feminist's done like him one little bit.

    I think it is good that someone like JP has moved into a more open public space rather than those types of intellectual's living in more privileged exclusive circles where their thoughts would get less exposure. Let's see more people like JP reaching to a much wider audience, and I think that would be beneficial for wider society.

    I have never everyone agree with one person. JP talks nonsense when he brings God into things and I'm baffled how he can be a competent clinical psychologist and bring God into the equation at the same time. Completely baffled by that. But that's the thing about humans and human opinion - you'll never figure it out. But at least he's played a part in opening public discussion about issues in a way no one else ever has.

    JP isn’t an intellectual, he’s a pseudo intellectual. He doesn’t promote the love of knowledge or reason, he promotes himself. He tells people to not go to university because they are full of socialism and SJWs but tries to set up his own online university to promote himself and his cult of personality. And he does this through the appalling ‘prager university’ which lends even more weight to the feeling that Peterson has a net Negative contribution to the intellectual progress of our civilization


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    Akrasia wrote: »
    JP isn’t an intellectual, he’s a pseudo intellectual.

    This is horsesh1t..in fairness..


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    ILoveYourVibes
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    Salbanza4 wrote: »
    If you ever find yourself taking pleasure in the misfortune of decent person you need to take a very good look at yourself and what is lacking in your own life.
    I am not taking pleasure in the misfortune of a decent person.


    I am baffled by the idiocy of a self grandiosed person.


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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    No it isn't.

    Yes, it is. We're talking about the services available to the rich in Russia. They'll be top notch services.

    Unless you have some proof as to where he's been admitted to and the standard of care? Logic suggests that he'll have access to the best care.

    Peterson has made a bucket of cash from his books, youtube, interviews, etc. Even without considering his clinical practice, and professorship incomes. He can afford to pay top dollar for what he wants.


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    #4287
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is horsesh1t..in fairness..

    Its fair to say.

    He misquotes a lot. He gets philosophical ideas so wrong either he can't have read what he claims to have. Or ....well there is no or.


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    #4288
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes, it is. We're talking about the services available to the rich in Russia. They'll be top notch services.

    Unless you have some proof as to where he's been admitted to and the standard of care? Logic suggests that he'll have access to the best care.

    Peterson has made a bucket of cash from his books, youtube, interviews, etc. Even without considering his clinical practice, and professorship incomes. He can afford to pay top dollar for what he wants.


    You don't get it do you.

    The rich in Russia come to Europe for their healthcare. Or they go to American health care centers IN Russia.


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    #4289
    Akrasia
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Surprise surprise, someone decides to make women the victims of the situation. :rolleyes:

    Notice he said people? and didn't lay the blame on the daughter, just dismissed her views...
    One feature I find in common with many JP defenders is their ability to completely reinterpret a message and take the opposite meaning from what it clearly said

    The post I responded to was clearly blaming his ‘headcase’ daughter for putting JP in a dangerous situation, and alluded that she was doing so out of her own interests and not his


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    #4290
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    Maybe he's going for the immersive gulag archipelago experience...


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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    You don't get it do you.

    The rich in Russia come to Europe for their healthcare.

    The rich do both. That's what they do with their money. Increased convenience for their lives. I'm honestly amazed that you seem to think that the rich in Russia will have no access to high quality health services without going to another country.

    As for my not getting it... Nah, I just disagree with you.


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