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Playstation 5 when?

jones

Sorry if there was a relevant thread for this but i couldnt find one so created this.

Folks just wondering when does everyone think the next Playstation will arrive? I think its a given that there will be one but the timing is what is interesting for me. I presume we won't see one in 2018 but 2019 should have something i assume.

Thoughts? and would people be interested in it?

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Mr Crispy

I'd be worried that a 2019 release would mean a PS5 Pro would be "necessary" in 2021/22 to keep pace with Scarlett/XBOX Two (assuming the MS console is later than PS5, and more powerful as a result).

Uriel.

Not at all sure how reliable these sources are but interesting to see this rumour of an end of 2019 "surprise" launch.

I'm skeptical myself

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.t3.com/amp/news/well-be-unwrapping-our-new-ps5-consoles-christmas-2019

jonerkinsella

2020. The 21 is only end of production for the 4. 20 ties in with previous release intervals of Playstation generations.
Check back in two years to see if my prediction is correct

wes

I am fine with 2021, the mid generation refresh means that those who want a more powerful machine, have that option.

2021, should also hopefully mean we will get a decent leap in tech as well, and hopefully keep price down as well.

I think the longer generations are ultimately a good thing.

Skerries

will Microsoft bring out their next console early to try and get a bigger cut of the market?

Penn

In a way it's disappointing, as 2013 to 2021 is a long time for the lifecycle of the console.

On the other hand, I think knowing that would make me more likely to maybe pull the trigger on PSVR in the next year or two if they keep making a few more games for it, and the library of PS4 games we'll have by 2021 should hopefully be a hell of a catalogue after what was a very slow start for the first few years.

Cienciano

3 years apparently, 2021

https://www.wsj.com/articles/next-playstation-is-three-years-off-sony-says-1527067818

heebusjeebus

Richard Leadbetter from DF thinks we'll be seeing the next gen of consoles next year.
I think he means they'll just be announced in 2019. Release probably spring 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsiKMw_RnXs

Retr0gamer

Varik wrote: »

Sony could go back to in-house.

Not a hope of that happening. The last time they did that was with the Cell processor and that was a massive disaster. Whatever they had of their silicon fabrication has been sold off during the sony fire sale when they were going backrupt. Designing proprietary silicon does not make sense when it's cheaper to license to companies that can do it cheaper and also much better to go with established architecture so developers can hit the ground running. I very much doubt any future consoles will be deviating from x86 architecture especially considering the current consoles are a developer god send.

5uspect

I don’t think this current generation has really found its feet yet. There are only a handful of new standout games with a heavy reliance on remasters and rereleases.

While the remasters are nice—since I’ve never had a Sony console before—it really seems that we’re still waiting for the meat of this generation to deliver.

Then again I’m spoiled by my PC and I’m probably forgetting that some games I’ve enjoyed there have PowerPoint versions on console.

TheIrishGrover

Don't see it within the next three - four years TBH. Don't think there is the appetite for it yet. Costs/initial return on investment are higher and higher. You got to remember, people have to develop for these machines too so they will not be too eager to hop to a new platform any time soon. I think it is still relatively early in the PS4-Pro/XB1 lifecycles at the moment. They are just now looking at 4K etc.

I don't believe they will perform any heavy GPU/CPU lifting in the cloud anytime soon, if ever. Latency is still, and always will be, a factor.
They may be able to perform some non-intensive, non-time critical functions in the cloud/on a distributed network environment: Things like streaming background music/audio, initial procedural level generation, background animation etc. Distributed computing like this would not be feasible in such a time-critical environment as gaming.
An entirely virtual remote solution may be possible eventually: Gaming As A Service Virtual PS5. However the initial investment would be astronomical and inflexible: Sure, you could expand it for more users but how do you go from PS5 to PS6? Double the virtual CPU/GPU or rebuild?
Plus, people like having a physical box under their TV as opposed to paying large amounts of money for a small box and a controller.

Absolutely the local storage will be reduced to bare minimum: Larger cache than now and, maybe a small drive for limited offline gaming but the vast majority of files will be online.

Varik

crypto currency has ****ed up gpu prices with demand, isn't just Sony or MS that are hit.

They're going for twice or more their original rrp for some models.

Sony could go back to in-house.

Retr0gamer

Skerries wrote: »

Sony would have a deal in place with AMD for a set price per unit as they would be bulk buying

AMD have the better bargaining position now with PC gaming going very strong and cryptocurrency earning them a lot.

Potential-Monke

I genuinely don't care when they bring it out, but Sony have a track record of some of the best games coming out at the end of it's console life cycle, so I'd say we have a few more years of PS4 goodness until then!

Skerries

Sony would have a deal in place with AMD for a set price per unit as they would be bulk buying

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Retr0gamer wrote: »

It depends, the mid life console upgrades are being held back by the architecture of the consoles they are based on and the fact they have to be backwards compatible with them. The last few years has seen a very slow increase in GPU power and an even slower increase in CPU power, but with AMD putting pressure on Intel with Ryzen and bitcoin mining pushing GPU progress there could be a big jump in power with the next system.

And prices alas.

Retr0gamer

Vyse wrote: »

100% agree with this. Would be extremely surprised to see a PS5 before 2020. My guess would be October/ November 2020. If a new console was released in 2019 would it be that much more powerful than the XBoxOne X?

It depends, the mid life console upgrades are being held back by the architecture of the consoles they are based on and the fact they have to be backwards compatible with them. The last few years has seen a very slow increase in GPU power and an even slower increase in CPU power, but with AMD putting pressure on Intel with Ryzen and bitcoin mining pushing GPU progress there could be a big jump in power with the next system.

Vyse

wes wrote: »

I think it will be 2020 at the earliest. The Pro and One X will extend the cycle a little bit.

100% agree with this. Would be extremely surprised to see a PS5 before 2020. My guess would be October/ November 2020. If a new console was released in 2019 would it be that much more powerful than the XBoxOne X?

heebusjeebus

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I rate consoles mostly on the exclusives they deliver and for me the PS4 has so far been a big disappointment compared to previous PS hardware. I'm hoping for a PS3 turn around, that was a terrible console for a long time before totally upping its game and becoming a very good one in its final few years. Until that happens I'm going to be unimpressed with that piece of plastic and silicon which I mostly use to watch Netflix on the communal TV in the house.

Off topic but I could say the same about the Switch (It doesn't even have Netflix :P). Zelda is the only exclusive of interest and the rest are available on Steam.
At least in May, it will have Dark Souls.

Retr0gamer

ERG89 wrote: »

I enjoyed the PS4 complaining about not enough games being on it is a joke after you had 2 Yakuza games, Persona 5, Horizon ZD, Nier Automata, Nioh and Crash Trilogy.
That is just last year, your far more fortunate than me if you had time to play and finish all those. 70 million systems sold has to be for a reason and it isn't just Bloodborne :rolleyes:

Persona 5 is on ps3 and probably coming to pc. Nier is on pc, as is Nier. Crash Trilogy, the games are hardly classics but I've had fun with it and it was a bargain at 40 so I'll give you that. As for Yakuza, yeah they are great. Not sure why Sega hasn't put them on PC. I probably would have enjoyed horizon but zelda made it seem so stale.

So not out of those only really 3 interest me and two of those are remakes of 4 games I already played.

If you don't have a PC the PS4 makes a lot of sense and why it's selling well but if you do it really doesn't offer a lot.

wes

I think it will be 2020 at the earliest. The Pro and One X will extend the cycle a little bit.

Penn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

No need to be so defensive and confrontational.

I rate consoles mostly on the exclusives they deliver and for me the PS4 has so far been a big disappointment compared to previous PS hardware. I'm hoping for a PS3 turn around, that was a terrible console for a long time before totally upping its game and becoming a very good one in its final few years. Until that happens I'm going to be unimpressed with that piece of plastic and silicon which I mostly use to watch Netflix on the communal TV in the house.

At least it's not the Xbox One, a console with so few worthwhile exclusives that it's the only major games console I've had no interest in owning.

Being neither defensive nor confrontational, just pointing out that your opinion and your general dismissal of everything PS4 bar Bloodborne would largely be considered to be in the minority.

ERG89

I enjoyed the PS4 complaining about not enough games being on it is a joke after you had 2 Yakuza games, Persona 5, Horizon ZD, Nier Automata, Nioh and Crash Trilogy.
That is just last year, your far more fortunate than me if you had time to play and finish all those. 70 million systems sold has to be for a reason and it isn't just Bloodborne :rolleyes:

Retr0gamer

Penn wrote: »

The problem with always being so over-dramatic is that you end up disagreeing with yourself.

Either way, you don't like many of the PS exclusives that have come out, and don't like the look of some of the ones due to come out. That's fair enough. But many people do. The exclusives are generally very highly rated and acclaimed by reviewers and by gamers in general. For many, the cost of the console has more than been worth it and were a PS5 to be announced, there are many who'd be lining up to buy one at launch or soon after in order to play the next installments of those exclusive franchises.

No need to be so defensive and confrontational.

I rate consoles mostly on the exclusives they deliver and for me the PS4 has so far been a big disappointment compared to previous PS hardware. I'm hoping for a PS3 turn around, that was a terrible console for a long time before totally upping its game and becoming a very good one in its final few years. Until that happens I'm going to be unimpressed with that piece of plastic and silicon which I mostly use to watch Netflix on the communal TV in the house.

At least it's not the Xbox One, a console with so few worthwhile exclusives that it's the only major games console I've had no interest in owning.

CiDeRmAn

I waited 6 months before buying a PS4 and, like the PS3 before it, it was still too soon.
There was little to recommend the PS4, if anything at all, prior to Bloodborne, and it remains the best reason to own the machine, aside from The Last Guardian, upon which Retr0 and I will have to differ.

I will buy Ninty console on launch all the do-long day, but that's a sickness of mine, Sony and MS consoles, not so much.

Also, if being really sensible, I'd wait until the second hardware iteration as well, at least most of the flaws will be ironed out by then, as opposed to the likes of the PS3 and PS4, as well as shaving off the sheer bulk of them.

Penn

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I feel the 400 euro I put down on the PS4 wasn't worth it yet

Retr0gamer wrote: »

One word: Bloodborne.

If it's a From soulsborne game then the 450 euro cost is more than enough.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

When I did get the PS4 I had my first pay cheque from a new job and bloodborne was around the corner. thought the machine would pick up after the first year... I was so wrong.

The problem with always being so over-dramatic is that you end up disagreeing with yourself.

Either way, you don't like many of the PS exclusives that have come out, and don't like the look of some of the ones due to come out. That's fair enough. But many people do. The exclusives are generally very highly rated and acclaimed by reviewers and by gamers in general. For many, the cost of the console has more than been worth it and were a PS5 to be announced, there are many who'd be lining up to buy one at launch or soon after in order to play the next installments of those exclusive franchises.

Retr0gamer

Cienciano wrote: »

It's never worth getting a console on launch day. No benefit, always worth waiting about 6 months imho. Lineups are never really worth it.

Not always. The switch has been a joy since day one and the vita and psp had very strong line ups and a few consoles launched with genre defining game's like Mario 64.

Doesn't happen as often anymore though.

Cienciano

It's never worth getting a console on launch day. No benefit, always worth waiting about 6 months imho. Lineups are never really worth it.

gimli2112

kunst nugget wrote: »

It's pretty bloated with endless jumping around cliff sections that are monotonous.

There were some good bits to it but this is what I remember, particularly near the end.

Retr0gamer

kunst nugget wrote: »

Why do you buy the console at full price when they chances are you know you're going to be critical of it? Would you not just hold off until the price drops?

One word: Bloodborne.

If it's a From soulsborne game then the 450 euro cost is more than enough.

I actually had a PS4 preordered and traded the preorder for a WiiU on launch day as the PS4 had such an awful line up.

When I did get the PS4 I had my first pay cheque from a new job and bloodborne was around the corner. thought the machine would pick up after the first year... I was so wrong.

The Specialist wrote: »

Maybe you just aren't as much a fan of Western games as you are for Japanese titles? I only played 2 Jap games last year - Yakuza 0 which I absolutely loved, and The Last Guardian which was an absolute pile of **** with a hairy cat. Played the demo of Gravity Rush but it was utter ****e IMO, only lasted 20 mins before I deleted it again.

Spiderman looks like it could be a sleeper for GOTY (depending if it plays as good as it looks & RDR 2 slips to next year ). David Cage has had a couple of missteps (BTS being one of them) but the games are generally engrossing experiences - wouldn't call him god awful by any stretch and Detroit looks surprisingly decent. No interest in GOW or Days Gone so can't comment on those, TLOU 2 of course has big shoes to fill but it's in safe hands.

The problem with Western games is they come out on PC and I'd rather play them there as I've a gaming PC.

As for David Cage, the man is a hack. He has some good ideas but has yet to make a good game.