Forgetfulness & Sleep

Black Swan

Older Adults' Forgetfulness Tied To Faulty Brain Rhythms In Sleep. Paper suggests aging can affect memory, and "Atrophy in this area of the brain is a normal consequence of aging." Varying levels of atrophy can occur for people without brain diseases like Alzheimer's.

Comments? Or did we forget what to say?

Fathom

Would repetitive, procedural jobs also contribute to atrophy? How about rhythms thrown off by disruptive work shifts. Always shifting? Or cramming for exams?

Black Swan

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Or cramming for exams?

Shelby H. McIntyre and J. Michael Munson, Exploring Cramming: Student Behaviors, Beliefs, and Learning Retention in the Principles of Marketing Course, Journal of Marketing Education, Volume 30 issue 3, pp 226-243, May 2008, discusses deterioration in retention.

Fathom

Forgetfulness mitigated by metacognitive skills practice.

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Forgetfulness mitigated by metacognitive skills practice.

See R.E. Clark at USC for declarative and procedural knowledge, and how metacognitive skills can be used to enhance learning and memory.

Fathom

Confused. Can dreams be declarative? Procedural?

Black Swan

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Confused. Can dreams be declarative? Procedural?

Grand questions I'll have to look up, or consult with Dick Clark at USC.

Fathom

Black Swan wrote: »

Grand questions I'll have to look up, or consult with Dick Clark at USC.

"Forgetfulness?"

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"Forgetfulness?"

Indeed!

Fathom

Forgetfulness of this thread?

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Comments? Or did we forget what to say?

Humourous recycling comments, making me wonder if the topic has merit here?

Fathom

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Paper suggests aging can affect memory

Summer volunteer. Helping Seniors with MCI/Alzheimers. Recall many not remembering dreams.

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Summer volunteer. Helping Seniors with MCI/Alzheimers. Recall many not remembering dreams.

This would agree with the research article in the OP.

Fathom

Alzheimer drug treatments may increase nightmares. Ref: Stephen M. Stahl, et al, (2004) in Examination of nighttime sleep-related problems during double-blind, placebo-controlled trials of galantamine in patients with Alzheimer's disease, Current Medical Research and Opinion, Volume 20, Issue 4.

Black Swan

When a student crams for exams. Should they cram up to sleep time. Get up refreshed and go to the exam? Or get up early and cram some more before exams? Which is best to avoid forgetfulness?

Fathom

Less forgetful? Night before, morning after, or both?

Black Swan

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Less forgetful? Night before, morning after, or both?

Individual differences?

Fathom

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Individual differences?

Case study level. Qualitative.

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Case study level. Qualitative.

"A" grade for methods homework!

Fathom

Don't forget!

Fathom

Keep notepad by bed. Dream. Awake. Write or forget.

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Keep notepad by bed. Dream. Awake. Write or forget.

Ben Franklin, historically one of America's most prolific inventors, used this method, claiming that many of his ideas found substance in dreams. He too believed that if you didn't write it down immediately upon waking up, you would more than likely lose it.

Fathom

Note to self. Look up Franklin. Dreams. Inventions.

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Note to self. Look up Franklin. Dreams. Inventions.

Biography.

Fathom

Last night's nightmare I wish to forget.

Fathom

JF Blanchette and DG Johnson, "Data retention and the panoptic society: The social benefits of forgetfulness," The Information Society, 2002. Talk about benefits?

Black Swan

Do we need to define forgetfulness as a concept, or is it an elaboration of the obvious?

Fathom

Conceptually & operationally defined. Different per researchers?

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What about intersubjectivity?

Fathom

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What about intersubjectivity?

Lit review purpose?

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Indeed

Fathom

Potter, Hartman & Ward (2009) in Perceived stress and everyday memory complaints among older adult women, Journal of Anxiety, Stress & Coping, Vol 22, Issue 4, Pages 475-481, suggested "Partial correlation analyses indicated that higher levels of perceived stress were associated with higher levels of memory complaints." But sample size small (n= 54). Caution should be used.

Black Swan

I bet with the small sample size (n = 54) they used Pearson r to do their correlation analysis, which, may be stretching it. Using caution as recommended above, perhaps they should have treated it nonparametrically and used an appropriate statistical formula accordingly?

Fathom

Probably parametric treatment. Statistical violation.

Black Swan

Fathom gets "A" grade for Research Methods.

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Month end close, grant reports due 30 out, so a bit of distress may account for my forgetting my dreams.

Fathom

Cramming for exams. Dream forgetfulness. But not school materials. Forgetfulness selective?

Black Swan

Methinks that the scholarly literature would be lacking in concept selective forgetfulness.

Fathom

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Methinks that the scholarly literature would be lacking in concept selective forgetfulness.

Meltzer, M., Selective Forgetfulness: Christopher Columbus Reconsidered, New Advocate, v5 n1 p1-9 Win 1992. :cool:

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Paul Ricoeur, Memory, Forgetfulness, and History, The Jerusalem Philosophical Quarterly, 45 (July 1996), pp. 13-24 .

Fathom

Forgot if I locked home door this morning. Went back to check. Procedural knowledge forgotten. Declarative remembered for exams. Wonders. Which stands out in dreams? Procedural? Declarative? Both? Ask Richard Clark?

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Forgot if I locked home door this morning. Went back to check. Procedural knowledge forgotten. Declarative remembered for exams. Wonders. Which stands out in dreams? Procedural? Declarative? Both? Ask Richard Clark?

Dick would be pleased to see your use of procedural and declarative knowledge as applied to dreams. I'll bring it up when I coffee with him next.

Fathom

Dream recall. Procedural or declarative? Derridean dichotomy?

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Dream recall. Procedural or declarative? Derridean dichotomy?

Grand point. Will give it some thought and reply when time permits.

Fathom

Jacques Derrida might turn over in his grave? If limiting ourselves to procedural and declarative?

Black Swan

No problems with forgetfulness for you.

Fathom

Not when cramming for exams! After?

Black Swan

What extent will the final exams cram and data dump affect dream content, as well as post-exam forgetfulness?

Fathom

Case study (me). n=1.

Black Swan

Individual unit of analysis, in more ways than one.

Fathom

Population of 1.