Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

derb12

Anyone see KellyAnne Conway with Dana Bash on State of the Union today?
https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Such faux outrage! Funnily enough she has way more negative than positive comments on her tweet.

everlast75

derb12 wrote: »

Anyone see KellyAnne Conway with Dana Bash on State of the Union today?
https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Such faux outrage! Funnily enough she has way more negative than positive comments on her tweet.

When you consider she attacked Hillary for Bill's indiscretions...

EltonJohn69

everlast75 wrote: »

When you consider she attacked Hillary for Bill's indiscretions...

I saw that live today..... i was flabbergasted !!! but it was a masterful performance by kelly ann... she totally won that interaction....

Mumha

20Cent wrote: »

Cohen gave up Hannity within minutes doubt he'll stay loyal to trump if facing jail time. Trump reportedly treated him very badly and used to mock him all the time. Be nice on the way up because you meet all the same people again on the way down.

There appears to be a tail on the Cohen - Hannity story, this time potentially involving Ben Carson at HUD (housing and urban development). You can bet there will be investigative journalists all over this.

Hannity has said that he hates investing in the stock market, and instead buys real estate. But no one had reported the scale of investments by the host, who makes about $30 million a year. Hannity’s shell companies have spent at least $90 million buying up at least 870 homes spread over seven states, the Guardian reported.

Among the holdings are mansions and apartment buildings rented to low-income families.

Troublingly given how Hannity talked about the raid on Cohen’s office and homes without disclosing that he was a client, Hannity also has dealings journalist would normally disclose.

He bashed Obama about the foreclosure rate but bought up homes during the crisis, the report says, and he made deals involving the US Department for Housing and Urban Development which he did not disclose when interviewing and praising Ben Carson, who Trump appointed to lead the department.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/sean-hannity-vast-real-estate-holdings-hidden-shell-companies-including-deals-funded-hud-report/

Professor Moriarty

Mumha wrote: »

There appears to be a tail on the Cohen - Hannity story, this time potentially involving Ben Carson at HUD (housing and urban development). You can bet there will be investigative journalists all over this.

Nothing to do with The Donald. Swamp, drain etc. The whole think stinks to high heaven and The Donald's squealing on Twitter is telling.

Leroy42

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I saw that live today..... i was flabbergasted !!! but it was a masterful performance by kelly ann... she totally won that interaction....

Having seen it and read the transcript, I agree in your position that KAC 'won', in that she came out with the major talking point and she also managed to completely avoid having to answer the question that was put to her.

I would, on behalf of the media, make the point that they really are in a no win situation. If they ignore the likes of KAC they are accused of not giving the WH due respect and due acknowledgement. But having them tends to end up with a totally abdication of their responsibility to actually give answers. I mean what is KAC bring up HC again for?

The WH is allowed to claim pretty much anything and never have to back it up (Bowling green Massacre anyone) but if the media makes any sort of claim without 100% total backup they are called out and mocked. I don't envy them.

How do you deal with something like that? IMO, they should limit interviews to very specific areas. They seem to want to cover so many issues that each issues gets 1 maybe two questions with no follow up or fact checking.

They keep going out thinking they will get the "home-Run" moment, but the likes of SHS, KAC etc are far too skilled for that. Whilst I don't agree with how they do it, or indeed what they do, anyone should be able to acknowledge that they are extremely good at the job they are doing.

So following an extraordinary weekend of tweets from POTUS, where, just taking a few examples, he lied about having spoken to a journalists (Haberman), called her source a drunk/drugged up loser, continued to call out Comey, made derogatory comments (yet again) about a TV journalist and called them fake news, called out the AG etc etc, all we are talking about is whether KAC feels she is being discriminated against by a woman by asking her a question.

It pretty impressive how good they are at what they do.

Mumha

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Nothing to do with The Donald. Swamp, drain etc.

no, nothing at all ! This could be as good as it gets, if it is shown that Hannity was winning government housing contracts on the back of his relationship with Trump/Cohen/Carson.

spacecoyote

Hadn't heard the term before, but apparently "Sleepy Eyes" is a derogatory term against Jewish people?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/988037292932653056

Professor Moriarty

Mumha wrote: »

no, nothing at all ! This could be as good as it gets, if it is shown that Hannity was winning government housing contracts on the back of his relationship with Trump/Cohen/Carson.

Carson is a really really poor politician. Consider this piece of wisdom on the Middle East and in answer to the question of a Palestinian state where the good Ben wondered whether a Palestinian state needed:

"to be within the confines of Israeli territory. Is that necessary, or can you sort of slip that area down into Egypt?"

Mumha

spacecoyote wrote: »

Hadn't heard the term before, but apparently "Sleepy Eyes" is a derogatory term against Jewish people?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/988037292932653056

I never realised Toad was Jewish, though I really don't think it is a derogatory dig at his religion. Toad has a habit of closing his eyes as he finishes a question or statement.

Mumha

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Carson is a really really poor politician. Consider this piece of wisdom on the Middle East and in answer to the question of a Palestinian state where the good Ben wondered whether a Palestinian state needed:

"to be within the confines of Israeli territory. Is that necessary, or can you sort of slip that area down into Egypt?"

Yes, a real chancer.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

So following an extraordinary weekend of tweets from POTUS, where, just taking a few examples, he lied about having spoken to a journalists (Haberman), called her source a drunk/drugged up loser, continued to call out Comey, made derogatory comments (yet again) about a TV journalist and called them fake news, called out the AG etc etc

The most presidential thing DJT did at the weekend was stay away from Barbara Bush's funeral

everlast75

Mumha wrote: »

I never realised Toad was Jewish, though I really don't think it is a derogatory dig at his religion. Toad has a habit of closing his eyes as he finishes a question or statement.

I think Toad is a derogatory term too :pac:

Mumha

everlast75 wrote: »

I think Toad is a derogatory term too :pac:

You have seen MTP then ?

ECO_Mental

Mumha wrote: »

no, nothing at all ! This could be as good as it gets, if it is shown that Hannity was winning government housing contracts on the back of his relationship with Trump/Cohen/Carson.

Booom!!!!!


http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/23/media/sean-hannity-real-estate-hud/index.html


As sure as night follows day....

Mumha

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Booom!!!!!


http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/23/media/sean-hannity-real-estate-hud/index.html


As sure as night follows day....

So true. Once they untangle those shell companies there'll surely be more to follow.

notobtuse

Did Hannity do anything illegal?

spacecoyote

notobtuse wrote: »

Did Hannity do anything illegal?

No-one on here can answer that question. All we can do is speculate

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

Did Hannity do anything illegal?

That's unknown , just as we don't know if there is anything untoward in his dealings with Cohen..

But the fundamental thing is that he has spent countless hours on his radio & TV shows giving his opinions on the Mueller investigation , on the Cohen arrest , on Ben Carson and HUD etc without ever mentioning any possible conflict of Interest..

How many times has Hannity attacked Hillary Clinton and other Democrats on potential quid pro quo activities??

But when it's him that's being asked those questions he gets all defensive and argues that he has a right to privacy etc.

It's that hypocrisy that has people activated at present..

Water John

Well, the claims to be doing this, for charity.

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

notobtuse wrote: »

Did Hannity do anything illegal?

That's unknown , just as we don't know if there is anything untoward in his dealings with Cohen..

But the fundamental thing is that he has spent countless hours on his radio & TV shows giving his opinions on the Mueller investigation , on the Cohen arrest , on Ben Carson and HUD etc without ever mentioning any possible conflict of Interest..

How many times has Hannity attacked Hillary Clinton and other Democrats on potential quid pro quo activities??

But when it's him that's being asked those questions he gets all defensive and argues that he has a right to privacy etc.

It's that hypocrisy that has people activated at present..

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

jobbridge4life

notobtuse wrote: »

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

... girl...

notobtuse wrote: »

I don't care about Hillary Clinton.

Quin_Dub

notobtuse wrote: »

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

Well , the Cohen connection is fairly clear I'd have thought , he spoke at length about how the raid on Cohen was an assault on Attorney Client privilege , on the rule of law etc. etc. without ever telling anyone that he himself was someone potentially at risk from that very same Attorney client privilege..

In terms of the comparison with Clinton et al - I don't see that it's a stretch , it's perhaps a different scale if the allegations are true , but the acts are comparable..

The accusations against Clinton is that she provided Political favours in return for investment in the Clinton foundation..

The potential accusation for Hannity is that in return for his Bombastic and unflinching support on the highest rated News channel and show in the US he got favourable treatment from HUD and/or from Cohen/Trump..

They are both accusations of inappropriate Quid pro quo or conflict of interest.

Hannity claims to not know the nature of the specific investments that his money is used for.. Maybe that's true , or maybe it's not - Perhaps it's like Trumps supposed "Blind Trust" for the Trump Organisation...

For now all we know is that Hannity stands accused of the very things that he has railed against so vehemently on his shows for years..

For now like those against Clinton, they are just allegations , but the hypocrisy remains regardless of that.

Professor Moriarty

notobtuse wrote: »

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

Out of idle interest, I checked your posts. Did you know that you use the words Hillary/Clinton more often than you use the words Donald/Trump? Did you know that this thread is about Donald Trump? As a matter of curiousity, did you mean to put 'not' in your username?

jobbridge4life

I have to ask, and conscious that this may earn me a warning/ban, why is this is being tolerated?

Leroy42

notobtuse wrote: »

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

notobtuse, I would have thought that at this stage you would know that the very least you should do is to wait. Anyone that ever comes out early to defend Trump or anything to do with him invariably ends up looking foolish as the real truth comes out.

It follows a similar pattern.

Journo: You guys were up to X
Trump/supporters: No way, fake news, your a HC supporter
Journo2: We have some documents to prove that
Trump/supporters: Yeah well, at least we love America and last year you printed something that was wrong so .....ObamaClinton!

So Hannity comes out with the following:

"It is ironic that I am being attacked for investing my personal money in communities that badly needed such investment"

So which is it. HE didn't know or he wants the credit? Because the line you went off is that this is little more than an investment fund, third party. It could be in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics.

So which one of you going to go with?

spacecoyote

notobtuse wrote: »

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

If Hannity didn't know what or where his money was being invested why did he need to get advice from Cohen about real estate investments?

Professor Moriarty

Leroy42 wrote: »

notobtuse, I would have thought that at this stage you would know that the very least you should do is to wait. Anyone that ever comes out early to defend Trump or anything to do with him invariably ends up looking foolish as the real truth comes out.

It follows a similar pattern.

Journo: You guys were up to X
Trump/supporters: No way, fake news, your a HC supporter
Journo2: We have some documents to prove that
Trump/supporters: Yeah well, at least we love America and last year you printed something that was wrong so .....ObamaClinton!

So Hannity comes out with the following:

"It is ironic that I am being attacked for investing my personal money in communities that badly needed such investment"

So which is it. HE didn't know or he wants the credit? Because the line you went off is that this is little more than an investment fund, third party. It could be in real estate, or pornography, or abortion clinics.

So which one of you going to go with?

Weasel words that would make you sick to your back teeth.

notobtuse

Quin_Dub wrote: »

notobtuse wrote: »

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

Well , the Cohen connection is fairly clear I'd have thought , he spoke at length about how the raid on Cohen was an assault on Attorney Client privilege , on the rule of law etc. etc. without ever telling anyone that he himself was someone potentially at risk from that very same Attorney client privilege..

In terms of the comparison with Clinton et al - I don't see that it's a stretch , it's perhaps a different scale if the allegations are true , but the acts are comparable..

The accusations against Clinton is that she provided Political favours in return for investment in the Clinton foundation..

The potential accusation for Hannity is that in return for his Bombastic and unflinching support on the highest rated News channel and show in the US he got favourable treatment from HUD and/or from Cohen/Trump..

They are both accusations of inappropriate Quid pro quo or conflict of interest.

Hannity claims to not know the nature of the specific investments that his money is used for.. Maybe that's true , or maybe it's not - Perhaps it's like Trumps supposed "Blind Trust" for the Trump Organisation...

For now all we know is that Hannity stands accused of the very things that he has railed against so vehemently on his shows for years..

For now like those against Clinton, they are just allegations , but the hypocrisy remains regardless of that.

Lawyers usually have many clients.  In my opinion it was only a fishing expedition by Mueller to get the judge to get Hannity’s information.  And I understand the judge wasn’t going to demand to know Cohen’s clients, but was talked into it by CNN and The NY Times with hunt lawyers.  WTF?  Isn’t this Mueller’s investigation?  I doubt anyone with any common sense thought Hannity would be involved in some shady Russia or porn star deal.  It has now become Mueller going off the rails.  

And it was Attorney/Client privileged.  I wonder how much more ignoring law we will see out of Mueller.  What good did finding out Hannity’s name do the investigation other than to help to try and destroy the conservative pundit?

We’ll agree to disagree on the Hannity/Clinton comparison.

Political favors from HUD or Trump???  I bet no one even knew Hannity’s name was associated with the group that bought the distressed properties.  And there were probably several other high profile celebrity names associated with that group.  Perhaps we should drag all their names through the mud.

notobtuse

spacecoyote wrote: »

notobtuse wrote: »

From the link provided it noted Hannity said he does not select, control, or know the details about the investments.  My financial investor invests for me.  I honestly can’t tell you what I’m invested in.  I complain against corporate green entities all the time, and who knows, I might even be invested in them.  And I think that is a real stretch comparing making simple investments that he has nothing to do with other than giving them money, to what Hillary did with the Clinton Foundation… A real stretch!  And where would a conflict of interest be involving Mueller or Cohen?  Do you think he invested in some Russian condos?

If Hannity didn't know what or where his money was being invested why did he need to get advice from Cohen about real estate investments?

Just guessing but perhaps it was to recommend a group to Hannity that had a good track record in real estate transactions.  And when the market was down real estate was a good investment if you didn't mind holding it for a period of time.