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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III
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Tell me... If Hannity did invest in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics, what does it have to do with Russian collusion in the 2016 elections? This investigation has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime, IMO.From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments. My financial investor invests for me. I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in. I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them. And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch! And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen? Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?
notobtuse, I would have thought that at this stage you would know that the very least you should do is to wait. Anyone that ever comes out early to defend Trump or anything to do with him invariably ends up looking foolish as the real truth comes out.
It follows a similar pattern.
Journo: You guys were up to X
Trump/supporters: No way, fake news, your a HC supporter
Journo2: We have some documents to prove that
Trump/supporters: Yeah well, at least we love America and last year you printed something that was wrong so .....ObamaClinton!
So Hannity comes out with the following:
"It is ironic that I am being attacked for investing my personal money in communities that badly needed such investment"
So which is it. HE didn't know or he wants the credit? Because the line you went off is that this is little more than an investment fund, third party. It could be in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics.
So which one of you going to go with?You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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Lawyers usually have many clients. In my opinion it was only a fishing expedition by Mueller to get the judge to get Hannity’s information. And I understand the judge wasn’t going to demand to know Cohen’s clients, but was talked into it by CNN and The NY Times with hunt lawyers. WTF? Isn’t this Mueller’s investigation? I doubt anyone with any common sense thought Hannity would be involved in some shady Russia or porn star deal. It has now become Mueller going off the rails.
And it was Attorney/Client privileged. I wonder how much more ignoring law we will see out of Mueller. What good did finding out Hannity’s name do the investigation other than to help to try and destroy the conservative pundit?
We’ll agree to disagree on the Hannity/Clinton comparison.
Political favors from HUD or Trump??? I bet no one even knew Hannity’s name was associated with the group that bought the distressed properties. And there were probably several other high profile celebrity names associated with that group. Perhaps we should drag all their names through the mud.
Help to try and destroy Hanitty? Yes please. Got no problem with that. Karma's a bitch as they say. The idea that Hanitty just happened to be Cohen's other client, apart from The Donald and the odious Eliot, is laughable. You'd need two lobotomies to believe that's just a coincidence.0 -
Tell me... If Hannity did invest in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics, what does it have to do with Russian collusion in the 2016 elections? This investigation has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime, IMO.From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments. My financial investor invests for me. I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in. I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them. And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch! And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen? Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?
notobtuse, I would have thought that at this stage you would know that the very least you should do is to wait. Anyone that ever comes out early to defend Trump or anything to do with him invariably ends up looking foolish as the real truth comes out.
It follows a similar pattern.
Journo: You guys were up to X
Trump/supporters: No way, fake news, your a HC supporter
Journo2: We have some documents to prove that
Trump/supporters: Yeah well, at least we love America and last year you printed something that was wrong so .....ObamaClinton!
So Hannity comes out with the following:
"It is ironic that I am being attacked for investing my personal money in communities that badly needed such investment"
So which is it. HE didn't know or he wants the credit? Because the line you went off is that this is little more than an investment fund, third party. It could be in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics.
So which one of you going to go with?
Nothing, and nobody said it did. Even you stated that it wasn't the state looking for public knowledge of the 3rd client, that was the media calling for freedom of the press.
What it does show is that nothing Hannity says in relation to Cohen or Trump can be seen as anything other than biased.
From people that seem so concerned about fake news, it is staggering the lengths you are willing to go to avoid having to admit that one of the main cheerleaders for Trump is so compromised.0 -
Lawyers usually have many clients. In my opinion it was only a fishing expedition by Mueller to get the judge to get Hannity’s information. And I understand the judge wasn’t going to demand to know Cohen’s clients, but was talked into it by CNN and The NY Times with hunt lawyers. WTF? Isn’t this Mueller’s investigation? I doubt anyone with any common sense thought Hannity would be involved in some shady Russia or porn star deal. It has now become Mueller going off the rails.
And it was Attorney/Client privileged. I wonder how much more ignoring law we will see out of Mueller. What good did finding out Hannity’s name do the investigation other than to help to try and destroy the conservative pundit.
We’ll agree to disagree on the Hannity/Clinton comparison.
Political favors from HUD or Trump. I bet no one even knew Hannity’s name was associated with the group that bought the distressed properties. And there were probably several other high profile celebrity names associated with that group. Perhaps we should drag all their names through the mud.
Well that's three disclaimers on your part for Sean - excluding this apparent insider information claim [And I understand the judge wasn’t going to demand to know Cohen’s clients, but was talked into it by CNN and The NY Times with hunt lawyers] - plus an attempt at misleading us [WTF? Isn’t this Mueller’s investigation?] which legally it isn't. In effect he's recused himself from the NY investigation. That last is pretty fair for an attempt at the truth.
Sean Hannity has not denied the core of the story, that he has invested in properties previously used as their homesby people who had to move out after foreclosure by the banks, instead he has confirmed his ownership of such seized properties, even if he say's he did not know the exact details of his investments.
Edit: re the actual news that SH has investments in property, is that info about SH's investments just info from a breaking news story or part of the ongoing NYC investigation? If it's NOT a discovery made by NYC investigators ot the other [Special Counsel] investigation, then are you making a mistake in putting the discovery down to them?0 -
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notobtuse, I would have thought that at this stage you would know that the very least you should do is to wait. Anyone that ever comes out early to defend Trump or anything to do with him invariably ends up looking foolish as the real truth comes out.
This can't be said enough. It happens over and over again. It's probably why that guy keeps closing and opening a new account. It used to be "No, Trump's innocent. It's all a hoax from the Democrats. Fake news". Now it's "There's no way Cohen will rat him out".
You would think that being wrong so often would be a cause for self reflection.0 -
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Honestly don't know what to make of this big deal? Or just a other day in Trump world?0 -
LeinsterDub wrote: »https://twitter.com/funder/status/988517173051183104?s=20
Honestly don't know what to make of this big deal? Or just a other day in Trump world?
In pantheon of The Donald's lies, it's just one more. However, it lends further credence to the Golden Shower tapes and the possibility that he is utterly compromised.0 -
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LeinsterDub wrote: »https://twitter.com/funder/status/988517173051183104?s=20
Honestly don't know what to make of this big deal? Or just a other day in Trump world?Professor Moriarty wrote: »In pantheon of The Donald's lies, it's just one more. However, it lends further credence to the Golden Shower tapes and the possibility that he is utterly compromised.
I sometimes wonder about this..
I think that Trump is just a reflexive liar , in that he just says whatever he thinks is most appropriate at that specific moment in time without any consideration for the truth.
So it's actually hard to know if the lie was told explicitly to hide the truth or if the lie was told because that's just what came out of his mouth right then....
He lies so often about such utterly ridiculous and easily proved/disproved things that it's actually hard to discern if there's a plan behind it.0 -
Tell me... If Hannity did invest in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics, what does it have to do with Russian collusion in the 2016 elections? This investigation has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime, IMO.
What? I mean what? This makes no sense.
The investigation has little to do with Hannity. Nothing in fact given Mueller's probe didn't even conduct the raid on Cohen's. They merely found the evidence that lead to it and passed it to the relevant authorities as one would expect when they find something out of their role.
Mueller is doing his own thing. This is just the hilarity that Hannity was pumping up the administration for his own benefit. He has both claimed to know and not know where the funds where invested so he has already mixed up his sorry. I mean how else would he known he was helping invest in the community?0 -
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I sometimes wonder about this..
I think that Trump is just a reflexive liar , in that he just says whatever he thinks is most appropriate at that specific moment in time without any consideration for the truth.
So it's actually hard to know if the lie was told explicitly to hide the truth or if the lie was told because that's just what came out of his mouth right then....
He lies so often about such utterly ridiculous and easily proved/disproved things that it's actually hard to discern if there's a plan behind it.
I agree. It's instinctual. However, there is a reason why he lied on such a serious question, that is for sure. It may be just to deflect attention away from any association he may have had with Russians, or the possibility of such association, or it maybe because he is very afraid of something. There isn't any overall plan though. There isn't any tangled web. He's simply not that bright.0 -
Trump the deal maker swaying RP to get his guy in, I assume Iran are about to capitulate to the Don as we speak just like North Korea did, bet Iran are wishing the president was still someone they could easily push around, not any more! Only question now is where will the Donald keep his Nobel peace prize?0
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Pepefrogok wrote: »Trump the deal maker swaying RP to get his guy in, I assume Iran are about to capitulate to the Don as we speak just like North Korea did, bet Iran are wishing the president was still someone they could easily push around, not any more! Only question now is where will the Donald keep his Nobel peace prize?
So far his deal making involves throwing it away and then come crawling back to be told nah, we'll wait for the next guy.
You lot and your peace prizes. It's funny watching how desperately they want Trump to be the exact same as Obama.0 -
BabyCheeses wrote: »So far his deal making involves throwing it away and then come crawling back to be told nah, we'll wait for the next guy.
You lot and your peace prizes. It's funny watching how desperately they want Trump to be the exact same as Obama.
If The Donald was half the man Obama is, he'd be twice the man he is. The Donald will never be the same as Obama. Not in this universe.0 -
Pepefrogok wrote: »Trump the deal maker swaying RP to get his guy in, I assume Iran are about to capitulate to the Don as we speak just like North Korea did, bet Iran are wishing the president was still someone they could easily push around, not any more! Only question now is where will the Donald keep his Nobel peace prize?
Oh, Trump's going to row back on his rhetoric on Iran too? I'm pretty sure you can't get a peace prize on the back of previous administrations deals.0 -
Oh, Trump's going to row back on his rhetoric on Iran too? I'm pretty sure you can't get a peace prize on the back of previous administrations deals.
Maybe he was influenced by John Oliver's Catheter Cowboy ad during Hannity, where the Cowboy explained why it's important not to pull out of the Iran deal ?0 -
According to CNN, it seem's that Admiral Ronny Jackson is getting a hard time at his approval hearing from senators on both sides in relation to his appointment to head the VA. It seem's the rumour mill has heard about - as yet -undisclosed factors which may disbar the Admiral from being appointed as head of the V.A.0
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For muppets like Pepefrogok, the US is the world's preeminent superpower. They can't get forced to do anything.
Stop pretending like Trump is some amazing negotiator. His main focus is on business for his own properties. It's much easier to understand his decisions in that light.0 -
LeinsterDub wrote: »https://twitter.com/funder/status/988517173051183104?s=20
Honestly don't know what to make of this big deal? Or just a other day in Trump world?
So lets look at this. Trump is known to have used secret payments to avoid news of his extra marital affairs getting out.
Trump lied to the director of the FBI on his whereabouts in an attempt to 'prove' that he wasn't in an hotel room undertaking in extra marital affairs with hookers.
This cornerstone of his defence is now shown to be a lie.
So what could we possibly take from it? Should we go with the view that there is nothing at all in the story and that the Steele Dossier is complete bogus...
or should we take on board the evidence that Trump has no hang-ups about extra marital affairs, has no hang-ups about lying about them and has no hang-ups about using bribes and money to make the situation go away.
No of this proves he did anything but as I mentioned before, every time we think we have got to the end of something more real evidence comes out that shows that Trump is a total liar. Why would anyone place any credibility on anything a proven liar has to say?0 -
So lets look at this. Trump is known to have used secret payments to avoid news of his extra marital affairs getting out.
Trump lied to the director of the FBI on his whereabouts in an attempt to 'prove' that he wasn't in an hotel room undertaking in extra marital affairs with hookers.
This cornerstone of his defence is now shown to be a lie.
So what could we possibly take from it? Should we go with the view that there is nothing at all in the story and that the Steele Dossier is complete bogus...
or should we take on board the evidence that Trump has no hang-ups about extra marital affairs, has no hang-ups about lying about them and has no hang-ups about using bribes and money to make the situation go away.
No of this proves he did anything but as I mentioned before, every time we think we have got to the end of something more real evidence comes out that shows that Trump is a total liar. Why would anyone place any credibility on anything a proven liar has to say?
Two points.
Taking the 2nd one first, re his propensity to lie - the story broke a couple of days ago about how he pretended to be someone else, so as to work lie his way onto the Forbes 400.
CBS had an author on a biography on Trump to discuss the story. This was not shocking to him at all. His book contains numerous examples of out and out lying over smaller things, for example being the most popular amongst girls at his school, when there were no girls at his school, or lying about golf scores.
He is a prolific liar and I remain baffled to this day as to why the American Public thought this would be a good quality in a president.
I remember hearing audio 2 years or so ago him pretending to be his own fake publicist, in order to promote his business interests. I've called him a snake oil salesman, and that to me is exactly what he is.
In relation to the first issue, as to if this story of him staying in Russia is important - DJT claimed that he did not stay over in the Hotel to cavort with prostitutes and this was another basis used by DJT to claim that the Dossier is bogus. The overlying and prominent claim by the Dossier was collusion with the Russians to rig the election.
We have here, another example (the other recent one being Cohen's trip to Prague) of doubt being thrown on the arguments against the Dossier's claims.
The problem that poses for DJT is that for every denial of the Dossier that later proves to be questionable or indeed a lie, the more credible the Dossier becomes.0 -
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My own view on the dossier is that history will show that the American people were given clear and credible evidence that they had a serious problem on their hands but due to team loyalties and looking to get one over the 'libtards' they refused to see the danger and actively participated in the weakening of their own country.
Whether 100%, 50% or even 10% of the claims end up being true, the fact that so many were willing to simply dismiss it out of hand without any investigation will be something they will have to explain to later generations.
History, IMO, will judge them very harshly.0 -
My own view on the dossier is that history will show that the American people were given clear and credible evidence that they had a serious problem on their hands but due to team loyalties and looking to get one over the 'libtards' they refused to see the danger and actively participated in the weakening of their own country.
Whether 100%, 50% or even 10% of the claims end up being true, the fact that so many were willing to simply dismiss it out of hand without any investigation will be something they will have to explain to later generations.
History, IMO, will judge them very harshly.
Whatever happened to 4chan making the dossier? They tried to explain it away with that at the start but that idea just suddenly disappeared.0 -
aloyisious wrote: »According to CNN, it seem's that Admiral Ronny Jackson is getting a hard time at his approval hearing from senators on both sides in relation to his appointment to head the VA. It seem's the rumour mill has heard about - as yet -undisclosed factors which may disbar the Admiral from being appointed as head of the V.A.
He wasn't properly vetted. There are procedures in place for situations like this, for pardons and other matters. DJT doesn't care for proper practices however and this gets him into trouble more often than not0 -
aloyisious wrote: »According to CNN, it seem's that Admiral Ronny Jackson is getting a hard time at his approval hearing from senators on both sides in relation to his appointment to head the VA. It seem's the rumour mill has heard about - as yet -undisclosed factors which may disbar the Admiral from being appointed as head of the V.A.
Drinking at work, hostile work environment, improper dispensing of meds.
Allegedly.0 -
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I thought you only started that stuff after being hired by Trump to cope...Zubeneschamali wrote: »Drinking at work, hostile work environment, improper dispensing of meds.
Allegedly.
Seriously though; of the three I'd guess the third would be the biggest issue as that's potentially federal crime if done over state borders on the top of my head.0 -
Zubeneschamali wrote: »Drinking at work, hostile work environment, improper dispensing of meds.
Allegedly.
That's quite juicy. Surprised we are only hearing that now.0 -
BabyCheeses wrote: »Whatever happened to 4chan making the dossier? They tried to explain it away with that at the start but that idea just suddenly disappeared.
That was claimed right here in this very forum by a user who has since closed his account so I won't quote him.
If I remember correctly, the claim was that dossier was created as a hoax by 4chan. This was around the time that it was published by buzzfeed. This lie was then repeated here by a poster who was either dishonest or credulous.
Since then, the origins of the dossier have been confirmed as have some of the claims within it. Basically, even Trump fans know that it wasn't a 4chan hoax so they attack it financing. They also loudly proclaimed the claim about Cohen in the Czech republic to be false - viewing this as proof that it's all false.
Forgetting for a moment the idea that one piece of information being incorrect in what is a collection of raw intelligence from human sources would invalidate the whole lot, this claim from Cohen that he wasn't in the Czech republic is now a bit iffy. Some days are accounted for but others not so much.
If it turns out that Cohen was there, I'm not sure what the next line will be. My guess is that we'll see a few posters close their accounts and spring up again ignoring the Cohen part and find some other claim to attack only to be proven wrong again - rince and repeat.0 -
Freedom of the press has nothing to do with it. The public had no right to know about Hannity. Perhaps the media suddenly found a smidgen of journalistic fortitude that they completely lost under the Obama administration and all of Hillary Clinton's shenanigans during the election. IMO. I guess we should thank Trump for that. Unfortunately I fear it will continue to be selective. How many other laws will be broken for the ends to justify the means in the taking down Trump and any conservatives with a national voice? Viva la police state?
Tell me... If Hannity did invest in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics, what does it have to do with Russian collusion in the 2016 elections? This investigation has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime, IMO.From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments. My financial investor invests for me. I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in. I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them. And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch! And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen? Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?
notobtuse, I would have thought that at this stage you would know that the very least you should do is to wait. Anyone that ever comes out early to defend Trump or anything to do with him invariably ends up looking foolish as the real truth comes out.
It follows a similar pattern.
Journo: You guys were up to X
Trump/supporters: No way, fake news, your a HC supporter
Journo2: We have some documents to prove that
Trump/supporters: Yeah well, at least we love America and last year you printed something that was wrong so .....ObamaClinton!
So Hannity comes out with the following:
"It is ironic that I am being attacked for investing my personal money in communities that badly needed such investment"
So which is it. HE didn't know or he wants the credit? Because the line you went off is that this is little more than an investment fund, third party. It could be in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics.
So which one of you going to go with?
Nothing, and nobody said it did. Even you stated that it wasn't the state looking for public knowledge of the 3rd client, that was the media calling for freedom of the press.
What it does show is that nothing Hannity says in relation to Cohen or Trump can be seen as anything other than biased.
From people that seem so concerned about fake news, it is staggering the lengths you are willing to go to avoid having to admit that one of the main cheerleaders for Trump is so compromised.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/sean-hannity-outing-violates-legal-standards/You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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Yes, technically it was a NY State investigation. Mueller wanted something investigated and gave it to NY and said investigate this, IMO. In my view it is still Mueller handiwork.aloyisious wrote: »Lawyers usually have many clients. In my opinion it was only a fishing expedition by Mueller to get the judge to get Hannity’s information. And I understand the judge wasn’t going to demand to know Cohen’s clients, but was talked into it by CNN and The NY Times with hunt lawyers. WTF? Isn’t this Mueller’s investigation? I doubt anyone with any common sense thought Hannity would be involved in some shady Russia or porn star deal. It has now become Mueller going off the rails.
And it was Attorney/Client privileged. I wonder how much more ignoring law we will see out of Mueller. What good did finding out Hannity’s name do the investigation other than to help to try and destroy the conservative pundit.
We’ll agree to disagree on the Hannity/Clinton comparison.
Political favors from HUD or Trump. I bet no one even knew Hannity’s name was associated with the group that bought the distressed properties. And there were probably several other high profile celebrity names associated with that group. Perhaps we should drag all their names through the mud.
Well that's three disclaimers on your part for Sean - excluding this apparent insider information claim [And I understand the judge wasn’t going to demand to know Cohen’s clients, but was talked into it by CNN and The NY Times with hunt lawyers] - plus an attempt at misleading us [WTF? Isn’t this Mueller’s investigation?] which legally it isn't. In effect he's recused himself from the NY investigation. That last is pretty fair for an attempt at the truth.
Sean Hannity has not denied the core of the story, that he has invested in properties previously used as their homesby people who had to move out after foreclosure by the banks, instead he has confirmed his ownership of such seized properties, even if he say's he did not know the exact details of his investments.
Edit: re the actual news that SH has investments in property, is that info about SH's investments just info from a breaking news story or part of the ongoing NYC investigation? If it's NOT a discovery made by NYC investigators ot the other [Special Counsel] investigation, then are you making a mistake in putting the discovery down to them?You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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Pepefrogok wrote: »Trump the deal maker swaying RP to get his guy in, I assume Iran are about to capitulate to the Don as we speak just like North Korea did, bet Iran are wishing the president was still someone they could easily push around, not any more! Only question now is where will the Donald keep his Nobel peace prize?
Trump will never get the Nobel Peace Prize. He could cure cancer, rid the world of nuclear weapons, end climate change, and find a cheap form of energy for the entire world in the form of cold fusion and the Nobel committee would completely ignore it all because, well simply because… Trump! IMOYou can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!
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