Hyundai Kona EV pre orders open

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

The Carlow dealer claimed they knew nothing about the EV version of the Kona and were waiting for the diesel that's all they're interested in and were disappointed that there is no Diesel version now.

Did you really expect anything different? If I went to Hyundai Cavan I bet they wouldnt have a f**king clue Hyundai sell electric cars at all :P

Lol no , I certainly didn't expect anything different.

I just walked out of the dealer and shock my head really, nothing has changed since the leaf first went to sale.......

Dglflyer

Selling electric cars ruins their bottom line , no after sales service or myriad of issues that need to be fixed,  timing belts , 
head gaskets,  fuel injectors..  you name it .   The penny has not dropped with them yet that If you are not making all your cars electric by 2025 you wont be making cars at all.  Thats why some are still pushing Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles ,  more parts , more to fix .  A lot of car companies are going to get "Kodak-ed"

ethernet

Dglflyer wrote: »

Have pinged HYundai Ireland on Facebook , they are usually pretty good with replies but I would expect the same answer your local dealer is giving. Time will tell

I messaged them a few weeks ago and got this in response:
"The electric KONA is likely to arrive in dealerships for 182 but we cannot confirm that for definite as of yet. Hyundai Ireland expects to be in a position to confirm that in the next month or so."

liamog

I did a comparision between the Kona Electric and Kona Petrol to give people an idea of the costs and specs. I've compared the 64kWh to the 1.6 T-GDI as it's the closest in spec/performance. I've priced the cost per 100km using a 90% efficiency on a night rate home charger.

An average Irish driver does 17,000km, over 3 years the cars basically cost the same and you get a more powerful car.

Model | Kona Electric 64kWh | Kona 1.6 T-GDI
Fuel Consumption | 14.3 kWh/100km | 6.7 L/100km
Range | 470 km | 746 km
Power | 150 kW | 130 kW
Torque | 395 Nm | 265 Nm
Price | €35,000.00 | €30,000.00
Fuel Cost | €0.07 / kWh | €1.349 / L
Cost per 100km | €1.11 | €9.04
Cost per 17000km | €189.08 | €1,536.51
Tax per year | €120.00 | €390.00
Cost per year | €309.08 | €1,926.51

liamog

For argument's sake a 3 year personal loan of €5,000 @8.5% would have a credit cost of €657.
So for an average driver, it will cost you an extra €650 for the first 3 years.

grogi

liamog wrote: »

For argument's sake a 3 year personal loan of €5,000 @8.5% would have a credit cost of €657.
So for an average driver, it will cost you an extra €650 for the first 3 years.

Why would you borrow at 8.5% when getting a new car?!

liamog

grogi wrote: »

Why would you borrow at 8.5% when getting a new car?!

First loan I picked from BOI
Trying to make sure certain posters who believe the Kona may be the most expensive car in the world can't pick holes in my figures.

Shefwedfan

grogi wrote: »

Why would you borrow at 8.5% when getting a new car?!

The banks have to make money as well you know

But the diesel will save you loads of money lol.

14.3 Kwh/100 kms ? that's some efficiency if correct that would make it about 2 .6Kw 100/km more efficient than the i3 if that's the EPA result.

That would get about 19.4 Kwh/100 km on the motorway at 120 Km/h or about 329 Kms to empty with 64 usable Kwh that's not bad at all. So say about 300 kms before you get to a charger. Or get into town charge up on AC and if you got the time return trip without charging or significantly less.

positron

Wow, 270 euro cheaper to tax! It will sell based on that alone.. :P

thelikelylad

Deleted User wrote: »

14.3 Kwh/100 kms ? that's some efficiency if correct that would make it about 2 .6Kw 100/km more efficient than the i3 if that's the EPA result.

EPA estimate should be closer to 16kWh/100km (64kWh/400km) according to the Hyundai US press release.

unkel

liamog wrote: »

For argument's sake a 3 year personal loan of €5,000 @8.5% would have a credit cost of €657.
So for an average driver, it will cost you an extra €650 for the first 3 years.

That's presuming that both cars have the same depreciation. I'd say the long range EV will depreciate considerably less.

Out of interest, would you put a third column in comparing the cheapest petrol Kona as well? A lot of people will be going for the 191 reg, not caring what they are getting as long as the tax is chape and the plate is new

KCross

And also do figures for, say, 30k km per year.

Dglflyer

http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3046879&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

Looks like the price will be more in line with previous estimates and the 49k was a bit of a red herring

Shefwedfan

Dglflyer wrote: »

http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3046879&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

Looks like the price will be more in line with previous estimates and the 49k was a bit of a red herring

Small issue I see....just a small one

They wanted to sell 120,000

They already have preorders for 180,000 according to that website....those maths dont work

Dglflyer

I think that may be a typo,  another article said 18000 ....

thelikelylad

Dglflyer wrote: »

http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3046879&cloc=joongangdaily%7Chome|newslist1

Looks like the price will be more in line with previous estimates and the 49k was a bit of a red herring

Prices and specs are up on the Hyundai site in Korea.

From what I can see it comes in 2 trims, Modern and Premium. Notable specs and prices below - hope I've the numbers right. All prices before incentives:

Kona Modern 64kWh: €37.5k (KRW 49,522,500)
- 'Artificial' leather seats
- 8" infotainment display
- Rear parking sensors

Kona Premium 64kWh: €39k (KRW 51,652,500)
- Electronically adjustable front seats with memory
- HUD
- Front parking sensors


Options
- 39kWh battery -€2,600
- Winter package (Heat pump + battery heater) +€1,000
- Convenience package (ventilated seats, 8-way electronic seats, wireless phone charger) +€700
- Sunroof +€400
- Premium package (Natural leather seats, premium sound system) +€700
- 'Smart sense' (auto stop/go, highway assistance, blindspot) +€500


Comparing the above to the Korean prices for the Ioniq excl. options:

IONIQ N (base spec): €31.5k (KRW 41,694,750)
IONIQ Q (top spec): €34k (KRW 44,889,750)

EDIT: The IONIQ N + Options to bring it up to single Irish spec: €34k (KRW 45,044,750)


Haven't compared specs fully but interesting that the top spec Kona is +€5k more than top spec IONIQ.


Source: https://www.hyundai.com/kr/ko/vehicles/kona-electric/price
Source: https://www.hyundai.com/kr/ko/vehicles/ioniq-electric/price

Shefwedfan

thelikelylad wrote: »

Prices and specs are up on the Hyundai site in Korea.

From what I can see it comes in 2 trims, Modern and Premium. Notable specs and prices below - hope I've the numbers right. All prices before incentives:

Kona Modern 64kWh: €37.5k (KRW 49,522,500)
- 'Artificial' leather seats
- 8" infotainment display
- Rear parking sensors

Kona Premium 64kWh: €39k (KRW 51,652,500)
- Electronically adjustable front seats with memory
- HUD
- Front parking sensors


Options
- 39kWh battery -€2,600
- Winter package (Heat pump + battery heater) +€1,000
- Convenience package (ventilated seats, 8-way electronic seats, wireless phone charger) +€700
- Sunroof +€400
- Premium package (Natural leather seats, premium sound system) +€700
- 'Smart sense' (auto stop/go, highway assistance, blindspot) +€500

Excellent work!! thanks for spending the time and sharing

I guess the 64kWh comes with all of the optional items on the 64kWh?

Based on the above Ireland will get the Modern pack...doubt we would get options

grogi

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I guess the 64kWh comes with all of the optional items on the 64kWh?

Based on the above Ireland will get the Modern pack...doubt we would get options

No, why? There is discount for going with smaller battery, premium for extras on cars with both types of battery

Shefwedfan

grogi wrote: »

No, why? There is discount for going with smaller battery, premium for extras on cars with both types of battery

Sorry I read it wrong....I thought the optional stuff was for lower battery

So really it is 40k....

Will wait for the Niro

thelikelylad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Sorry I read it wrong....I thought the optional stuff was for lower battery

So really it is 40k....

Will wait for the Niro

Yeah I guess. The €5k SEAI grant should bring it down to €35k.

Modern 64kWh €37,500
+Winter pack €1,000
+Smart sense €500
- €5k


Not sure how to interpret the prices though. According to the Korean website it looks like an Ioniq spec'd up to the Irish spec is €34k vs €28k list price here Would have thought it would be a lot cheaper in the motherland. Perhaps the korean price has some sales tax / VRT added onto it :P

thierry14

liamog wrote: »

I did a comparision between the Kona Electric and Kona Petrol to give people an idea of the costs and specs. I've compared the 64kWh to the 1.6 T-GDI as it's the closest in spec/performance. I've priced the cost per 100km using a 90% efficiency on a night rate home charger.

An average Irish driver does 17,000km, over 3 years the cars basically cost the same and you get a more powerful car.

Model | Kona Electric 64kWh | Kona 1.6 T-GDI
Fuel Consumption | 14.3 kWh/100km | 6.7 L/100km
Range | 470 km | 746 km
Power | 150 kW | 130 kW
Torque | 395 Nm | 265 Nm
Price | €35,000.00 | €30,000.00
Fuel Cost | €0.07 / kWh | €1.349 / L
Cost per 100km | €1.11 | €9.04
Cost per 17000km | €189.08 | €1,536.51
Tax per year | €120.00 | €390.00
Cost per year | €309.08 | €1,926.51

Might wanna add 3 or 4k to the price of 64kWh

Not a chance it will be 35k

Look at its competition

Leaf for 30k

They can charge what they like and people will pay

Its the start of long range EVs

Are they doing scrappage on Kona ICE?

Thats another few k off and no one will buy the top spec Kona ICE, will be 24k basic engine

Shefwedfan

thelikelylad wrote: »

Yeah I guess. The €5k SEAI grant should bring it down to €35k.

Modern 64kWh €37,500
+Winter pack €1,000
+Smart sense €500
- €5k


Not sure how to interpret the prices though. According to the Korean website it looks like an Ioniq spec'd up to the Irish spec is €34k vs €28k list price here Would have thought it would be a lot cheaper in the motherland. Perhaps the korean price has some sales tax / VRT added onto it :P

Cost of lving is 3% lower in South Korea so you would expect the car costs to be lower.

Dont have the time tonight but they make reference to the below to do a comparison

Volkswagen Golf 1.4 90 KW Trendline (Or Equivalent New Car)
Volkswagen Golf 1.4 90 KW Trendline (Or Equivalent New Car) 31,450,000.00 ₩

positron

thierry14 wrote: »

Are they doing scrappage on Kona ICE?

Thats another few k off and no one will buy the top spec Kona ICE, will be 24k basic engine

No scrappage deals for Ioniq and current Kona range last time I checked their website.

Buy a 2nd hand i3 Rex a lot more fun much better interior no range anxiety , charge if you want lol

That must have been your most useful post Thierry lol

Seriously though, what I got for 37.5 K.......

thelikelylad

Another interesting thing to note is the South Korean test cycle which is similiar to EPA.

Their figures for the Ioniq are pretty solid I think which makes the figures for the Kona even more impressive. 350km motorway range!

28kWh Ioniq: 200km (city center: 217km, highway: 179km)
39kWh Kona: 254km (city center: 282km, highway: 221km)
64kWh Kona: 406km (city center: 444km, highway: 359km)

liamog

Changed the efficiency consumption figures to match the Korean range figures.
Added the 39kWh assuming a €2,500 discount and the 1.0 Premium model.

And added the 30,000km for KCross and 24,000km because it's what I did in our Ioniq last year.

Model | Kona Electric 64kWh | Kona 1.6 T-GDI | Kona Electric 39kWh | Kona 1.0 T-GDI
Fuel Capacity (units) | 64 | 50 | 39 | 50
Fuel Consumption (units/100km) | 15.8 | 6.7 | 15.4 | 5.3
Range | 405.06 | 746.27 | 253.25 | 943.40
Engine Power (kW) | 150 | 130 | 99 | 88
Torque (Nm) | 395 | 265 | 395 | 172
Price | €35,000.00 | €30,000.00 | €32,500.00 | €26,000.00
Fuel Cost (per unit) | €0.07 | €1.35 | €0.07 | €1.35
Fuelling Efficency | 90% | 100% | 90% | 100%
Cost per 100km | €1.23 | €9.04 | €1.20 | €7.15
Tax per year | €120.00 | €390.00 | €120.00 | €270.00
Cost per year (17000km + Tax) | €328.91 | €1,926.51 | €323.62 | €1,485.45
Cost per year (24000km + Tax) | €414.93 | €2,559.19 | €407.47 | €1,985.93
Cost per year (30000km + Tax) | €488.67 | €3,101.49 | €479.33 | €2,414.91

Water John

Thanks for that. Basically around €1 per day, for electric running cost, incl tax.

jimmycrackcorm

thelikelylad wrote:

28kWh Ioniq: 200km (city center: 217km, highway: 179km) 39kWh Kona: 254km (city center: 282km, highway: 221km) 64kWh Kona: 406km (city center: 444km, highway: 359km)

It's love to see how the Ioniq with a 64kWh configuration would fare. 11 extra only adding 54km range for the 39 Kona...