Playstation 5 when?

jones

Sorry if there was a relevant thread for this but i couldnt find one so created this.

Folks just wondering when does everyone think the next Playstation will arrive? I think its a given that there will be one but the timing is what is interesting for me. I presume we won't see one in 2018 but 2019 should have something i assume.

Thoughts? and would people be interested in it?

heebusjeebus

2019 at the earliest but more than likely 2020.
I read somewhere that it will need to be the next gen AMD chip (Ryzen in an APU I thnk) but that may not be affordable for home consoles for a while yet.

The next gen will definitely need beefier CPU's. We've seen this generation struggle with frame-rates compared to a PC, and this is mainly tied to low power processors.

EDIT:
This is probably out of date now but it goes through the options for a possible PS5. No chance we'll be seeing it this year though.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-could-sony-release-ps5-in-2018-in-theory

kunst nugget

heebusjeebus wrote: »

2019 at the earliest but more than likely 2020.
I read somewhere that it will need to be the next gen AMD chip (Ryzen in an APU I thnk) but that may not be affordable for home consoles for a while yet.

The next gen will definitely need beefier CPU's. We've seen this generation struggle with frame-rates compared to a PC, and this is mainly tied to low power processors.

EDIT:
This is probably out of date now but it goes through the options for a possible PS5. No chance we'll be seeing it this year though.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-could-sony-release-ps5-in-2018-in-theory

I can't see anything being released before November of next year.

The Specialist

I think we will start seeing a much longer timeframe between generations now that we've reached the PRO/One X & 4k Gaming. What could a new console realistically offer that we don't already have, apart from increased processing power for physics etc?

6 years with Pro at the midpoint seems reasonable. So launched end of 2019 in time for holiday sales.

jones

Yeah i think the big increase will be in the CPU side which is really the bottleneck for the new consoles as far as i can see.

jones

One thing i never get is the big fuss about backwards compatibility. I like it to a point and as a feature but when it starts holding consoles back i'm all in favour of ditching it. I think the X will be held back so much by the original one so i hope Sony have a good jump between the pro and the PS5 and dont need to take into account the Pro's vulnerabilities (i.e. cpu)

grogi

Launching frequently defeats the advantage of consoles really.

It took 7 years to release PS4, without any significant hardware upgrades for PS3. I don't think it will be shorter now, especially that we have the Pro... So 2020 the earliest. Sony is under no pressure to release a successor - their main source of revenue are sales of games, not the hardware...

WarpAsylum

That's not so much backwards compatibility though. You could allow the PS5 to play PS4 games, no problem.
The issue would be if the PS4 had to be able to play PS5 games.

But I do get what you're saying. The full potential of the Pro and the X is hindered as things stand at the moment.

Riesen_Meal

sugarman wrote: »

Maybe not in the next gen of consoles, but I can see consoles moving towards cloud based systems similar to the GeForce Now service.

Essentially just buying a cheap console with limited low performance hardware to connect to their service to stream games.

I don't think the internet is good enough for that in certain parts of the world still unfortunately, a lot of countries still use dial up/isdn or close to it, yet have PS4s...

kwestfan08

I'd imagine some sort of reveal at E3 in 2019 with a release in time for Christmas. That would leave it 6 years from the release of the ps4 which is plenty time for a console lifecycle.

Retr0gamer

Doubt we will see it soon. The PS4 is keeping pace with the PS2 in sales so sony will want to ride that wave for as long as they can.

Honestly I don't want to see a PS5 any time soon. I feel the PS4 has been a total disappointment so far and hasn't really hit it's stride. I'm hoping it will recover in the next year or two and turn itself around like the PS3 did because as it stands, I feel the 400 euro I put down on the PS4 wasn't worth it yet and don't really want to put another 400 down on another console until the previous one has shown its worth.

kwestfan08

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Doubt we will see it soon. The PS4 is keeping pace with the PS2 in sales so sony will want to ride that wave for as long as they can.

Honestly I don't want to see a PS5 any time soon. I feel the PS4 has been a total disappointment so far and hasn't really hit it's stride. I'm hoping it will recover in the next year or two and turn itself around like the PS3 did because as it stands, I feel the 400 euro I put down on the PS4 wasn't worth it yet and don't really want to put another 400 down on another console until the previous one has shown its worth.

With the exclusives coming down the pipe in 2018/19 im very excited for the tail end of the PS4 era. God of War, Days Gone, Detriot: Become Human, Spiderman and TLOU 2 all have to come out in the next 18 months or so. Some quality titles there along with the previously released exculsives make the PS4 a great console in my opinion.

Retr0gamer

If you own a gaming PC then it's a very limited console. I've been let down by a lot of the exclusives like Uncharted 4 and Last Guardian which I just didn't like. bloodborne is a classic and Yakuza series is great. Outside of Gravity Rush nothing else has excited me but I'm waiting for the new uncharted to bottom out in price.

The latest batch of exclusives isn't really interesting me either. Spiderman looks like a bad Batman clone and I don't like Batman, Detroit is David Cage so will be god awful, God of War look interesting but I'll wait for reviews and Days gone looks awful. TLOU2, as long as it isn't another misstep for naughty dog like U4 was then it should be good.

I'm hoping for an influx of Japanese exclusives to make the console more interesting but the majority seem to all come to PC these days.

s8n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If you own a gaming PC then it's a very limited console. I've been let down by a lot of the exclusives like Uncharted 4 and Last Guardian which I just didn't like. bloodborne is a classic and Yakuza series is great. Outside of Gravity Rush nothing else has excited me but I'm waiting for the new uncharted to bottom out in price.

The latest batch of exclusives isn't really interesting me either. Spiderman looks like a bad Batman clone and I don't like Batman, Detroit is David Cage so will be god awful, God of War look interesting but I'll wait for reviews and Days gone looks awful. TLOU2, as long as it isn't another misstep for naughty dog like U4 was then it should be good.

I'm hoping for an influx of Japanese exclusives to make the console more interesting but the majority seem to all come to PC these days.

how was U4 a misstep ??

kunst nugget

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Doubt we will see it soon. The PS4 is keeping pace with the PS2 in sales so sony will want to ride that wave for as long as they can.

Honestly I don't want to see a PS5 any time soon. I feel the PS4 has been a total disappointment so far and hasn't really hit it's stride. I'm hoping it will recover in the next year or two and turn itself around like the PS3 did because as it stands, I feel the 400 euro I put down on the PS4 wasn't worth it yet and don't really want to put another 400 down on another console until the previous one has shown its worth.

Why do you buy the console at full price when they chances are you know you're going to be critical of it? Would you not just hold off until the price drops?

kunst nugget

s8n wrote: »

how was U4 a misstep ??

It's pretty bloated with endless jumping around cliff sections that are monotonous.

The Specialist

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If you own a gaming PC then it's a very limited console. I've been let down by a lot of the exclusives like Uncharted 4 and Last Guardian which I just didn't like. bloodborne is a classic and Yakuza series is great. Outside of Gravity Rush nothing else has excited me but I'm waiting for the new uncharted to bottom out in price.

The latest batch of exclusives isn't really interesting me either. Spiderman looks like a bad Batman clone and I don't like Batman, Detroit is David Cage so will be god awful, God of War look interesting but I'll wait for reviews and Days gone looks awful. TLOU2, as long as it isn't another misstep for naughty dog like U4 was then it should be good.

I'm hoping for an influx of Japanese exclusives to make the console more interesting but the majority seem to all come to PC these days.

Maybe you just aren't as much a fan of Western games as you are for Japanese titles? I only played 2 Jap games last year - Yakuza 0 which I absolutely loved, and The Last Guardian which was an absolute pile of **** with a hairy cat. Played the demo of Gravity Rush but it was utter ****e IMO, only lasted 20 mins before I deleted it again.

Spiderman looks like it could be a sleeper for GOTY (depending if it plays as good as it looks & RDR 2 slips to next year ). David Cage has had a couple of missteps (BTS being one of them) but the games are generally engrossing experiences - wouldn't call him god awful by any stretch and Detroit looks surprisingly decent. No interest in GOW or Days Gone so can't comment on those, TLOU 2 of course has big shoes to fill but it's in safe hands.

Retr0gamer

kunst nugget wrote: »

Why do you buy the console at full price when they chances are you know you're going to be critical of it? Would you not just hold off until the price drops?

One word: Bloodborne.

If it's a From soulsborne game then the 450 euro cost is more than enough.

I actually had a PS4 preordered and traded the preorder for a WiiU on launch day as the PS4 had such an awful line up.

When I did get the PS4 I had my first pay cheque from a new job and bloodborne was around the corner. thought the machine would pick up after the first year... I was so wrong.

The Specialist wrote: »

Maybe you just aren't as much a fan of Western games as you are for Japanese titles? I only played 2 Jap games last year - Yakuza 0 which I absolutely loved, and The Last Guardian which was an absolute pile of **** with a hairy cat. Played the demo of Gravity Rush but it was utter ****e IMO, only lasted 20 mins before I deleted it again.

Spiderman looks like it could be a sleeper for GOTY (depending if it plays as good as it looks & RDR 2 slips to next year ). David Cage has had a couple of missteps (BTS being one of them) but the games are generally engrossing experiences - wouldn't call him god awful by any stretch and Detroit looks surprisingly decent. No interest in GOW or Days Gone so can't comment on those, TLOU 2 of course has big shoes to fill but it's in safe hands.

The problem with Western games is they come out on PC and I'd rather play them there as I've a gaming PC.

As for David Cage, the man is a hack. He has some good ideas but has yet to make a good game.

gimli2112

kunst nugget wrote: »

It's pretty bloated with endless jumping around cliff sections that are monotonous.

There were some good bits to it but this is what I remember, particularly near the end.

Cienciano

It's never worth getting a console on launch day. No benefit, always worth waiting about 6 months imho. Lineups are never really worth it.

Retr0gamer

Cienciano wrote: »

It's never worth getting a console on launch day. No benefit, always worth waiting about 6 months imho. Lineups are never really worth it.

Not always. The switch has been a joy since day one and the vita and psp had very strong line ups and a few consoles launched with genre defining game's like Mario 64.

Doesn't happen as often anymore though.

Penn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I feel the 400 euro I put down on the PS4 wasn't worth it yet

Retr0gamer wrote: »

One word: Bloodborne.

If it's a From soulsborne game then the 450 euro cost is more than enough.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

When I did get the PS4 I had my first pay cheque from a new job and bloodborne was around the corner. thought the machine would pick up after the first year... I was so wrong.

The problem with always being so over-dramatic is that you end up disagreeing with yourself.

Either way, you don't like many of the PS exclusives that have come out, and don't like the look of some of the ones due to come out. That's fair enough. But many people do. The exclusives are generally very highly rated and acclaimed by reviewers and by gamers in general. For many, the cost of the console has more than been worth it and were a PS5 to be announced, there are many who'd be lining up to buy one at launch or soon after in order to play the next installments of those exclusive franchises.

CiDeRmAn

I waited 6 months before buying a PS4 and, like the PS3 before it, it was still too soon.
There was little to recommend the PS4, if anything at all, prior to Bloodborne, and it remains the best reason to own the machine, aside from The Last Guardian, upon which Retr0 and I will have to differ.

I will buy Ninty console on launch all the do-long day, but that's a sickness of mine, Sony and MS consoles, not so much.

Also, if being really sensible, I'd wait until the second hardware iteration as well, at least most of the flaws will be ironed out by then, as opposed to the likes of the PS3 and PS4, as well as shaving off the sheer bulk of them.

Retr0gamer

Penn wrote: »

The problem with always being so over-dramatic is that you end up disagreeing with yourself.

Either way, you don't like many of the PS exclusives that have come out, and don't like the look of some of the ones due to come out. That's fair enough. But many people do. The exclusives are generally very highly rated and acclaimed by reviewers and by gamers in general. For many, the cost of the console has more than been worth it and were a PS5 to be announced, there are many who'd be lining up to buy one at launch or soon after in order to play the next installments of those exclusive franchises.

No need to be so defensive and confrontational.

I rate consoles mostly on the exclusives they deliver and for me the PS4 has so far been a big disappointment compared to previous PS hardware. I'm hoping for a PS3 turn around, that was a terrible console for a long time before totally upping its game and becoming a very good one in its final few years. Until that happens I'm going to be unimpressed with that piece of plastic and silicon which I mostly use to watch Netflix on the communal TV in the house.

At least it's not the Xbox One, a console with so few worthwhile exclusives that it's the only major games console I've had no interest in owning.

ERG89

I enjoyed the PS4 complaining about not enough games being on it is a joke after you had 2 Yakuza games, Persona 5, Horizon ZD, Nier Automata, Nioh and Crash Trilogy.
That is just last year, your far more fortunate than me if you had time to play and finish all those. 70 million systems sold has to be for a reason and it isn't just Bloodborne :rolleyes:

Penn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

No need to be so defensive and confrontational.

I rate consoles mostly on the exclusives they deliver and for me the PS4 has so far been a big disappointment compared to previous PS hardware. I'm hoping for a PS3 turn around, that was a terrible console for a long time before totally upping its game and becoming a very good one in its final few years. Until that happens I'm going to be unimpressed with that piece of plastic and silicon which I mostly use to watch Netflix on the communal TV in the house.

At least it's not the Xbox One, a console with so few worthwhile exclusives that it's the only major games console I've had no interest in owning.

Being neither defensive nor confrontational, just pointing out that your opinion and your general dismissal of everything PS4 bar Bloodborne would largely be considered to be in the minority.

wes

I think it will be 2020 at the earliest. The Pro and One X will extend the cycle a little bit.

Retr0gamer

ERG89 wrote: »

I enjoyed the PS4 complaining about not enough games being on it is a joke after you had 2 Yakuza games, Persona 5, Horizon ZD, Nier Automata, Nioh and Crash Trilogy.
That is just last year, your far more fortunate than me if you had time to play and finish all those. 70 million systems sold has to be for a reason and it isn't just Bloodborne :rolleyes:

Persona 5 is on ps3 and probably coming to pc. Nier is on pc, as is Nier. Crash Trilogy, the games are hardly classics but I've had fun with it and it was a bargain at 40 so I'll give you that. As for Yakuza, yeah they are great. Not sure why Sega hasn't put them on PC. I probably would have enjoyed horizon but zelda made it seem so stale.

So not out of those only really 3 interest me and two of those are remakes of 4 games I already played.

If you don't have a PC the PS4 makes a lot of sense and why it's selling well but if you do it really doesn't offer a lot.

heebusjeebus

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I rate consoles mostly on the exclusives they deliver and for me the PS4 has so far been a big disappointment compared to previous PS hardware. I'm hoping for a PS3 turn around, that was a terrible console for a long time before totally upping its game and becoming a very good one in its final few years. Until that happens I'm going to be unimpressed with that piece of plastic and silicon which I mostly use to watch Netflix on the communal TV in the house.

Off topic but I could say the same about the Switch (It doesn't even have Netflix :P). Zelda is the only exclusive of interest and the rest are available on Steam.
At least in May, it will have Dark Souls.

Vyse

wes wrote: »

I think it will be 2020 at the earliest. The Pro and One X will extend the cycle a little bit.

100% agree with this. Would be extremely surprised to see a PS5 before 2020. My guess would be October/ November 2020. If a new console was released in 2019 would it be that much more powerful than the XBoxOne X?

Retr0gamer

Vyse wrote: »

100% agree with this. Would be extremely surprised to see a PS5 before 2020. My guess would be October/ November 2020. If a new console was released in 2019 would it be that much more powerful than the XBoxOne X?

It depends, the mid life console upgrades are being held back by the architecture of the consoles they are based on and the fact they have to be backwards compatible with them. The last few years has seen a very slow increase in GPU power and an even slower increase in CPU power, but with AMD putting pressure on Intel with Ryzen and bitcoin mining pushing GPU progress there could be a big jump in power with the next system.

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It depends, the mid life console upgrades are being held back by the architecture of the consoles they are based on and the fact they have to be backwards compatible with them. The last few years has seen a very slow increase in GPU power and an even slower increase in CPU power, but with AMD putting pressure on Intel with Ryzen and bitcoin mining pushing GPU progress there could be a big jump in power with the next system.

And prices alas.

Skerries

Sony would have a deal in place with AMD for a set price per unit as they would be bulk buying

Potential-Monke

I genuinely don't care when they bring it out, but Sony have a track record of some of the best games coming out at the end of it's console life cycle, so I'd say we have a few more years of PS4 goodness until then!

Retr0gamer

Skerries wrote: »

Sony would have a deal in place with AMD for a set price per unit as they would be bulk buying

AMD have the better bargaining position now with PC gaming going very strong and cryptocurrency earning them a lot.

Varik

crypto currency has ****ed up gpu prices with demand, isn't just Sony or MS that are hit.

They're going for twice or more their original rrp for some models.

Sony could go back to in-house.

TheIrishGrover

Don't see it within the next three - four years TBH. Don't think there is the appetite for it yet. Costs/initial return on investment are higher and higher. You got to remember, people have to develop for these machines too so they will not be too eager to hop to a new platform any time soon. I think it is still relatively early in the PS4-Pro/XB1 lifecycles at the moment. They are just now looking at 4K etc.

I don't believe they will perform any heavy GPU/CPU lifting in the cloud anytime soon, if ever. Latency is still, and always will be, a factor.
They may be able to perform some non-intensive, non-time critical functions in the cloud/on a distributed network environment: Things like streaming background music/audio, initial procedural level generation, background animation etc. Distributed computing like this would not be feasible in such a time-critical environment as gaming.
An entirely virtual remote solution may be possible eventually: Gaming As A Service Virtual PS5. However the initial investment would be astronomical and inflexible: Sure, you could expand it for more users but how do you go from PS5 to PS6? Double the virtual CPU/GPU or rebuild?
Plus, people like having a physical box under their TV as opposed to paying large amounts of money for a small box and a controller.

Absolutely the local storage will be reduced to bare minimum: Larger cache than now and, maybe a small drive for limited offline gaming but the vast majority of files will be online.

5uspect

I don’t think this current generation has really found its feet yet. There are only a handful of new standout games with a heavy reliance on remasters and rereleases.

While the remasters are nice—since I’ve never had a Sony console before—it really seems that we’re still waiting for the meat of this generation to deliver.

Then again I’m spoiled by my PC and I’m probably forgetting that some games I’ve enjoyed there have PowerPoint versions on console.

Retr0gamer

Varik wrote: »

Sony could go back to in-house.

Not a hope of that happening. The last time they did that was with the Cell processor and that was a massive disaster. Whatever they had of their silicon fabrication has been sold off during the sony fire sale when they were going backrupt. Designing proprietary silicon does not make sense when it's cheaper to license to companies that can do it cheaper and also much better to go with established architecture so developers can hit the ground running. I very much doubt any future consoles will be deviating from x86 architecture especially considering the current consoles are a developer god send.

heebusjeebus

Richard Leadbetter from DF thinks we'll be seeing the next gen of consoles next year.
I think he means they'll just be announced in 2019. Release probably spring 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsiKMw_RnXs

Cienciano

3 years apparently, 2021

https://www.wsj.com/articles/next-playstation-is-three-years-off-sony-says-1527067818

Penn

In a way it's disappointing, as 2013 to 2021 is a long time for the lifecycle of the console.

On the other hand, I think knowing that would make me more likely to maybe pull the trigger on PSVR in the next year or two if they keep making a few more games for it, and the library of PS4 games we'll have by 2021 should hopefully be a hell of a catalogue after what was a very slow start for the first few years.

Skerries

will Microsoft bring out their next console early to try and get a bigger cut of the market?

wes

I am fine with 2021, the mid generation refresh means that those who want a more powerful machine, have that option.

2021, should also hopefully mean we will get a decent leap in tech as well, and hopefully keep price down as well.

I think the longer generations are ultimately a good thing.

jonerkinsella

2020. The 21 is only end of production for the 4. 20 ties in with previous release intervals of Playstation generations.
Check back in two years to see if my prediction is correct

Uriel.

Not at all sure how reliable these sources are but interesting to see this rumour of an end of 2019 "surprise" launch.

I'm skeptical myself

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.t3.com/amp/news/well-be-unwrapping-our-new-ps5-consoles-christmas-2019

Mr Crispy

I'd be worried that a 2019 release would mean a PS5 Pro would be "necessary" in 2021/22 to keep pace with Scarlett/XBOX Two (assuming the MS console is later than PS5, and more powerful as a result).