Should the word "******" be censored in Fairytale of New York

Omackeral

Saw this ongoing on another thread and was wondering if people are as bothered by it as one poster in particular was.

Is it political correctness? Is it right to beep it out or change it? Should I even have censored the thread title?

eamonnq

Nah

Blitzkrieger

Which word? Christmas?

MagicIRL

The song was written in a different time.

Just like early Warner Bros. cartoons that depict racism, history should never be re-written to fit into the current (however correct) way of thinking.

thelad95

Scumbag? ******? Slut? Which one OP?

PeterParker957

Omackeral wrote: »

Saw this ongoing on another thread and was wondering if people are as bothered by it as one poster in particular was.

Is it political correctness? Is it right to beep it out or change it? Should I even have censored the thread title?

I believe not.

I have no problem with it, no one I know has a problem with it and the friends I have who apparently "should" have a problem with it said "get over your f**king self, it's only a word".

Ballstein

Ronan Keating singing they song is far more offensive than any word will ever be.

PeterParker957

Ballstein wrote: »

Ronan Keating singing they song is far more offensive than any word will ever be.

Done.

TheQuietFella

Ballstein wrote: »

Ronan Keating singing they song is far more offensive than any word will ever be.

Brilliant!!!!!

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Not before a judgement has been reached at the International Court of Justice anyway.

Ronan Keating ‘Fairytale Of New York’ Trial Begins At The Hague

whisky_galore

Good song but waaaay overplayed.

faceman

The word is also used throughout the second verse of Dire Straits song “Money for Nothing” and System of a Down song “Hollywood Boulevard”.

I don’t agree with censorship unless the content is inciting hatred or devoid of artistic merit.

DavyD_83

I'm a firm believer that no songs should be censored.
Play them in full or not at all.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

rtron

Next ye'll want Cypress hill to take out the ****** word in all they're songs.

wakka12

thelad95 wrote: »

Scumbag? ******? Slut? Which one OP?

They say fagg!t in the song I think thats what he's talking

scumbag you maggot you're a cheap lousy fagg!t

Im gay and I don't think it should be changed, its the ONLY decent christmas song lets leave it alone

Your Face

The original classic song will far outlast the current regrettable fashion of PC false outrage.

me_irl

Bundle of sticks?

whisky_galore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbDKNHMDrEU

Wheeliebin30

But conor McGregor used it and has now been labelled homophobic????

TheQuietFella

wakka12 wrote: »

They say fagg!t in the song I think thats what he's talking

scumbag you maggot you're a cheap lousy fagg!t

Im gay and I don't think it should be changed, its the ONLY decent christmas song lets leave it alone

Completely agree! Should 'smack my bi*ch up' be censored also?

What about 'White Christmas' Should that get the elbow also in case we

offend all our new brothers and sisters from sunnier climes!

PeterParker957

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But conor McGregor used it and has now been labelled homophobic????

Context. He meant it in the sense that someone was acting weak.

Plus he's a bo***x and so gets zero leeway!

PeterParker957

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Completely agree! Should 'smack my bi*ch up' be censored also?

What about 'White Christmas' Should that get the elbow also in case we

offend all our new brothers and sisters from sunnier climes!

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/13/ucl-apologises-asking-students-dreaming-white-campus-7157665/

We're getting close. Lunacy!!!!

Omackeral

Just noticed the word is literally bleeped out in the thread title!

TheQuietFella

PeterParker957 wrote: »

We're getting close. Lunacy!!!!

Yeah, it's going that way isn't it!

There's a billboard on the quays in Dublin advertising 'Smirnoff Vodka' featuring three transgender men with the caption 'Labels are meant for bottles' which I think is very apt and everyone should remember that!

andekwarhola

Is it actually bleeped out anymore? Every time I hear it on the radio, it's unexpurgated?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Completely agree! Should 'smack my bi*ch up' be censored also?

What about 'White Christmas' Should that get the elbow also in case we

offend all our new brothers and sisters from sunnier climes!

White Christmas could also encourage coke heads to relapse into addiction.

Rory28

PeterParker957 wrote: »

We're getting close. Lunacy!!!!

#blacksnowmatters

TheQuietFella

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

White Christmas could also encourage coke heads to relapse into addiction.

Another nail in the coffin for this Christmas classic!

Endaaaagh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp8_FzJO458

Turnipman

And, while we're all enjoying ourselves in the PC sandpit, what about Joseph Conrad's excellent novel written in 1896?

Should it be thrown out of President Michael D Higgins's library in the Aras - assuming that it's there!

PeterParker957

Rory28 wrote: »

#blacksnowmatters

#donteatyellowsnow

Omackeral

OnePostWonder wrote: »

I think they are referring to Fagg0t

I was. I typed it out in full in the title and didn't realise it would be censored. Guess that's interesting itself somewhat.

Mutant z

When will the world stop pandering to the permanently offended pc brigade, they will be calling for all rap music to be banned by this rate, its only a song get over it and get a life ffs, there's far more important things to be worrying about.

flutered

Omackeral wrote: »

Saw this ongoing on another thread and was wondering if people are as bothered by it as one poster in particular was.

Is it political correctness? Is it right to beep it out or change it? Should I even have censored the thread title?

do we want to go back to the time the last verse of seven drunken nights by the dubliners was unsafe for the public's ears, nanny state by a proverbial mile

OldGoat

me_irl wrote: »

Bundle of sticks?

Naa, cheap cuts of meat.

sbsquarepants

DavyD_83 wrote: »

I'm a firm believer that no songs should be censored.
Play them in full or not at all.

I'm with you on this, I listen to all sorts and the odd time someone would say - should you be playing that around kids (some rapper or other usually - being played, not doing the commenting:))

Of course I should, it might be crude but that doesn't mean it's not smart. Only an idiot would dismiss a good argument because it's said in a crude manner, or with a common accent.

Of course if your asked should you be playing ronan keating (around kids or otherwise), the answer is of course no, you should then apologise profusely whilst having yourself flogged.

cloudatlas

MagicIRL wrote: »

The song was written in a different time.

Just like early Warner Bros. cartoons that depict racism, history should never be re-written to fit into the current (however correct) way of thinking.

The point is that he is playing a character and imagining a role of a couple whose fortunes have been tied to addiction, it's not Shane speaking it's a story.

source

BBC tried it in 2007 and everyone went mental, and BBC quickly backtracked.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/bbc-backs-down-on-plan-to-censor-fairytale-of-new-york-765902.html

hatrickpatrick

As far as I'm concerned, nothing should ever be censored. So no.

PeterParker957

From Kirsty's own mother:

Jean MacColl, whose daughter was killed in a speedboat accident in Mexico seven years ago, told BBC Radio 5 Live's Breakfast: "These are a couple of characters, not in the first flush of youth, I would have thought, and this is the way they spoke. They are what they are. These are characters and they speak like that."

RayM

It wouldn't bother me if it was. It's not for me to say that nobody should be offended by it. Anyway, songs are bleeped or changed on the radio all the time and nobody bats an eyelid. Seems weird that people get their knickers in a knot about that particular word being censored.

dan1895

Once this has been resolved we can start on getting the N word out of Dylan's "The Hurricane"

end of the road

it should be left. i don't believe in the censoring of lyrics. songs were written with the lyrics they were written with and should be played as such. if people are offended by the lyrics, that's fine, that's their opinion, but the songs should be left as is

Turtyturd

cloudatlas wrote: »

The point is that he is playing a character and imagining a role of a couple whose fortunes have been tied to addiction, it's not Shane speaking it's a story.

This is it exactly. Do you go through all the characters in literature who use words that are no longer considered acceptable?

I also think that despite its origins, for kids who grew up in the late 80’s/early 90’s it’s used in a different context. To paraphrase Louis CK if you were getting a blowjob off a bloke and he stopped in the middle of it to complain about something you’d tell him to stop being a fagg0t and get back to sucking your dick.

Hoboo

A word of the times. Fondly used by grandmothers (including mine) when speaking of female grandchilder when messing or being clever. 'She's a little ****** that one'. Not meant as a homosexual slur whatsoever. Words have multiple meanings, cock, pussy, straight, queer etc etc. The world needs to be bleached of all this BS.


*Cant believe the 'F" word is not permitted. Absolute joke!

RocketRaccoon

https://m.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057803864

Well that happened quicker than I thought it would. I am fed up of all these PC idiots trying to have a say in absolutely everything.

suicide_circus

If someone can come up with a better word to rhyme with maggot I'd like to hear it.

Rory28

suicide_circus wrote: »

If someone can come up with a better word to rhyme with maggot I'd like to hear it.

ya cheap lousy baggot street?

hatrickpatrick

Turnipman wrote: »

And, while we're all enjoying ourselves in the PC sandpit, what about Joseph Conrad's excellent novel written in 1896?

Should it be thrown out of President Michael D Higgins's library in the Aras - assuming that it's there!

No, it should just be put up on a high shelf where there's no risk of him stumbling upon it :pac:

BPKS

On the original question, I think its a matter of time before it will happen.

Especially if the campaign to re-write Sleeping Beauty because the Princess didnt consent to being kissed is successful.

We are on a slippery PC slope.