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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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    #4862
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Straws in the wind? Emmet Flood replacing Ty Cobb on the Trump legal team. Emmet is the lawyer who represented Bill Clinton during his impeachmwnt. Story source, NYT.


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    #4863
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,300 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    What are your forecasts as to how this plays out?

    Impeachment?
    Subpoena?
    Firing of Rod et al?
    Resign?

    Stick it on the record now to be preserved for prosperity...


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    #4864
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,565 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Trump has already started tweeting his 'explanation' of the agreement and payments. Of course none of his tweets deals with the fact that he continuously denied even knowing about the deal, never mind setting up elaborate payment schemes to pay it.

    Nor has he commented on Cohen's lawyers continued lies about his client paying it out of his own funds and why Trump never stepped in to correct this.

    He is stating that he will charge Daniels with breach of the agreement, when any judge (IMO) would deem it right that Daniels took Trumps previous version of events to indicate that Cohen had done a solo run and as such was correct to assume the agreement was non binding.


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    #4865
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    everlast75 wrote: »
    What are your forecasts as to how this plays out?

    Impeachment?
    Subpoena?
    Firing of Rod et al?
    Resign?

    Stick it on the record now to be preserved for prosperity...

    He won't go without a fight. IMO, he'll lash out with all weapons available. First up will be Rosenstein and Mueller.

    As an aside, he's just confirmed Giuliani's statement with a tweet. Time to take a step back. The President of the most powerful nation on Earth is confirming on Twitter that he paid a porn star 130k to keep quiet about her allegations of their having an affair. Strange days indeed.


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    #4866
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    everlast75 wrote: »
    What are your forecasts as to how this plays out?

    Impeachment?
    Subpoena?
    Firing of Rod et al?
    Resign?

    1) Subpoena
    2) Firings
    3) Impeachment
    4) Resigning
    5) Pardon by Pence


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    #4867
    Panrich
    Registered Users Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭Panrich


    everlast75 wrote: »
    What are your forecasts as to how this plays out?

    Impeachment?
    Subpoena?
    Firing of Rod et al?
    Resign?

    Stick it on the record now to be preserved for prosperity...

    Well he's already puffing on twitter about getting close to having to step in as president and take control of proceedings, so he's probably already ordering cabs for Mueller, Rosenstein and anyone else who is in his line of sight.


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    #4868
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    He won't go without a fight. IMO, he'll lash out with all weapons available. First up will be Rosenstein and Mueller.

    As an aside, he's just confirmed Giuliani's statement with a tweet. Time to take a step back. The President of the most powerful nation on Earth is confirming on Twitter that he paid a porn star 130k to keep quiet about her allegations of their having an affair. Strange days indeed.

    Time to take stock.What are/have been his most outrageous/poor spirited statements or actions?

    Did any of them have any impact on the body of the electorate which supports him?


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    #4869
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Panrich wrote: »
    Well he's already puffing on twitter about getting close to having to step in as president and take control of proceedings, so he's probably already ordering cabs for Mueller, Rosenstein and anyone else who is in his line of sight.

    I wonder how the supreme court will view his attacks on the justice system.They are above his "influence",I suppose and they must surely view an attack on the FBI and the Justice dept as attacks on them in the longer term.

    This may end up in the S Court ,won't it?

    "first they came for the......"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...


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    #4870
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,300 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    amandstu wrote: »
    Time to take stock.What are/have been his most outrageous/poor spirited statements or actions?

    Did any of them have any impact on the body of the electorate which supports him?

    Directly? Probably not.

    Indirectly i.e. sanctions/trade war, loss of trust in America as a world leader, environmental issues (see Flint, or leaving the Paris Accord, or rowing back on emissions legislation, demeaning of the highest office in the land, legal costs being paid for multiple law suits, allowing misappropriation of hundreds of thousands of US taxpayer money)? Probably


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    #4871
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    amandstu wrote: »
    Time to take stock.What are/have been his most outrageous/poor spirited statements or actions?

    Did any of them have any impact on he body of the electorate which supports him?

    He is a dangerous narcissist who behaves appallingly on a personal level, who is utterly out of his depth as POTUS and who is trying to destroy pillars of American democracy such as the DoJ, FBI, the office of POTUS itself etc. So every thing he has done has been outrageous from that perspective.

    A large majority of his voters will continue to support him no matter what. However (I like to think that) there is a significant minority GOP lite voters and swing voters and who very much regret voting Trump. Their disillusionment and disgust should do serious damage to the GOP in the mid terms (hopefully).


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    #4872
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    everlast75 wrote: »
    What are your forecasts as to how this plays out?

    He has an advanced form of syphalis or some other severely degenerative disease that has been covered up


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    #4873
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,300 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    VinLieger wrote: »
    He has an advanced form of syphalis or some other severely degenerative disease that has been covered up

    Sorry - I actually burst out laughing when I read this, and then realised you were serious... and then I realised you might be correct!

    I have just seen this tweet..


    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991994433750142976


    I think Ms. Clifford's defamation case has had the main pleading amended... Keep digging Mr. Trump!


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    #4874
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    He is a dangerous narcissist who behaves appallingly on a personal level, who is utterly out of his depth as POTUS and who is trying to destroy pillars of American democracy such as the DoJ, FBI, the office of POTUS itself etc. So every thing he has done has been outrageous from that perspective.

    A large majority of his voters will continue to support him no matter what. However (I like to think that) there is a significant minority GOP lite voters and swing voters and who very much regret voting Trump. Their disillusionment and disgust should do serious damage to the GOP in the mid terms (hopefully).

    I have read that it is more re energisement of the Dem's that may do electoral "damage" rather than a fall off in his support.

    Also the huge increase in women candidates seems to presage something.

    I have expected his support to fall off a cliff from the outset so my judgement cannot be very good,though.


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    #4875
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,565 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    amandstu wrote: »
    Time to take stock.What are/have been his most outrageous/poor spirited statements or actions?

    Did any of them have any impact on the body of the electorate which supports him?

    No, but the body of people that support him is not anywhere close enough to get him, or the GOP what they need.

    As in all elections, it is the undecided voter than makes the difference. Last election they had a 'hated' HC to give them comfort in their decision to vote for Trump, and for sure the DNC could out up Jesus himself and still not gain any of the core voters, and in addition Trump has lost the 'outsider' tag, the give him a chance crowd.

    So whilst the numbers continually surprise me that they hold up as much as they do, without a dramatic change in the current trajectory of the POTUS then there is only one outcome.

    There are a number of things that can go in his favour. A NK deal would provide significant (albeit IMO short-term) bounce, if the economy and jobs continue to rise that will be very useful. On the flipside, there is massive winds coming toward the US, down in large part to Trump himself. He has promised a return of coal and steel jobs, yet has delivered little on either on his 'tariffs' plans has so many exceptions as to be almost meaningless. He has massively inflated government spending and the debt, is the economy fails to catch faire (it is merely bumbling at the moment) this could cause serious problems

    He still has to find a way to pay for, and then build, the wall. This was his key selling point with many voters, and unlike GDP or debt levels, this is easily seen as being done or not. Failure to get it done will call into serious question, again for those floating voters, whether he can deliver.

    Based on his approach so far, one would think that Trump would need to divert all his energy and focus to getting the wall built, thus taking his eye of the other things he needs to do.


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    #4876
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    amandstu wrote: »
    I have read that it is more re energisement of the Dem's that may do electoral "damage" rather than a fall off in his support.

    Also the huge increase in women candidates seems to presage something.

    I have expected his support to fall off a cliff from the outset so my judgement cannot be very good,though.

    Yeah me too. How people can continue to support him and think he does a good job is beyond me.


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    #4877
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Sorry - I actually burst out laughing when I read this, and then realised you were serious... and then I realised you might be correct!

    I have just seen this tweet..


    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991994433750142976


    I think Ms. Clifford's defamation case has had the main pleading amended... Keep digging Mr. Trump!

    Im deadly serious about the syphalis, it can take 20-30 years to really become apparent and we all know how trump has boasted about how much he slept around in the late 80's and 90's.

    Look at an interview of Trump from back during the 80's and early 90's compared to anything from the last 5 years and you will notice a HUGE difference.

    The way they treated his medical records indicates theres something serious he doesnt want getting out.


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    #4878
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    In all of this, I wonder how Melania feels about her husband admitting that he paid a porn star money to stay quiet about an alleged affair. How will it be for her to appear in public with him? Maybe she sold out her self-respect and knew what she was getting into. Or maybe she had convinced herself that the allegations were untrue. Either way, reality must be dawning now.


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    #4879
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭amandstu


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Im deadly serious about the syphalis, it can take 20-30 years to really become apparent and we all know how trump has boasted about how much he slept around in the late 80's and 90's.

    Look at an interview of Trump from back during the 80's and early 90's compared to anything from the last 5 years and you will notice a HUGE difference.

    The way they treated his medical records indicates theres something serious he doesnt want getting out.

    It was one of the more credible rumours regarding his health. The story has been around a long time. It does not stretch credulity.It is hardly an exotic disease.

    If true ,it could be the most serious developement imo.


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    #4880
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    In all of this, I wonder how Melania feels about her husband admitting that he paid a porn star money to stay quiet about an alleged affair. How will it be for her to appear in public with him? Maybe she sold out her self-respect and knew what she was getting into. Or maybe she had convinced herself that the allegations were untrue. Either way, reality must be dawning now.

    Youve seen the incredibly awkward attempted hand holding from the Macron visit?


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    #4881
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Youve seen the incredibly awkward attempted hand holding from the Macron visit?

    Yeah. There are numerous examples on Youtube of the discord between them in their body language. I'd say she can't wait until she stops being FLOTUS so that she can leave him.


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    #4882
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭amandstu


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Youve seen the incredibly awkward attempted hand holding from the Macron visit?
    What ,with his wife?


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    #4883
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,565 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    In all of this, I wonder how Melania feels about her husband admitting that he paid a porn star money to stay quiet about an alleged affair. How will it be for her to appear in public with him? Maybe she sold out her self-respect and knew what she was getting into. Or maybe she had convinced herself that the allegations were untrue. Either way, reality must be dawning now.

    Why would she feel anything? Did she feel anything about his other affairs? ABout him ripping off students in Trump university? About the Pussy gate tapes? About claiming that women were too ugly for his to sleep with as a defence?

    There seems to be this whole narrative that somehow Melania is an unwitting prisoner in all this, trust into the WH against her will. Yet she was a key feature in reducing the blowback from Pussy Gate by giving the TV interview to claim it was locker room talk and boys will be boys. That really helped.

    And you can be sure whatever is dawning on her, it is considerably eased by the wealth and comfort that she has got in return.


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    #4884
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Why would she feel anything? Did she feel anything about his other affairs? ABout him ripping off students in Trump university? About the Pussy gate tapes? About claiming that women were too ugly for his to sleep with as a defence?

    There seems to be this whole narrative that somehow Melania is an unwitting prisoner in all this, trust into the WH against her will. Yet she was a key feature in reducing the blowback from Pussy Gate by giving the TV interview to claim it was locker room talk and boys will be boys. That really helped.

    And you can be sure whatever is dawning on her, it is considerably eased by the wealth and comfort that she has got in return.

    Whatever about her veniality (if it is/was ) she presumably lives for her son. What choices does she have now?


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    #4885
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    amandstu wrote: »
    What ,with his wife?

    Yup

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz-hthhQ5dg


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    #4886
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,565 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    amandstu wrote: »
    Whatever about her veniality (if it is/was ) she presumably lives for her son. What choices does she have?

    She, more than most women, has plenty of choices.

    The choice she is making is to stay. Whether that is out of love, a sense of duty, not believing the stories, I don't know.

    But it is the only choice she has made and she could make pretty much any choice she wanted.


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    #4887
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    How will it be for her to appear in public with him?

    It is really obvious when they are together that she hates his guts, but she has Barron to worry about.


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    #4888
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,565 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    It is really obvious when they are together that she hates his guts, but she has Barron to worry about.

    Sorry, I'm not buying that. Worry about Barron? Like would he lose a place to live, or have no income? Maybe have trouble finding a new school?

    Come on now. These are clearly issues that effect many people when stuck in a bad relationship, but it is not the case here.

    I actually find it terrible the way she acts in front of the cameras, it makes a joke of the POTUS in front of the whole world. If she doesn't want to be there then don't be, if you don't want to hold hands then say so. This continual public humiliation of her husband (and I would say the same the opposite way before anyone has a go) is uncalled for. The man is POTUS, she is FLOTUS. Both carry certain responsibilities. Either get with the program of get out.

    That doesn't mean she isn't scared to leave him (not in a physically way but scared to go on her own). But everyone feels like that, hell even leaving a job has that element.


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    #4889
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Sorry, I'm not buying that. Worry about Barron? Like would he lose a place to live, or have no income? Maybe have trouble finding a new school?

    Id say shes worried about custody, who knows what kind of insane pre-nup she has signed with what kind of bonkers clauses are in it.

    Im not saying shes in the right as she should have known well what she was getting in to but also i think dismissing that she could be worried about her son is a bit heartless too.


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    #4890
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,565 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Yeah, hadn't thought of the custody angle.

    However, I doubt any court would take a child away from a mother with the means and clear stability that Melania has. But I agree, depending on the pre-nup, this might be a risk she is not prepared to take.


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    #4891
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,471 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Yeah, hadn't thought of the custody angle.

    However, I doubt any court would take a child away from a mother with the means and clear stability that Melania has. But I agree, depending on the pre-nup, this might be a risk she is not prepared to take.

    There is the emotional/personal morality side which is huge and which one can only guess at.


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