Whole food plant based MD

WannaGetFit

Hi, I am looking for a medical Doctor who is onboard with a whole food plant based eating plan. Dublin based.
Does anyone know any and have you been?
Hoping there is more than one to choose from.

Thanks in advance.

WannaGetFit

Anyone?

jh79

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Anyone?

All doctors advocate healthy eating.

WannaGetFit

Ok, let me be more specific.
I am looking for a Dr who believes in coming off blood pressure and cholesterol tablets in favour of a whole food plant based plan and will support it. One that I can meet, talk to and discuss my specific health with

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It might be a bit tricky to find someone who both has a medical degree and will "support" you doing something medically dangerous.

WannaGetFit

I see one post saying there is one in Dublin but the person hasn’t replied to me.
They are out there alright, at least worldwide, but I was hoping for one in Dublin.

weisses

Draven Shallow Panther wrote: »

It might be a bit tricky to find someone who both has a medical degree and will "support" you doing something medically dangerous.

Sooo if you do it right ...What is so "medically dangerous" about a plant based diet ? ... enlighten me

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weisses wrote: »

Sooo if you do it right ...What is so "medically dangerous" about a plant based diet ? ... enlighten me

Feck all, I'm on one myself.

Coming off blood pressure and cholesterol medication, on the other hand...

weisses

Draven Shallow Panther wrote: »

Feck all, I'm on one myself.

Coming off blood pressure and cholesterol medication, on the other hand...

But is it medically dangerous if you are on a proper plant based diet ?

jh79

What would this type of doctor do differently to any other doctor?

I'd assume all doctors would monitor cholesterol levels and reduce the dose accordingly.

WannaGetFit

Give moral support, hold my hand.
Give advice. My own GP wouldn’t do that because he doesn’t believe in it.
I would rather work with a Doctor who is going to be positive about it, not negative.

WannaGetFit

Also, maybe give examples of people he has helped do this. I want to do it but am a bit unsure.

jh79

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Give moral support, hold my hand.
Give advice. My own GP wouldn’t do that because he doesn’t believe in it.
I would rather work with a Doctor who is going to be positive about it, not negative.

Do you mind me asking what your doctor said about a whole plant diet?

Seems strange that a doctor would be negative about it.

WannaGetFit

So, when I started on cholesterol tablets my cholesterol was somewhere around 6.5. The cardiologist put me on cholesterol tablets because all my family have had heart problems.
Next time I was at my GP, maybe six months to a year later my cholesterol was 4.2 or 3.9 or something like that. My GP was delighted. But when I said that I had changed my diet and maybe it helped he said there is no way a diet could change your cholesterol that much.
There ye have it.

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weisses wrote: »

But is it medically dangerous if you are on a proper plant based diet ?

Is what medically dangerous? Stopping medication or the diet?

jh79

WannaGetFit wrote: »

So, when I started on cholesterol tablets my cholesterol was somewhere around 6.5. The cardiologist put me on cholesterol tablets because all my family have had heart problems.
Next time I was at my GP, maybe six months to a year later my cholesterol was 4.2 or 3.9 or something like that. My GP was delighted. But when I said that I had changed my diet and maybe it helped he said there is no way a diet could change your cholesterol that much.
There ye have it.

Don't think the doctor was being negative just giving his professional opinion.

Why do you think it was your diet rather than the medicine?

jh79

WannaGetFit wrote: »

So, when I started on cholesterol tablets my cholesterol was somewhere around 6.5. The cardiologist put me on cholesterol tablets because all my family have had heart problems.
Next time I was at my GP, maybe six months to a year later my cholesterol was 4.2 or 3.9 or something like that. My GP was delighted. But when I said that I had changed my diet and maybe it helped he said there is no way a diet could change your cholesterol that much.
There ye have it.

From Dr Google diet and lifestyle changes can reduce cholesterol by up to 20%.

Looks like your Doctor was right.

WannaGetFit

Because there are Drs and articles out there that say so.
I’d rather try it than take pills for the rest of my life.

WannaGetFit

jh79 wrote: »

WannaGetFit wrote: »

So, when I started on cholesterol tablets my cholesterol was somewhere around 6.5. The cardiologist put me on cholesterol tablets because all my family have had heart problems.
Next time I was at my GP, maybe six months to a year later my cholesterol was 4.2 or 3.9 or something like that. My GP was delighted. But when I said that I had changed my diet and maybe it helped he said there is no way a diet could change your cholesterol that much.
There ye have it.

From Dr Google diet and lifestyle changes can reduce cholesterol by up to 20%.

Looks like your Doctor was right.

Depends on who you want to believe.

weisses

Draven Shallow Panther wrote: »

Is what medically dangerous? Stopping medication or the diet?

Both .... One being the result of the other ... when properly monitored

WannaGetFit

Look at “Forks over Knives” on Netflix if u like.

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weisses wrote: »

Both .... One being the result of the other ... when properly monitored

Genetics and age are two of the most significant risk factors for high blood pressure. Diet and lifestyle are other factors, but a plant based diet is not going to change when you were born or who to.

Plant based diet = not dangerous

Ceasing medication prescribed for something that can lead to heart disease and stroke, when there's a family history of same = dangerous.

Pretty simple.

WannaGetFit

Draven Shallow Panther wrote: »

weisses wrote: »

Both .... One being the result of the other ... when properly monitored

Genetics and age are two of the most significant risk factors for high blood pressure. Diet and lifestyle are other factors, but a plant based diet is not going to change when you were born or who to.

Plant based diet = not dangerous

Ceasing medication prescribed for something that can lead to heart disease and stroke, when there's a family history of same = dangerous.

Pretty simple.

There has been much research in the last 30 years that indicates genetics have nothing to do high blood pressure or heart disease.
Some people never heard that. Some have and choose not to believe it. Some believe it. I just happen to want to believe it.
I don’t mind if you believe it or not. Not trying to sell any lifestyle etc.
Just looking for a Dr. that suits me.

jh79

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Look at “Forks over Knives” on Netflix if u like.

Science behind that seems a bit dodgy.

https://deniseminger.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/

WannaGetFit

Yes of course you will get a review that puts it down. All probably paid for by the drug companies.

jive

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Yes of course you will get a review that puts it down. All probably paid for by the drug companies.

As if the drug companies would bother pay for bad reviews for a movie which promotes a plant based diet. As someone who eats a plant based diet I hate this daft paranoia about drug companies.

Find a GP who is open to or follows such a diet so they have helpful advice on that lifestyle choice (looking out for B12 etc). You’re on drugs because they work and you had reason to be put on them. If you no longer need them then any decent GP will not prescribe them for you - you will either need them or you won’t.

jh79

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Yes of course you will get a review that puts it down. All probably paid for by the drug companies.

Drugs obviously worked for you!

calfmuscle

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Yes of course you will get a review that puts it down. All probably paid for by the drug companies.

Yes of course you will get information to support plant based diet to cure everything. All probably paid for by the alternative health companies.

Sure throw the statins in the bin and just bath in coconut milk instead...

WannaGetFit

jive wrote: »

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Yes of course you will get a review that puts it down. All probably paid for by the drug companies.

As if the drug companies would bother pay for bad reviews for a movie which promotes a plant based diet. As someone who eats a plant based diet I hate this daft paranoia about drug companies.

Find a GP who is open to or follows such a diet so they have helpful advice on that lifestyle choice (looking out for B12 etc). You’re on drugs because they work and you had reason to be put on them. If you no longer need them then any decent GP will not prescribe them for you - you will either need them or you won’t.

Really? Look for a GP? Did u read my first post?
There are false reviews on everything these days. You have got to be kidding me thinking drugs companies wouldn’t be bothered.

WannaGetFit

jh79 wrote: »

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Yes of course you will get a review that puts it down. All probably paid for by the drug companies.

Drugs obviously worked for you!

I know they worked for me and still do. I never said they didn’t. I am just looking for an alternative.

WannaGetFit

calfmuscle wrote: »

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Yes of course you will get a review that puts it down. All probably paid for by the drug companies.

Yes of course you will get information to support plant based diet to cure everything. All probably paid for by the alternative health companies.

Sure throw the statins in the bin and just bath in coconut milk instead...

I plan to. Sounds great.

jive

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Really? Look for a GP? Did u read my first post?
There are false reviews on everything these days. You have got to be kidding me thinking drugs companies wouldn’t be bothered.

Maybe you should google it then because plenty of doctors come up.

Yeh I’m sure drug companies like Pfizer are paying for bad reviews of forks over knives on obscure online sites. They’re probably desperate to stop everyone going plant based on the back of viewing that movie in case it puts a huge dent in their nearly 2 billion dollar sales of Lipitor, a drug which made nearly $150 billion while on patent. Seems likely.

WannaGetFit

jive wrote: »

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Really? Look for a GP? Did u read my first post?
There are false reviews on everything these days. You have got to be kidding me thinking drugs companies wouldn’t be bothered.

Maybe you should google it then because plenty of doctors come up.


Yeh I’m sure drug companies like Pfizer are paying for bad reviews of forks over knives on obscure online sites. They’re probably desperate to stop everyone going plant based on the back of viewing that movie in case it puts a huge dent in their nearly 2 billion dollar sales of Lipitor, a drug which made nearly $150 billion while on patent. Seems likely.

MDs? In Dublin? I see one. What did u search for?
Maybe you are right about the drugs companies. Doesn’t matter. Point is there are good and bad reviews for everything these days.

jh79

WannaGetFit wrote: »

MDs? In Dublin? I see one. What did u search for?
Maybe you are right about the drugs companies. Doesn’t matter. Point is there are good and bad reviews for everything these days.

It's not a movie review, it's a reveiw of the science and how it is misrepresented in the movie.

The claims made by Forks Over Knives and similar films like Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead are not true. These types of diets offer no benefits over a balanced diet and they won't cure you of anything.

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

It's not a movie review, it's a reveiw of the science and how it is misrepresented in the movie.

The claims made by Forks Over Knives and similar films like Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead are not true. These types of diets offer no benefits over a balanced diet and they won't cure you of anything.

Forks over knives and fat, sick and nearly dead are not similar movies. Not even close.

jh79

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Forks over knives and fat, sick and nearly dead are not similar movies. Not even close.

Similar in the sense that the claims they make are not backed by science.

weisses

WannaGetFit wrote: »

I know they worked for me and still do. I never said they didn’t. I am just looking for an alternative.

Diabetes is tricky but personally I would not hesitate to get my cholesterol checked prior to going "Plant based" leave the pills for a while and get a blood test done again or ask your GP If he dismisses the idea that a proper diet can reduce your cholesterol I would start looking for another GP ( that is my personal opinion of course)

I am not saying you should do the above ... But i did something similar re cholesterol and I know people with diabetes who kept a close eye on their glucose levels with their home testers while being on a plant based diet

You can monitor yourself relatively easy

jh79

weisses wrote: »

Diabetes is tricky but personally I would not hesitate to get my cholesterol checked prior to going "Plant based" leave the pills for a while and get a blood test done again or ask your GP If he dismisses the idea that a proper diet can reduce your cholesterol I would start looking for another GP ( that is my personal opinion of course)

I am not saying you should do the above ... But i did something similar re cholesterol and I know people with diabetes who kept a close eye on their glucose levels with their home testers while being on a plant based diet

You can monitor yourself relatively easy

In general can't see any doctor having a problem with that except that they would say that reducing red meat intake would be sufficient and no extra advantage would be gained from a purely plant based diet.

The OP's situation is complicated by his family history. The risk to the OP is greater. Any responsible doctor will insist on doing what's proven to work.

My cholesterol is over 6, my doctor told me just to keep an eye on it. But my family doesn't have a history of heart disease.

Ignore films like Forks Over Knives they are mostly a load of BS.

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

In general can't see any doctor having a problem with that except that they would say that reducing red meatprotein intake would be sufficient and no extra advantage would be gained from a purely plant based diet.

Exchange red meat for protein .. Its not only red meat that is the issue

jh79 wrote: »

The OP's situation is complicated by his family history. The risk to the OP is greater. Any responsible doctor will insist on doing what's proven to work.

Which in many cases is a pharmaceutical "solution"

Let food be thy medicine and let medicine be thy food ... said by a wise man

jh79 wrote: »

Ignore films like Forks Over Knives they are mostly a load of BS.

Garth Davis is a good source imo

jh79

weisses wrote: »

Exchange red meat for protein .. Its not only red meat that is the issue



Which in many cases is a pharmaceutical "solution"

Let food be thy medicine and let medicine be thy food ... said by a wise man



Garth Davis is a good source imo

That was said by a wise man in 370 BC. Clinical trials and population based studies tell us he wasn't that wise after all.

Garth Davis contributed to "What the Health", another movie that cherry picks and mis represents scientific studies.

jigglypuffstuff

WannaGetFit wrote: »

Ok, let me be more specific.
I am looking for a Dr who believes in coming off blood pressure and cholesterol tablets in favour of a whole food plant based plan and will support it. One that I can meet, talk to and discuss my specific health with

From reading this...it appears to be the following

You are not looking for a doctor to tell you the Truth from their many years of education.

You are looking for a doctor to give you permission to do something you've already decided you want to do .

Inevitably if anything goes wrong the blame will fall on their shoulders, not yours

With the greatest respect, can you see the issue with that??

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

That was said by a wise man in 370 BC. Clinical trials and population based studies tell us he wasn't that wise after all.

Garth Davis contributed to "What the Health", another movie that cherry picks and mis represents scientific studies.

What is it that Dr Davis says that makes no sense ? Im all ears ... no general swiping statements please

weisses

pone2012 wrote: »

From reading this...it appears to be the following

You are not looking for a doctor to tell you the Truth from their many years of education.

Truth is that when it comes to food, medical training is inadequate .... to say the least ... So they cannot give proper advise .... they are trained to prescribe medicine

The amount of nutrition education in medical schools remains inadequate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

jigglypuffstuff

weisses wrote: »

Truth is that when it comes to food, medical training is inadequate .... to say the least ... So they cannot give proper advise .... they are trained to prescribe medicine



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

I'm well aware of the pitfalls of nutritional understanding in medical schools

But read OPs post..we are talking about medicine...and abstaining from in favour of a diet that lacks nutritionally... which as pointed out is not a good idea

Doctor's are more than qualified to advise in that case..we are talking about actual medicine here Incase you missed that?

weisses

pone2012 wrote: »

I'm well aware of the pitfalls of nutritional understanding in medical schools

But read OPs post..we are talking about medicine...and abstaining from in favour of a diet that lacks nutritionally... which as pointed out is not a good idea

Doctor's are more than qualified to advise in that case..we are talking about actual medicine here Incase you missed that?

Since you are aware you must also be aware the part in bold is nonsensical right ?


Yes I already said doctors are trained to prescribe medicine ... big pharma makes sure they do

jigglypuffstuff

weisses wrote: »

Since you are aware you must also be aware the part in bold is nonsensical right ?


Yes I already said doctors are trained to prescribe medicine ... big pharma makes sure they do

Please spare me the big pharma nonsense
There are people with congenital predisposition to such issues....they need medication..plant based or not ...

I'm not into discussion of busines so try another person to pursue that narrative with... and I'm more than aware if the pitfalls of the biomedical reactive model of healthcare... again I'll tell you pursue that narrative with another person

Any nutritionist would be of the same opinion...and certainly in no way tell somebody to cease medication in favour of food.. unless of course they like potentially threatening their life and facing possible lawsuits.. doctor or nutritionist..the results will be the same

Read again the OP...the poster wants a "yes " person to agree with them and their perception of what is right..not an objective medical professionals opinion...

jh79

weisses wrote: »

What is it that Dr Davis says that makes no sense ? Im all ears ... no general swiping statements please

Never said he makes no sense.

Never heard of the guy. But What the Health, which he contributed to according to google, cherry picks and misrepresents scientific studies. That rings alarm bells for me.

Tar.Aldarion

Just eat the healthy diet while on the drugs, if your numbers are good you can then talk toa doctor about reducing your medication if they see fit. Don't do a steve jobs to yourself.

weisses

pone2012 wrote: »

Please spare me the big pharma nonsense
There are people with congenital predisposition to such issues....they need medication..plant based or not ...

Then in return please spare me the utter nonsense that a proper plant based diet lacks nutrition ....

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

Never said he makes no sense.

Never heard of the guy. But What the Health, which he contributed to according to google, cherry picks and misrepresents scientific studies. That rings alarm bells for me.

Then maybe you need to actually spend some time researching what he says instead of forming an opinion on a quick google search .. Did you check his contribution on the What the health movie ?

weisses

pone2012 wrote: »

Read again the OP...the poster wants a "yes " person to agree with them and their perception of what is right..not an objective medical professionals opinion...

Maybe read the op again ... And leave your bias out of it

You can give an objective medical opinion as a proffesional

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5466941/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-right-plant-based-diet-for-you

http://nutritionstudies.org/top-10-plant-based-research-and-news-stories-2016/