Influencers over-editing photos in Social Media/Cyber-bullying accusations

silvervixen84

Hi everyone,

A lot has happened over the weekend regarding Irish influencers/bloggers. You can post in here about it, to keep the regular threads on-topic.

This is a gentle reminder to please keep to to the charter. If you have a problem with a post, report it but otherwise, fire away.

GingerLily

Does anyone have an image of the photoshop comparison? All the Instagram and Facebook accounts are closed so it's hard to find the images in question.

retro:electro

I'm on my phone, so I can't post many. But these are some of the pictures being shared on the Instagram page..





Again. Nothing wrong with how she really looks- but it's the extent of the photoshopping that makes people uncomfortable. She is curvy and womanly. Not elfin like a petit as she would have you believe.

This was the picture she posted yesteday (now deleted) where she tried to defend herself and make some kind of deranged point about how she was once "a size 14 fatty" and she's insecure.



Personally, I think the image on the right is nothing short of disgraceful. It's actually uncomfortable to look at, and if she uploaded that to formulate some kind of defence for herself well it's a sad indictment of her state of mind.

njs030

https://twitter.com/gilleechi/status/950033262130421760

This wasn't on any of the groups afaik, came across it last night.

silvervixen84

@notjustsweet (not a mod note btw) I don't think that one is correct. The picture on the right was from her plus-size modelling days afaik, and the picture on the left is a recent one.

SusieBlue

How anyone can defend her after seeing the extent at which she photoshops herself is beyond me.

Her target audience is teenagers, she is a woman in her 30's influencing them to buy her own brand turkey burgers and protein shakers, and to attend her lifestyle workshop for €65 a ticket. She is encouraging them to buy these things under the illusion that they, too, will look like her, if they buy into her lifestyle. How can anyone hope to look like her when SHE doesn't even look like herself?!

The extent to which she edits herself is dangerous and irresponsible. Its a disgrace that she called those who brought this to light bullies.

wolfmoon87

silvervixen84 wrote: »

@notjustsweet (not a mod note btw) I don't think that one is correct. The picture on the right was from her plus-size modelling days afaik, and the picture on the left is a recent one.

No that tweet is correct. The pic on the right is from a shoot she did with Curvy Kate lingerie in Feb/March 2016. The pic on the left is three days before the shoot. It's all on Joanne's instagram.

Edit: adding in insta links:
photoshoot

Three days until photoshoot

njs030

silvervixen84 wrote: »

@notjustsweet (not a mod note btw) I don't think that one is correct. The picture on the right was from her plus-size modelling days afaik, and the picture on the left is a recent one.

I'd be inclined to agree with you if I didn't know Kiera G knows her stuff and at the time of that photo she did put up some heavily edited photos.

I think that's the point KG is making that she can photoshop to the extent.

toodleytoo

wolfmoon87 wrote: »

No that tweet is correct. The pic on the right is from a shoot she did with Curvy Kate lingerie in Feb/March 2016. The pic on the left is three days before the shoot. It's all on Joanne's instagram.

So is the one on the right the photo Curvy Kate lingerie would have put up? And meanwhile the other one is her version of her body at the time?

Or am I misunderstanding?

SusieBlue

toodleytoo wrote: »

So is the one on the right the photo Curvy Kate lingerie would have put up? And meanwhile the other one is her version of her body at the time?

Or am I misunderstanding?

No, that's exactly it. The one on the right was used for the advertising campaign and the other one was uploaded to her personal instagram. Its actually mind blowing.

njs030

toodleytoo wrote: »

So is the one on the right the photo Curvy Kate lingerie would have put up? And meanwhile the other one is her version of her body at the time?

Or am I misunderstanding?

The one on the right is unedited.
The one on the left is how heavily she photoshops her body to look completely different.

It’s madness. I’m delighted this has come to light now..bullying my arse ffs...

What’s wrong here is with Joanne a lot of her followers are so young, you see pics of her with actual kiddies. This is so so wrong on so many levels what they are doing. The editing is a disgrace. If she’s not happy in her own skin then she shouldn’t be “influencer”

Just to say there is nothing wrong with Joanne in the before pics, If I had her figure in the before pics I’d be doing well... this is not the issue it’s her complete cheek to overly edit. I actually find it so maddening

SB_Part2

I'm delighted this has been brought to light. The extent that she photoshops it absolutely ridiculous. She is completely out of proportion and a lot of the time she resembles a bratz doll.

I am also disgusted the route that Goss.ie took insinuating that her ex Paul was emotionally abusive towards her.

Even her response to this whole thing is warped. She needs help.

SusieBlue

Nehemiah Large Mourner wrote: »

It’s madness. I’m delighted this has come to light now..bullying my arse ffs...

What’s wrong here is with Joanne a lot of her followers are so young, you see pics of her with actual kiddies. This is so so wrong on so many levels what they are doing. The editing is a disgrace. If she’s not happy in her own skin then she shouldn’t be “influencer”

Just to say there is nothing wrong with Joanne in the before pics, If I had her figure in the before pics I’d be doing well... this is not the issue it’s her complete cheek to overly edit. I actually find it so maddening

That's the worst thing. Her real, unedited figure is lovely. She is in proportion and toned and looks healthy and well.
Her edited body resembles a Bratz doll. Her waist isn't wide enough to fit in her internal organs and her neck isn't wide enough to support her head.

sunbeam

How does she get away with it?

Is it not obvious to those who attend her workshops or meet her in person that she looks nothing like the cartoonish images she posts on the net?

The sad thing is that she actually looks much better in reality, if the alternative pictures of her reflect that.

Is she going to be doing this at 35? At 40? I cannot imagine that she will cope with the ageing process very well. And what will her target market be then?

There is obviously massive insecurity underlying this. In a deleted post to Instagram/Facebook yesterday she claims to have binged and starved herself. I've done that too. There comes a time in your life where you have to address the underlying psychological issues involved or risk serious damage to your health. I really wish she could find the strength to do that, even if it means stepping away from social media for good.

retro:electro

Anyone who has followed Joanne for a lengthy period will know it's mainly young teenagers who buy her products. She snaps them with their products and many of them look to be 13-16 age. That is what's wrong here. Her target market and the ones buying into her lies are the most impressionable bracket of people you could come across.

pc7

Jebus that’s some serious editing. It doesn’t look remotely like her, it’s very sad to see. She’s done well for herself she should be proud of that, not some false projection character she’s created. No wonder people are so body conscious, I’m so glad social media wasn’t around when I was younger.

retro:electro

SB_Part2 wrote: »

I'm delighted this has been brought to light. The extent that she photoshops it absolutely ridiculous. She is completely out of proportion and a lot of the time she resembles a bratz doll.

I am also disgusted the route that Goss.ie took insinuating that her ex Paul was emotionally abusive towards her.

Even her response to this whole thing is warped. She needs help.

I think Joanne was very conveniently aloof in how she worded her reference to "emotional abuse".
I wonder will she clarify who she was taking about or is she happy to have a potentially innocent man ripped to shreds and assumed an abuser? Will she don her empowering superhero cape and save him from attack, or let him get hit with awful assumptions? Because last time I checked she was all for calling out the bullies and not fuelling the flames. Very irresponsible of her, yet again.

Lindy97

I've no doubt that these influencers get a certain amount of abuse from people and that's never ok, no one is defending that.
That's not what this is however and they never differentiate, anything they see as negativity or criticism is automatically labelled as hate and abuse. This was glaringly obvious when they turned this into an ill judged, self serving anti bullying crusade which many are now back tracking frantically on after it blew up in their faces.
Editing your photos to that extent, while flogging tickets to body positivity workshops and claiming that obvious cosmetic work you've had done is the result of products alone, is not ok.
We're living in a world where 11 year old girls are killing themselves because they're not pretty enough so this **** needs to stop. Be honest about work you've had done, don't lie and say it was contouring or a lip product, don't edit your photos to make yourself 2 sizes smaller than you are, because when you're vulnerable followers can't achieve the same, you're adding to the problem of making them feel less than.

Sorry but Ive had it up to here with this victim mentality they all have about anything negative said about them. They need to answer to someone

silvervixen84

Ah, fair enough, sorry njs

Ginny

Keira G is correct, MUF posted the altered pic stating it was 3 days until shoot, the other pic is the one she used yesterday to defend herself and is the Curvy Kate pic.
The second pic below is the one she posted herself from the CK shoot. Vast differences between all 3.Absolutely nothing wrong with her figure, but you can't be flogging tickets to a body positivity workshop while photoshopping like this.
https://ibb.co/fi08U6

https://ibb.co/iHaQ96

SB_Part2

anna080 wrote: »

I think Joanne was very conveniently aloof in how she worded her reference to "emotional abuse".
I wonder will she clarify who she was taking about or is she happy to have a potentially innocent man ripped to shreds and assumed an abuser? Will she don her empowering superhero cape and save him from attack, or let him get hit with awful assumptions? Because last time I checked she was all for calling out the bullies and not fuelling the flames. Very irresponsible of her, yet again.

Of course she won't.

Bullying wasn't an issue for her when her ex was being abused by her followers was it? She's a hypocrite.

I don't really know what I make of Louise, Sue and Rosie almost back tracking. They kinda threw her under the bus.

ace_irl

I think Rosie came across the best, she actually seamed to take a bit of ownership and I had respect for her for saying she is going to try to do less editing etc. In saying that, I don't think she was ever bad with over editing in the first place.

I think Sue was embarrassed a bit by her rant, and I think MUF is hiding, she was very clever to not actually address the editing thing at all, totally by passed it.

Cria

wolfmoon87 wrote: »

No that tweet is correct. The pic on the right is from a shoot she did with Curvy Kate lingerie in Feb/March 2016. The pic on the left is three days before the shoot. It's all on Joanne's instagram.

Edit: adding in insta links:
photoshoot

Three days until photoshoot

Omg that is unbelievable how has she gotten away with it for so long

silvervixen84

Yeah, Sue back-pedalled a lot on Snapchat. I wonder was the makeup-free face deliberate too?

Hopefully she'll actually stick to what she says and use her voice and influence for good in 2018.

Do ye think this whole situation will change things though, or do ye think it'll be a hot topic for a while, die down and they go back to to their old ways/attitudes?

Cria

anna080 wrote: »

I think Joanne was very conveniently aloof in how she worded her reference to "emotional abuse".
I wonder will she clarify who she was taking about or is she happy to have a potentially innocent man ripped to shreds and assumed an abuser? Will she don her empowering superhero cape and save him from attack, or let him get hit with awful assumptions? Because last time I checked she was all for calling out the bullies and not fuelling the flames. Very irresponsible of her, yet again.

That’s her though isn’t it clarifies nothing she will allow Paul to receive the abuse from her followers and not make it clear if it was him or not

SB_Part2

silvervixen84 wrote: »

Yeah, Sue back-pedalled a lot on Snapchat. I wonder was the makeup-free face deliberate too?

Hopefully she'll actually stick to what she says and use her voice and influence for good in 2018.

Do ye think this whole situation will change things though, or do ye think it'll be a hot topic for a while, die down and they go back to to their old ways/attitudes?

Judging by Joanne's response to it (showing us a heavily edited pic alongside a regular pic) she has learned absolutely nothing and will continue doing what she always does.

Lindy97

I think a few will try to change but looking at MUF's instagram, I can't see her changing. She's still deleting and blocking anyone who says anything about it. She can't do that forever though, when the money stops she'll have to do something. Her brand has been seriously damaged by this.

SusieBlue

I think this has opened a lot of peoples eyes - on the surface it looked like she had it all, her body was the stuff of envy and she lapped up the praise while she was getting it. Now that its come out she never had that body in the first place, a lot of people seem to have been turned off her.

I was going to look up her social blade stats to see if she lost many followers yesterday, but there's no point. She has form for buying in the region of 1k followers a week so they aren't a realistic view of her following/reach either. Everything about her is fake.

Cria

Lindy97 wrote: »

I've no doubt that these influencers get a certain amount of abuse from people and that's never ok, no one is defending that.
That's not what this is however and they never differentiate, anything they see as negativity or criticism is automatically labelled as hate and abuse. This was glaringly obvious when they turned this into an ill judged, self serving anti bullying crusade which many are now back tracking frantically on after it blew up in their faces.
Editing your photos to that extent, while flogging tickets to body positivity workshops and claiming that obvious cosmetic work you've had done is the result of products alone, is not ok.
We're living in a world where 11 year old girls are killing themselves because they're not pretty enough so this **** needs to stop. Be honest about work you've had done, don't lie and say it was contouring or a lip product, don't edit your photos to make yourself 2 sizes smaller than you are, because when you're vulnerable followers can't achieve the same, you're adding to the problem of making them feel less than.

Sorry but Ive had it up to here with this victim mentality they all have about anything negative said about them. They need to answer to someone

Shame on any brand that continues to work with her maybe they will realise the smaller bloggers who don’t buy followers and edit their image and portray the perfect life showing off big houses designer bags flying away constantly and #Ads constantly are the ones the consumer trusts

retro:electro

ace_irl wrote: »

I think Rosie came across the best, she actually seamed to take a bit of ownership and I had respect for her for saying she is going to try to do less editing etc. In saying that, I don't think she was ever bad with over editing in the first place.

I think Sue was embarrassed a bit by her rant, and I think MUF is hiding, she was very clever to not actually address the editing thing at all, totally by passed it.

Rosie had shlt on her face the next day. Her response yesterday was at total odds with the venomous aggression in her voice a day prior, did you see the passive aggressive nail tapping? That was a direct response to a comment written under one of the pictures on Instagram, so don't tell me she wasn't fuming about the insta page, she was! They overreacted, people responsed in a way they weren't expecting and now they're backtracking. They throught these notions about them were only thought by an isolated cohort of catty culty bltches on t'internet and were shocked by the backlash that actually many of their followers felt the same.
The backtracking by all of them was gas. "Oh I didn't mean that, im cool with old pictures being shown- who cares??" 24 hours after she was in an absolute hysteric uploading old photos of herself trying to one up people.

SB_Part2

I've seen a few people say things to Tesco about not buying their clothing range due to MUF. It'd be great to see a brand take action and stop working with them but I don't think this will happen.

sunbeam

SB_Part2 wrote: »

I've seen a few people say things to Tesco about not buying their clothing range due to MUF. It'd be great to see a brand take action and stop working with them but I don't think this will happen.

Honestly at this point seeing bloggers work with brands just puts me off buying from them. I think the tide is turning on these 'influencers' as they now have little more credibility than the paid for placements in magazines that they superseded.

Sunny Dayz

silvervixen84 wrote: »

Do ye think this whole situation will change things though, or do ye think it'll be a hot topic for a while, die down and they go back to to their old ways/attitudes?

I hope it will change how people view bloggers and that more people will question things like the validity of someone's praise of a different brand each week.
However I don't think it will change the ways of many bloggers. MUF has already show that she has learned nothing from what happened the last few days, nothing seems to have registered for her. I doubt that bloggers are suddenly going to admit that they've been getting cosmetics procedures and that their plump lips are not just down to lipliner and lip gloss etc etc. They'll throw up a few "no makeup " selfies and hope that when the fuss dies down after a few days it's be "business" as usual for them.

ace_irl

I saw that nail comment somewhere else, I think it was on reddit to! I couldn't care less if she taps her nails, I literally only noticed she did it when she went on about it herself so she made that one worse by herself. I'm sure she was fuming, I'd say they all had a big rant in their group chat and decided to all go on and go mad and they were certain we'd all be sheepish the next day and be singing their praises.

It's a joke on them, if they had actually engaged with people who had been critical of them and listened to what people actually taught, they'd have known something like this was coming. They misjudged the entire thing.

I think things will either change in a big way or this will all just burn out and go back to how it was. I think MUF will take an extended break and re launch herself, Sosue will go on a big talking buzz about it again but then she'll be back to doing her own thing and we'll probs just see an anti bullying mention every now and again.

pc7

Muf Facebook has photos up last day or two that are obviously tuned and trimmed so nothing will change. Also promoting being fit and protein and the gym. It’s so sad it really is, Facebook really is the best name for it.

retro:electro

Sue is busy today looking to get involved with a charity who has a "stance against anti-bullying"...
Someone would want to inform her of double negatives!

Sunny Dayz

anna080 wrote: »

Rosie had shlt on her face the next day. Her response yesterday was at total odds with the venomous aggression in her voice a day prior, did you see the passive aggressive nail tapping? That was a direct response to a comment written under one of the pictures on Instagram, so don't tell me she wasn't fuming about the insta page, she was! They overreacted, people responsed in a way they weren't expecting and now they're backtracking. They throught these notions about them were only thought by an isolated cohort of catty culty bltches on t'internet and were shocked by the backlash that actually many of their followers felt the same.
The backtracking by all of them was gas. "Oh I didn't mean that, im cool with old pictures being shown- who cares??" 24 hours after she was in an absolute hysteric uploading old photos of herself trying to one up people.

Rosie, Suzanne et al were very quick to point fingers, cry bullying etc. Their reaction was very rash, in short they were just unprofessional. I know some of us may say things in the heat of the moment, but when we are in a work capacity, you certainly have to at least count to 5 before going off on one! Imagine if you behaved like that in your own workplace - went off like that because your boss or a customer critiqued something you did which you probably know you shouldn't do anyway, I'm sorry but you would have gotten a stern warning, if not a P45!


I don't follow these missies, and any bloggers I follow who did make a comment on the goings-on did so yesterday, after they read and listened to what was being said, and took the time to formulate their own thoughts and opinions on it, and put together a coherent and thought out piece or comment.

ace_irl

anna080 wrote: »

Sue is busy today looking to get involved with a charity who has a "stance against anti-bullying"...

Is she actually? I will be catching up on snap in a few mins!

Does she not know how to google?

Maybe I should email her a link to the thread I started on here with the help lines!

Sunny Dayz

anna080 wrote: »

Sue is busy today looking to get involved with a charity who has a "stance against anti-bullying"...

Translation: looking for a charity to pay her to promote them.


(Well didn't Dog's Trust pay her?)

wyrn

It's a wonder that the Andrea Roche Agency didn't say something earlier, or even spot trouble brewing. I wonder was there panic over the weekend when all this blew up. Rosie, Suzanne and Joanne are all influencers with the AR Agency.

There have been so many issues in the last year that you'd think a professional company like that would have a contingency plan to spring into action:

• Implying items were bought and not sent
• Lack of #sp and #ad resulting in ASAI cracking down
• Affiliate links and bloggers get a % of sales
• Declaring tax on payments from reviews
• Videoing (Snapchat / Instagram) while driving
• Rumblings about kids featuring so heavily
• Lack of actual blogging and an increase in just daily ramblings about everyday things
• Denial about fillers, botox, surgery
• Admittance of having fillers, botox, surgery and saying you never denied it
• All the product launches
• White labelled goods
• "Bespoke" items vs items plucked from Ali Express
• Prices of influencer goods (Pippa's planner & candles)
• Facetuning your image to the extent that you are no longer the same person and worthy or being the Lancet for being able to survive without body organs

Some of the above, I don't mind too much. I give credit in that there is a transition from becoming a small blogger into Ireland's top influencer and having to navigate learning all of the grown up things.


That said, they can hardly complain about it when people question certain things in regards to transparency. I'm not talking about people who gossip about their physical appearance (like did they have their lips done) but when customers (and that's who viewers are) ask if the tan they are seeing has been overlaid with a filter.


I think the initial hit out about the bullying claims was a knee jerk reaction to all of the above. For the past year, viewers have become more savvy and are asking the tough questions not just all love light and praise comments. In most cases, it's not being bitchy or catty towards another woman, but genuine curiosity. I think Rosie and SoSueMe realised that their reaction was OTT and backtracked on Sunday.

Cria

anna080 wrote: »

Sue is busy today looking to get involved with a charity who has a "stance against anti-bullying"...

Ah is she jaysis damage control

222233

wyrn wrote: »

There have been so many issues in the last year that you'd think a professional company like that would have a contingency plan to spring into action:

• Implying items were bought and not sent
• Lack of #sp and #ad resulting in ASAI cracking down
• Affiliate links and bloggers get a % of sales
• Declaring tax on payments from reviews
• Videoing (Snapchat / Instagram) while driving
• Rumblings about kids featuring so heavily
• Lack of actual blogging and an increase in just daily ramblings about everyday things
  
• Denial about fillers, botox, surgery
• Admittance of having fillers, botox, surgery and saying you never denied it
• All the product launches
• White labelled goods
• "Bespoke" items vs items plucked from Ali Express
• Prices of influencer goods (Pippa's planner & candles)
• Facetuning your image to the extent that you are no longer the same person and worthy or being the Lancet for being able to survive without body organs

Some of the above, I don't mind too much. I give credit in that there is a transition from becoming a small blogger into Ireland's top influencer and having to navigate learning all of the grown up things.

I don't get why people are put out about Bloggers having surgery and not telling the public. It's not really any one's business unless it's something that they feel they would like to share. If I had surgery I wouldn't feel obliged to tell the people I worked with or my friends. Surely it's up to them as to what they disclose with respect to their appearance and bodies, I doubt the average non blogging individual shares a FB post when they get work done.

wyrn

222233 wrote: »

I don't get why people are put out about Bloggers having surgery and not telling the public. It's not really any one's business unless it's something that they feel they would like to share. If I had surgery I wouldn't feel obliged to tell the people I worked with or my friends. Surely it's up to them as to what they disclose with respect to their appearance and bodies, I doubt the average non blogging individual shares a FB post when they get work done.

Ah I meant to clarify that point. I personally don't care if anyone has any work done. I'm so oblivious to it anyway, someone in my family could come back with a whole new face and I'd never notice.

What I meant it, lots of bloggers get questions about that kind of stuff. I presume some are nosy or others are thinking of getting something done (like fillers) and are asking where did they get it done or how much. It's the bloggers themselves who come on and deny things. I remember MUF denying having fillers done and then saying she had it done once years ago. That's the point I was trying to make. Not that they had work done but that they bring up they haven't when they probably have. If MUF hadn't said anything, I'd have been none the wiser.

ratmouse

silvervixen84 wrote: »

@notjustsweet (not a mod note btw) I don't think that one is correct. The picture on the right was from her plus-size modelling days afaik, and the picture on the left is a recent one.

Both photos were taken in Feb 2016 on thw same week. One was taken by her and heavily edited. 3 days later she did a modelling shoot with a plus size lingerie company called Dear Scantilly. Dear Scantilly posted the unedited photo of her with a fuller body.

Ginny

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

Translation: looking for a charity to pay her to promote them.


(Well didn't Dog's Trust pay her?)

And look how well that turned out...

Ginny

wyrn wrote: »

Ah I meant to clarify that point. I personally don't care if anyone has any work done. I'm so oblivious to it anyway, someone in my family could come back with a whole new face and I'd never notice.

What I meant it, lots of bloggers get questions about that kind of stuff. I presume some are nosy or others are thinking of getting something done (like fillers) and are asking where did they get it done or how much. It's the bloggers themselves who come on and deny things. I remember MUF denying having fillers done and then saying she had it done once years ago. That's the point I was trying to make. Not that they had work done but that they bring up they haven't when they probably have. If MUF hadn't said anything, I'd have been none the wiser.

I don't have any issue with anyone getting anything done.
What I do have an issue with is when people for example obviously get implants and when asked say it's all down to contouring, while funnily enough they're flogging a contouring palette....

ratmouse

Ginny wrote: »

And look how well that turned out...

"My Bella"

Lindy97

Yes, when the cosmetic work is being directly linked to products etc then they should disclose it.

I wonder did the reward for the lost dog ever make it to a charity since the finder apparently didn't want it?

ace_irl

ratmouse wrote: »

"My Bella"

That was heartbreaking.

ace_irl

I actually think Sue has a big heart for dogs. It's something I'd love to see her do more of is charity work for them.