Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

pilly

I think the discussion around what age he is is complete nonsense. What does it matter? He hasn't claimed to be a minor so it makes no odds at all.

ohnonotgmail

tayto lover wrote: »

weldoninhio wrote: »

You've read incorrectly. He'd applied for and was turned down for asylum in UK. He would not have been allowed apply for asylum here.

Where did you see that as I can't make head or tail of this -
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/understanding-migration-and-asylum-european-union

Dublin regulations on the asylum process

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/the_asylum_process_in_ireland/dublin_convention.html

homerjay2005

Noel82 wrote: »

So let me ask you, do you believe Women and Homosexuals should have the same human rights as men? You can't pick and choose, it's one or the other. Be careful though, you don't want to be labeled racist.

this is something, that it appears almost every socialist/liberal in this country seems to blatantly ignore, repeatedly.

ohnonotgmail

silverharp wrote: »

based on the one below I'd say he is 18 going on 23

https://i2-prod.irishmirror.ie/incoming/article11798749.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS140041507.jpg

whether he is 18 or 23 makes no difference. he will be treated the same.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

homerjay2005 wrote: »

this is something, that it appears almost every socialist/liberal in this country seems to blatantly ignore, repeatedly.

the cognitive dissonance required to allow a person hold both views is a sure sign of instability imo.

tayto lover

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Dublin regulations on the asylum process

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/the_asylum_process_in_ireland/dublin_convention.html

Jaysus i'm still as wise. Fierce complicated stuff.

baylah17

Eliza Tall Stance wrote: »

the cognitive dissonance required to allow a person hold both views is a sure sign of instability imo.

Well many societies and religions deny women and LGBTG equal rights, including secular, Christian , Judaism, Islam.
What the inequalities of such societies , cultures and religions have to do with the tragic events in Dundalk is beyond me.

pilly

homerjay2005 wrote: »

this is something, that it appears almost every socialist/liberal in this country seems to blatantly ignore, repeatedly.

Please explain to me how socialist/liberals or whatever you want to call people today ignore the rights of homosexuals and women?

ohnonotgmail

tayto lover wrote: »

Jaysus i'm still as wise. Fierce complicated stuff.

this is the relevant section

Your case may be one where Ireland requests another Dublin country to take charge of your application. Examples of this are where another country has issued you with a visa or work permit, or if you irregularly crossed the frontier of another Dublin country before applying for international protection in Ireland.
Alternatively, Ireland may request that another Dublin country take back your application because, for example, you have made an international protection claim in another Dublin country and that claim has not yet been finalised; or you withdrew your international protection claim in that country; or your application for international protection was rejected and you are in Ireland without permission.

and to clarify what they mean by Dublin Country

The Dublin III Regulation applies to the 28 EU member states, Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. In this document, they are referred to as the Dublin countries.

Professor Moriarty

pilly wrote: »

Please explain to me how socialist/liberals or whatever you want to call people today ignore the rights of homosexuals and women?

People are ranting about Islamic doctrine. Personally, I do think that Islam has some outdated views on issues such as homosexuality and women's rights. But how do Muslims living in Ireland impact on other people's human rights in Ireland? Maybe I'm missing something?

tayto lover

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this is the relevant section



and to clarify what they mean by Dublin Country

Thanks. Is England on that list though?

pilly

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

People are ranting about Islamic doctrine. Personally, I do think that Islam has some outdated views on issues such as homosexuality and women's rights. But how do Muslims living in Ireland impact on other people's human rights in Ireland? Maybe I'm missing something?

I agree, I'm confused. I haven't had anyone tell me I should start mistreating gay people or wear a burka. Very strange?

weldoninhio

tayto lover wrote: »

weldoninhio wrote: »

You've read incorrectly. He'd applied for and was turned down for asylum in UK. He would not have been allowed apply for asylum here.[/QUOTE]


Where did you see that as I can't make head or tail of this -
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/explainers/understanding-migration-and-asylum-european-union

"The rule within the EU (and also including Norway and Switzerland) is that you only have the right to one single asylum proceeding within the EU. There is only one exception to this: that is if you are a minor. Then you can have a second proceeding in Germany (see Art. 8 Dublin III Convention)."

Coles

pilly wrote: »

I agree, I'm confused. I haven't had anyone tell me I should start mistreating gay people or wear a burka. Very strange?

It also seems that the most homophobic misogynists are also Islamophobic. Very confusing. When did the fascists and bigots start caring so much about the gays and the wimmin?

ohnonotgmail

tayto lover wrote: »

Thanks. Is England on that list though?

they are still in the EU so yes.

Coles

homerjay2005 wrote: »

this is something, that it appears almost every socialist/liberal in this country seems to blatantly ignore, repeatedly.

Don't you mean 'Libtards'? You need to learn the lingo if you want to be an alt-right bigot.

weldoninhio

Coles wrote: »

It also seems that the most homophobic misogynists are also Islamophobic. Very confusing. When did the fascists and bigots start caring so much about the gays and the wimmin?

Could you quote any of these "homophobic mysogynists"? or "fascists and bigots"?? I'd like to report their posts.

silverharp

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

People are ranting about Islamic doctrine. Personally, I do think that Islam has some outdated views on issues such as homosexuality and women's rights. But how do Muslims living in Ireland impact on other people's human rights in Ireland? Maybe I'm missing something?

its a weak enough argument but looking at Germany for example you could highlight examples of women there having to compromise their behaviour or what they wear if there happen to be lots of muslim migrants in the area. there was even a couple of schools where the girls were told not to wear skirts lol.
Leaving aside gays and women, What does hurt is seeing the rise in anti-semitic behaviour in Europe, based on European history I feel Europe owes a duty of care to European Jews
As for Ireland, not an issue as of now.

inforfun

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

whether he is 18 or 23 makes no difference. he will be treated the same.

Yep.
As long as they dont claim to be under 18, it doest really matter.
But 33 year old murderers claiming to be 17, is a different story

Professor Moriarty

silverharp wrote: »

its a weak enough argument but looking at Germany for example you could highlight examples of women there having to compromise their behaviour or what they wear if there happen to be lots of muslim migrants in the area. there was even a couple of schools where the girls were told not to wear skirts lol.
Leaving aside gays and women, What does hurt is seeing the rise in anti-semitic behaviour in Europe, based on European history I feel Europe owes a duty of care to European Jews
As for Ireland, not an issue as of now.

I've no evidence of Islamic doctrine impacting on other people's human rights in Ireland. Haven't heard much about Islamic doctrine impacting on human rights across the EU either.

Do you think that the rise in anti-semitic sentiment in Europe is caused by Muslims in the EU?

weldoninhio

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I've no evidence of Islamic doctrine impacting on other people's human rights in Ireland. Haven't heard much about Islamic doctrine impacting on human rights across the EU either.

Do you think that the rise in anti-semitic sentiment in Europe is caused by Muslims in the EU?

https://youtu.be/6gZFGpNdH1A

silverharp

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I've no evidence of Islamic doctrine impacting on other people's human rights in Ireland. Haven't heard much about Islamic doctrine impacting on human rights across the EU either.

Do you think that the rise in anti-semitic sentiment in Europe is caused by Muslims in the EU?

I said it isn't an issue in Ireland mainly because of numbers. Based on "Islamic doctrine" its certainly possible that muslim men see non muslim women as lesser and deserving of less respect in public.

Yes to your last question

Professor Moriarty

silverharp wrote: »

I said it isn't an issue in Ireland mainly because of numbers. Based on "Islamic doctrine" its certainly possible that muslim men see non muslim women as lesser and deserving of less respect in public.

Yes to your last question

I would have thought that there was a large degree of latent (and active) anti-Semitism in the EU long before the influx of Muslims. Hard to believe that far right anti-Semitism would be influenced by Islamic doctrine.

splinter65

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would have expected the state to cover any costs

An Irishman was murdered in Australia last week.
Did you think that Australia are flying his remains back to Ireland?

splinter65

pilly wrote: »

Please explain to me how socialist/liberals or whatever you want to call people today ignore the rights of homosexuals and women?

The socialist politicians (P Murphy R Coppinger C Daly etc) are very pro immigration but ignore the violent homophobia and horrific misogyny that’s acceptable in most of the countries that the immigrants originate from.

homerjay2005

pilly wrote: »

Please explain to me how socialist/liberals or whatever you want to call people today ignore the rights of homosexuals and women?

nobody said that at all. youd want to keep up with the conversation.

i believe youve already been answered anyway in the post directly before mine.

silverharp

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I would have thought that there was a large degree of latent (and active) anti-Semitism in the EU long before the influx of Muslims. Hard to believe that far right anti-Semitism would be influenced by Islamic doctrine.

?? I am talking about Muslim inspired anti Semitism based on Islamic doctrine and their community's attitude to Jewish people.


for example

http://www.newsweek.com/muslim-anti-semitism-threatens-frances-democracy-716055

Paris—“In the Merah household, we were brought up with hating Jews, the hatred of everything that was not Muslim.”

These were the chilling words of Abdelghani Merah at the trial of his brother, Abdelkader Merah, who was accused of conspiring with a third brother, Mohamed, to murder three soldiers, three Jewish schoolchildren, and a teacher in Toulouse, France, in 2012.

Abdelghani also revealed, at the time, that “when the medical examiner brought [his] brother’s corpse home, people came over. They cried tears of joy. They said that he had brought France to its knees. That he did well. Their only regret was that he had not killed more Jewish children.”

pilly

splinter65 wrote:

The socialist politicians (P Murphy R Coppinger C Daly etc) are very pro immigration but ignore the violent homophobia and horrific misogyny that’s acceptable in most of the countries that the immigrants originate from.

Because they're not in government in those countries perhaps?

What would you like them to do about other countries?

seachto7

pilly wrote: »

Because they're not in government in those countries perhaps?

What would you like them to do about other countries?

They usually have no problem giving their opinions on what's going on in other countries.

s3rtvdbwfj81ch

splinter65 wrote: »

An Irishman was murdered in Australia last week.
Did you think that Australia are flying his remains back to Ireland?

Goes to show how much you know.

Why would the Aus govt fly the remains of a 17 year old to Ireland? He lived his life in Perth, with his mother.