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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,380 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    So you mean you want to turn rural villages into projects (you know like Ballymun in Dublin and Knocknaheeny in Cork). Because projects have such a history of succeeding.

    So these people have no jobs, so in the main have no transport. Are you going to buy them cars?
    Their kids are now miles from any city facilities, are you going to build a pool, soccer pitches, rugby pitches?
    How are they going to get to college? You've said that you will put jobs in the area (yet to be explained), what about education. I assume that your "Jobs" will not provide enough for student digs in Dublin/Cork?

    Who is going to look after their elderly relatives, now that you have forced them out of easy reach?
    Have you planned for the extra hospital/nursing beds or carers, which will now be required in the city?

    How do you plan to integrate the city folk, who have no experience of living in the country, with the local residents?
    Are you going to build cinemas, restaurants, supermarkets yourself or are you going to wait for the market to catch up? If yourself and you going to subsidise these businesses? For how much and how long?
    Will the local residents be consulted before you drop several hundred people into their community?

    What jobs are you putting there? They will have to be non-skilled as I assume that these people will have low levels of education. How many people are you planning on moving out there, given the level of population that you will need to man a facility (why are we not able to do this for the current rural population by the way).

    What housing are you going to provide? Will this be free? Are you planning on forcing (cleansing) these people from their homes?

    You are talking absolute complete fascist horsesh1t

    ?

    Concentrations in cities has proven immensely successful hasn't it?

    All these amenities on their doorsteps currently.. The upward mobility must be staggering..

    You don't change mindsets with amenities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    lawred2 wrote: »
    ?

    Concentrations in cities has proven immensely successful hasn't it?

    Yes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,852 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    What are you blathering on about.
    Social housing is not free FFS
    It's linked to the income of the inhabitants (all, including any adult children in residence)

    right, let me guess! its some pittance of their income they pay? not the 50% some are landing out to rent their own place or 25% to rent a room with in a house share with strangers?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,380 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Yes.

    Urm ok then jobbridge4life


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Urm ok then jobbridge4life

    I like that you picked up on my name there lawred... interestingly because I lived in Dublin 8 I was able to secure a worthwhile JobBridge internship at a major organisation in Dublin 8, I was able to walk to my internship, I was able to walk to collect my dole plus the fifty euro bonus for participating in JobBridge, I managed to secure employment and have been promoted since. All thanks to city living. Kisses.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    right, let me guess! its some pittance of their income they pay? not the 50% some are landing out to rent their own place or 25% to rent a room with in a house share with strangers?

    It's not really a social housing problem when people in private rented accommodation are paying 50% of their income on rent.
    It's a private rental problem which the govt won't address.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,852 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Bring back the workhouse
    you know what? i love this comment! hundreds of thousands brake their balls every day, not far from being in the work house, so the legions of wasters that Ireland tolerates can continue to complain how bad they have it, with their free travel , free gp visits etc! While irelands own wolf of wall streets on 30k or thereabouts in dublin, go without gp visists or fork out E60 a pop!

    Many workers are majorly struggling thanks to the outrageous welfare state here!


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,380 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I like that you picked up on my name there lawred... interestingly because I lived in Dublin 8 I was able to secure a worthwhile JobBridge internship at a major organisation in Dublin 8, I was able to walk to my internship, I was able to walk to collect my dole plus the fifty euro bonus for participating in JobBridge, I managed to secure employment and have been promoted since. All thanks to city living. Kisses.

    Wouldn't it be great if your story was universal eh!?

    Reality is is that it's not.

    No amount of nearby amenities seems to be enough or will ever be enough for some people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    you know what? i love this comment! hundreds of thousands break their balls every day, not far from being in the work house, so the legions of wasters that Ireland tolerates can continue to complain how bad they have it, with their free travel , free gp visits etc! Why irelands own wolf of wall streets on 30k or thereabouts in dublin, go without gp visists or fork out E60 a pop!

    Many workers are majorly struggling thanks to the outrageous welfare state here!

    How is the welfare state causing people to be poor? The taxes were raised to pay for the bank bailouts. Private sector rent is impoverishing people. Not social welfare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm getting sick of seeing McVerry on the TV as well dismissing every strategy the Government bring in while offering no solutions himself.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    I'm getting sick of seeing McVerry on the TV as well dismissing every strategy the Government bring in while offering no solutions himself.

    As long as McVerry is on tv the less this govt can ignore this crisis.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,852 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    How is the welfare state causing people to be poor? The taxes were raised to pay for the bank bailouts. Private sector rent is impoverishing people. Not social welfare.

    50% income tax over a paltry amount! you are right, the rents are killing people too! my opinion is the standard of living between many of those that work and those that dont, is the same, if not the standard of living of the work shy, might indeed be better than some workers, its a disgrace!

    nama has made a profit! the welfare is a YEARLY EXPENSE of 23,000,000,000! also LOL at the likely repecussion if we reneged on the debt, I am not talking about the morality of it... The only people being bled dry to pay for all of it are the mid to high income workers in particular!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Odd. The working poor should look to the even poorer for their troubles?

    Part of the problem was during the boom. You had property worth a fortune, but many were looking at it logically, 'sure I can sell my house for 400+K but then where will I go? Down the country somewhere?' Sensible approach. The LA's, backed by government of course chose a different route. Now they pay our money to private landlords and Hotels.

    NAMA is set to give developers loans at a more favourable rate than banks are willing to. So we're entering the building houses business, just not reaping any profit or having any state owned houses to show, so business as usual I suppose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    NIMAN wrote:
    There is now a momentum among the people to continually talk about the homelessness crisis to use it as a stick to beat the authorities over. Every Tom Dick and Harry is telling us we should built a home for every single 'homeless' family.

    I predict that we will get see Homelessness fatigue. It's being constantly brought up that at some point people will turn off it the more they start to delve in, and ask questions. E. G. From the programme, why did no one ask where the father of the woman's children was to contribute to their housing needs?
    SOcial housing for low income workers (like I'm sure your D8 street is filled with) is fine, nobody including myself has taken issue with it. What I want to do is take all the permanently unemployed , the trouble makers, the smack heads etc… and spread them out all across the country. Give the current social housing stock in dublin to those with a need, who work.

    We could kill two birds with one stone, build cheap social housing in dying rural villages and obviate the need to close their post offices, as they would then become very busy.

    There's a pressing need to build affordable housing in the city for lower paid workers, but there is no need to provide very expensive housing in the city for long term social recipient's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    As long as McVerry is on tv the less this govt can ignore this crisis.

    The Government aren't ignoring it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    The poor aren't an ethnic group. You or I could find ourselves poor. Finances go up and down. Most of these Dickensian suggestions refer to a mythical class of people who don't and won't work. I'm sure they exist, but not in great enough numbers to cause any big problems. They should be rooted out by all means.
    The welfare bill goes in part towards stuffing the pockets of Landlords/B&B's/hotels due to bad management of the state. The bill also goes towards supporting the sick and elderly. Hate to break it to people, but that's what civilized states do.
    People should cop on to the fact that an economy is only as worthwhile as the quality of life it provides for the people. High numbers on a sheet of paper mean nothing if we've crises not being tackled, in some cases made worse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    I'm getting sick of seeing McVerry on the TV as well dismissing every strategy the Government bring in while offering no solutions himself.

    The Peter McVerry Trust is providing more and more accommodation. They are literally working harder than ever to help clean up the mess. Extremely unfair to suggest anything else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I wonder is part of the reason the numbers in hotels aren't decreasing down to the fact that they all want to live in Dublin City Centre and refuse to accept anything on the outskirts of the city or in the surrounding counties?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The Peter McVerry Trust is providing more and more accommodation. They are literally working harder than ever to help clean up the mess. Extremely unfair to suggest anything else.

    I never said the organisation wasn't doing anything but in my own view he doesn't seem to want to give anything the Government comes up with a chance to work.

    There's no quick fix solution despite what some might think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    I wonder is part of the reason the numbers in hotels aren't decreasing down to the fact that they all want to live in Dublin City Centre and refuse to accept anything on the outskirts of the city or in the surrounding counties?

    No. That's mostly mythical.

    Where ever you reside or where you became homeless; that's the council you apply to. One council can't allocate homes from another.
    Also to move down the country you need apply for special schemes, it's not an option on the table when you go on the housing list.
    Also, if you are offered a home and turn it down because of location, you are penalised. It's not something that happens as often as apologists claim.

    I would dearly love to see numbers on who won't work yet claims welfare and those who turn down homes because of location.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    The Government aren't ignoring it.

    I know. And some thanks must go to McVerry, Sr. Stan and others for that.


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    jm08 wrote: »
    I really don't know how country people manage to get an education, some even get to college, buy food, learn to swim or produce the best GAA players in the country. Even managed to produce the odd good soccer player like Shane Long, Kevin Doyle or Seamus Coleman.



    Most people in the country villages have cars, I asked if the poster was going to provide these free of charge?
    Or provide money for city digs for the college age kids? Because he is still very light on the jobs part of his plan, other than "They will be there"


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    lawred2 wrote: »
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    You don't change mindsets with amenities.


    Actuallly when it comes to kids it does.


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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    right, let me guess! its some pittance of their income they pay? not the 50% some are landing out to rent their own place or 25% to rent a room with in a house share with strangers?



    What a landlord gouges is not what a local authority should be aspiring to.
    In fact if there WERE more social houses there would not be as much pressure on the private market (or there should be rent caps)

    The provision of social housing is not driving rents up.

    And, as I said, my parents were paying more monthly than the equivalent cost of a mortgage but they were too old to qualify for such.

    Actually, with your ideals unless you earn more than me I demand more acess to "Stuff" because I pay more tax


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Lu Tze


    Most people in the country villages have cars, I asked if the poster was going to provide these free of charge?
    Or provide money for city digs for the college age kids? Because he is still very light on the jobs part of his plan, other than "They will be there"

    Its amazing that the people who don't live in Dublin currently, manage to get by at all, or send their kids to college.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,890 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I wonder is part of the reason the numbers in hotels aren't decreasing down to the fact that they all want to live in Dublin City Centre and refuse to accept anything on the outskirts of the city or in the surrounding counties?

    Yes, that certainly seems to be the case from looking at the figures. I haven't seen or heard an alternative credible explanation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,607 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The Government aren't ignoring it.

    Totally correct, in fact they are spending an absolutely huge amount of money on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭nlrkjos


    Another problem as I see it is the amount of council houses occupied by just couples. Some 3 bedroom houses where I live have a middle age couple whose children have moved on..two I know of have just a single man living in a 3 bed house. I understand these have become "homes" rather than just a house but they are council owned and could be better utilized by moving the "empty nesters" and re-housing them in single bedroom accommodation releasing the house to a family. I'm sure this is the situation around the country. Two refusals to a house should also be the max people are allowed, after that take them down the list.


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    Lu Tze wrote: »
    Its amazing that the people who don't live in Dublin currently, manage to get by at all, or send their kids to college.


    Because they have jobs and families already.

    Dropping several hundred untrained and unemployed people into a village will work you think?

    Seriously tell me, will that succeed?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    The state is there to give an education, keep hospitals open, install law and order etc.

    Its not there to give people handouts from the cradle to the grave, its not sustainable in this day and age.

    Everyone able bodied needs to contribute to the pot.


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