Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

awec

It's not Lancaster ffs.

Why would he leave Leinster right now?

Buer

launish116 wrote: »

Not to many Leinster fans shouting reject at Murphy now.....

Don't think many ever did. Bloke has been consistently excellent whenever fit and had a consistent run. Not many Irish flankers that have started tests against SA, NZ and England and looked very good against all three.

His signing is the best single piece of business any province will do this year.

Burkie1203

Jeremy Davidson was bandied about earlier. Wonder will Jared Payne call it a day and take up a coaching role

launish116

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Jeremy Davidson was bandied about earlier. Wonder will Jared Payne call it a day and take up a coaching role

Bryn is quotes stating the name hasn’t come up though! Could be smoke and mirrors.
Intriguing few weeks coming up! Payne as defence coach? I’d be happy enough.
will any new DOR/coach get to chose their team?

awec

awec wrote: »

It's not Lancaster ffs.

Why would he leave Leinster right now?

Apparently Sexton has him driven demented. Everytime they practice the loop play in training (which is most of the time) Sexton insists that everyone refer to it as the "Sexton" loop. If anyone forgets and calls it the wrong name they have to restart the move from the beginning.

The problem is that it makes Lancaster extremely uncomfortable. He prefers not to say the word '...sex...' out loud and having to say "Sexton loop" 30 times per training has left him in a compromised state. He was attracted to the Presbyterian virtues of Northern Ireland and as he saw nothing in the Yorkshire news which said anything negative about Ulster Rugby he thought it a good move.

MJohnston

launish116 wrote: »

Bryn is quotes stating the name hasn’t come up though! Could be smoke and mirrors.
Intriguing few weeks coming up! Payne as defence coach? I’d be happy enough.
will any new DOR/coach get to chose their team?

He's hardly likely to be aware of the rumours that only appeared on this forum just this morning.

launish116

MJohnston wrote: »

He's hardly likely to be aware of the rumours that only appeared on this forum just this morning.

Rumours easily found all over twitter. Plenty of coach time travelling to Munster.

Now to put the cat amongst the pigeons and wind Awec up. To quote Bryan:

“It's just a mutual thing from our point of view and where the coach is coming from. You have to have respect for each other's situation and it'll take a bit of time before both are content to release it formally.

"At this stage, it would be disrespectful of me to go against other people and their wishes but I'm positive we're moving in the right direction."

Does that remind you of any recent situation? With club/coaches complaining about timing of Irfu intervention?

foxyladyxx

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ulster-confirm-they-have-signed-number-one-head-coach-candidate-36854743.html

foxyladyxx

It has made the morning newspapers

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/ulster-confirm-they-have-signed-number-one-head-coach-candidate-36854743.html

The Black Stags

mfceiling wrote: »

joseywhales wrote: »

If you take Lancaster and carbery you owe Leinster the first born of every member of the squad.

If it is true and coupled with Moore, Jordi and Timoney we may as well change our name to the North Leinster rejects.

You left out Cooney, O'Connor, Greg Jones and Shanahan - all from Leinster.

Throw in some people from England, South Africa and the other provinces and home grown guys are thin on the ground - especially with some of the few we have retiring/coming to the ends of their careers.

Burkie1203

Mallinder is a free agent so it's not him surely if there is an out clause to be respected

bilston

launish116 wrote: »

Wegians89 wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Is that  a piss take?

I’ve seen it mentioned in a few places but the origin seems to be rugbyinsideline on Twitter. Dno if that’s reliable

The sad thing, after a quick google he's done well stat wise at London Irish. Most carries and turnovers in his short time there. But he is now injuried. Wonder is there concern Deysel is finished? Rory Grice could be worth considering.
If we sign a backdrop and ignore loosehead/2nd row fans will go mad. Paddy Ryan and Andries Ferreira are out of contract.
What have we learnt from Munster V Ulster?

• - We don't have ball carriers...had 4 opensides playing today. Ospreys playoff will be worse with our injuries.
• - Gilroy can't catch a ball to save a life, I was considering him as our future fullback. Answered that today.
• - Marshal needs to work on passing
• - Shanahan may of sealed his fate
• + Curtis is a hard nut and looks very good considering his age/experience
• + O'Toole had a hard shift but more experience, hard to remember his age

I like Luke Marshall...he bleeds Ulster but I've been having this drum for a couple of years now. HE JUST CAN'T PASS ON THE FECKING HOOF...this is the sole reason why he hasn't become the player he should have. The rest of his game is good, but he can't be trusted to pass the ball.

BBDBB

any news on Hendersons injury?

Buer

If we take Cunningham at face value and believe that it's someone Ulster consider their top target and they cannot name them for a few weeks due to their current situation, I think it narrows things down significantly.

The delay in naming suggests he's involved with another team for that period i. e. his side will be in a playoff situation. We can reduce the numbers very quickly then. None of the Pro14 coaches are potential candidates in that case with the possible exception of Cockerill I would argue. Rennie or Pivac simply aren't going to join Ulster.

In the AP we have McCall, Young and Dean Richards. Any of those could be argued to be Ulster's top target and I haven't seen any linked properly thus far.

I think there's a realistic rationale for any of those to be attracted to Ulster also. Richards would be a huge coup. He has been at Newcastle for 6 years now, taken them a long way but will never have the resources or players to win silverware. Wasps are said to be in significant bother behind the scenes. McCall has nothing left to achieve at Saracens and the team is probably past its best. A return home could be attractive.

Davidson won't be in any playoff so his season ends in a week. He doesn't fit that description as the head coach anyway. I can't see any other French coach coming in. Simon Mannix is the only guy there in contention for the playoffs that might be interested and he certainly wouldn't be the top target.

Bazzo

Buer wrote: »

If we take Cunningham at face value and believe that it's someone Ulster consider their top target and they cannot name them for a few weeks due to their current situation, I think it narrows things down significantly.

The delay in naming suggests he's involved with another team for that period i. e. his side will be in a playoff situation. We can reduce the numbers very quickly then. None of the Pro14 coaches are potential candidates in that case with the possible exception of Cockerill I would argue. Rennie or Pivac simply aren't going to join Ulster.

In the AP we have McCall, Young and Dean Richards. Any of those could be argued to be Ulster's top target and I haven't seen any linked properly thus far.

I think there's a realistic rationale for any of those to be attracted to Ulster also. Richards would be a huge coup. He has been at Newcastle for 6 years now, taken them a long way but will never have the resources or players to win silverware. Wasps are said to be in significant bother behind the scenes. McCall has nothing left to achieve at Saracens and the team is probably past its best. A return home could be attractive.

Davidson won't be in any playoff so his season ends in a week. He doesn't fit that description as the head coach anyway. I can't see any other French coach coming in. Simon Mannix is the only guy there in contention for the playoffs that might be interested and he certainly wouldn't be the top target.

Could be a southern hemisphere coach too.

prawnsambo

bilston wrote: »

I like Luke Marshall...he bleeds Ulster but I've been having this drum for a couple of years now. HE JUST CAN'T PASS ON THE FECKING HOOF...this is the sole reason why he hasn't become the player he should have. The rest of his game is good, but he can't be trusted to pass the ball.

It's actually bizarre. He can pop a nice offload and has good hands when standing still or moving slowly. Once he gets up to a canter it's like his brain can't manage the multi-tasking necessary to make a pass.

Burkie1203

Buer wrote: »

If we take Cunningham at face value and believe that it's someone Ulster consider their top target and they cannot name them for a few weeks due to their current situation, I think it narrows things down significantly.

The delay in naming suggests he's involved with another team for that period i. e. his side will be in a playoff situation. We can reduce the numbers very quickly then. None of the Pro14 coaches are potential candidates in that case with the possible exception of Cockerill I would argue. Rennie or Pivac simply aren't going to join Ulster.

In the AP we have McCall, Young and Dean Richards. Any of those could be argued to be Ulster's top target and I haven't seen any linked properly thus far.

I think there's a realistic rationale for any of those to be attracted to Ulster also. Richards would be a huge coup. He has been at Newcastle for 6 years now, taken them a long way but will never have the resources or players to win silverware. Wasps are said to be in significant bother behind the scenes. McCall has nothing left to achieve at Saracens and the team is probably past its best. A return home could be attractive.

Davidson won't be in any playoff so his season ends in a week. He doesn't fit that description as the head coach anyway. I can't see any other French coach coming in. Simon Mannix is the only guy there in contention for the playoffs that might be interested and he certainly wouldn't be the top target.

Is girvan Dempsey out of contract this season?

Curveball ......

prawnsambo

BBDBB wrote: »

any news on Hendersons injury?

No. They said they have to wait a few days for the swelling to go down before they can do scans. It doesn't sound good though.

Buer

Bazzo wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

If we take Cunningham at face value and believe that it's someone Ulster consider their top target and they cannot name them for a few weeks due to their current situation, I think it narrows things down significantly.

The delay in naming suggests he's involved with another team for that period i. e. his side will be in a playoff situation. We can reduce the numbers very quickly then. None of the Pro14 coaches are potential candidates in that case with the possible exception of Cockerill I would argue. Rennie or Pivac simply aren't going to join Ulster.

In the AP we have McCall, Young and Dean Richards. Any of those could be argued to be Ulster's top target and I haven't seen any linked properly thus far.

I think there's a realistic rationale for any of those to be attracted to Ulster also. Richards would be a huge coup. He has been at Newcastle for 6 years now, taken them a long way but will never have the resources or players to win silverware. Wasps are said to be in significant bother behind the scenes. McCall has nothing left to achieve at Saracens and the team is probably past its best. A return home could be attractive.

Davidson won't be in any playoff so his season ends in a week. He doesn't fit that description as the head coach anyway. I can't see any other French coach coming in. Simon Mannix is the only guy there in contention for the playoffs that might be interested and he certainly wouldn't be the top target.

Could be a southern hemisphere coach too.

It could be but it would be hard to understand the delay in naming them for a few weeks if so. The Super Rugby season runs for a few more months.

Buer

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Is girvan Dempsey out of contract this season?

Curveball ......

Possibly I vaguely recall but if it's him then Cunningham was definitely lying through his teeth about it being their top target.

I reckon it's going to be someone with high level experience as a head coach or DOR.

bilston

Somebody in the 42 comments section reckons it's Simon Easterby. Probably b***** but another name to throw into the mix. I doubt the IRFU would be happy to break up the current Irish coaching set up though so would likely veto it.

Personally I could see it being Lancaster, he may have eyes on the Ireland job in 2020, but he'd probably need a head coach role first. Even then it doesn't really give him very long to prove himself given the resources he would be working with.

If it is Andy Friend then Bryn has really just exaggerated big time.

launish116

Moneys on McCall or Lancaster. If it’s the latter I’d be sickened as a Leinster fan. IRFU & Ulster can’t afford to get this wrong again and with all the academies promise now is the time to get it right.

awec

Friend is already out of a job, don't see why there'd be a delay announcing him.

bilston

launish116 wrote: »

Moneys on McCall or Lancaster. If it’s the latter I’d be sickened as a Leinster fan. IRFU & Ulster can’t afford to get this wrong again and with all the academies promise now is the time to get it right.

The promise in the Academy is another reason as to why it may be Lancaster. That's what he is good at. Bringing through young players. The timing could be perfect.

prawnsambo

awec wrote: »

Friend is already out of a job, don't see why there'd be a delay announcing him.

Is he not still the coach for Australia's sevens team?

Buer

If it's Lancaster, I'll burn Ravenhill to the ground.

There's a line.

Squidgy Black

Buer wrote: »

If it's Lancaster, I'll burn Ravenhill to the ground.

There's a line.

Sure at that rate they may as well take Noel Reid too!

(Please do.)

prawnsambo

Buer wrote: »

If it's Lancaster, I'll burn Ravenhill to the ground.

There's a line.

I'll be right beside you with the matches.

Bazzo

prawnsambo wrote: »

Is he not still the coach for Australia's sevens team?

He is, and they've just gone into the semis of the Singapore 7s, but it's already been announced that his contract isn't being renewed.

launish116

bilston wrote: »

launish116 wrote: »

Moneys on McCall or Lancaster. If it’s the latter I’d be sickened as a Leinster fan. IRFU & Ulster can’t afford to get this wrong again and with all the academies promise now is the time to get it right.

The promise in the Academy is another reason as to why it may be Lancaster. That's what he is good at. Bringing through young players. The timing could be perfect.

A good coach and player manager with the ability to bring on our current academy talent! Could potentially set up Ulster with players for next decade.

Still think Lancaster should be overseeing all academies! The the **** he got in England, he’s a gent and very good coach.