Ciara O Doherty <3's AliExpress

Kuva

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idunno78

http://www.shemazing.net/ciara-odoherty-just-launched-her-own-accessories-brand-taylor-rose/

She forgot to get them to change this article! Said she wanted to bring it to life herself because she could find nothing on line suitable!

retro:electro

Bahahahahaha

idunno78

Her launch video says the exact same!

SpillingTheTea

Most of her stock that was outed on the instagram is now gone from her store. Hmm

retro:electro

SpillingTheTea

She’ll get this retracted tomorrow hahaha

retro:electro

SpillingTheTea wrote: »

She’ll get this retracted tomorrow hahaha

Come on Cizzy do your worst!

SpillingTheTea

anna080 wrote: »

SpillingTheTea wrote: »

She’ll get this retracted tomorrow hahaha

Come on Cizzy do your worst!

Pmsl

Kind of a random one, but I never knew Aliexpress stocked such nice hair accessories (!)

I was doing some “research” to check which items may have beared a slight similarity to T&R (read: identical) and I went completely down the online shopping rabbit hole. Added a load of stuff to my cart... prices are very reasonable too :pac:

retro:electro

I know! It's great. Some pieces are lovely. All you need to do now is buy a rake of them and sell them for times the price under a makey uppy name and you're sorted. \o/

anna080

anna080 wrote: »

I know! It's great. Some pieces are lovely. All you need to do now is buy a rake of them and sell them for times the price under a makey uppy name and you're sorted. \o/

:pac: :P

gossipgirl10

Hasn't she been working on some TV program with TG4 where she goes around and meets with Irish designers? The irony of it all....

As a stylist and someone with regular slots on TV she could have used her platform to promote Irish design to her followers but instead she finds cheap Chinese dupes of handbags and lets her followers know where to buy them at a knock down price but then finds some accessories from China and tries to charge her followers extortionate prices for them. As SpillingTheTea said before she outed herself really by playing both sides of the aliexpress game...

Even her website and video where she said she searched high and low but couldn't find anything suitable is really knocking Irish design and it's disappointing that other people like Bairbre Power etc were so quick to jump on the Taylor and Rose bandwagon and give her air time and features in magazines without first doing their homework on whether or not this was genuinely an Irish brand

MuffinTop86

A fellow boardsie (I’m not the sleuth) found this. I’ll copy and paste because I don’t know what a cache is....

anyway my point is i found what i think is an explanation that she wrote and never actually posted
its not on her site you can only see it through the cache

Being the internet sleuth that I am, I came across an explanation on her site that was either never published or has since been deleted. Luckily, you can still find it if you look hard enough

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ciaraodoherty.com/220917-2/&ved=0ahUKEwjDgM_Ej_7XAhWJPhQKHcI9Ax4QFggyMAI&usg=AOvVaw1o71sAm-qehqv35CJQGakk/

Thoughts? It's quite a novel, but I don't agree with her points. Has anyone seen her mention this anywhere or have I found a draft post? It doesn't even have a title and the date is from back in September.

gossipgirl10

MuffinTop86 wrote: »

A fellow boardsie (I’m not the sleuth) found this. I’ll copy and paste because I don’t know what a cache is....

anyway my point is i found what i think is an explanation that she wrote and never actually posted
its not on her site you can only see it through the cache

Being the internet sleuth that I am, I came across an explanation on her site that was either never published or has since been deleted. Luckily, you can still find it if you look hard enough

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ciaraodoherty.com/220917-2/&ved=0ahUKEwjDgM_Ej_7XAhWJPhQKHcI9Ax4QFggyMAI&usg=AOvVaw1o71sAm-qehqv35CJQGakk/

Thoughts? It's quite a novel, but I don't agree with her points. Has anyone seen her mention this anywhere or have I found a draft post? It doesn't even have a title and the date is from back in September.

Very interesting definitely didn't see that posted or shared anywhere at the time I'd say she was going to publish and then was advised not to.

I still don't believe that she made sure people knew this was a brand sourced from suppliers worldwide at her launch etc I don't think it's a coincidence that so many bloggers and journalists all came away taking up the wrong end of the stick? And of course she would have been closely monitoring all press after her launch to see what people were saying about Taylor and Rose so why didn't she ask them to correct the articles at that point... because it was in her interest to let people believe this was a collection she designed and not bought from aliexpress.

Anyway regardless of what happens hopefully this will open some people's eye to understand what they are buying before they do and not just rush in because an influencer is selling it.

Also all her points about the additional costs involved in running a business, maybe she should have had that in mind when she wanted a special headpiece and couldn't find anything suitable to wear at a certain price point - actual designers have all the same business costs as you do (and more considering they buy their raw materials) and they also need to dedicate many hours actually making each item too so instead of looking for a cheap alternative why not use your profile to promote Irish designers and give your followers an appreciation for the work involved.

Imagine buying a crown for your wedding and wanting to have it after as a keepsake and it tarnishes and looks terrible not long after... people need to move away from all this fast fashion mass produced stuff and appreciate the quality of handmade designs they will last for years

fima

MuffinTop86 wrote: »

Thoughts? It's quite a novel, but I don't agree with her points. Has anyone seen her mention this anywhere or have I found a draft post? It doesn't even have a title and the date is from back in September.

That’s very interesting , I wonder why she never published it ? I think she damaged her brand further with her silence and cease and desist letters.

gossipgirl10

fima wrote: »

That’s very interesting , I wonder why she never published it ? I think she damaged her brand further with her silence and cease and desist letters.

Yep agree totally if she came out at the time and tried to explain herself it would have all blown over by now but the fact she said nothing just fueled the fire and made it seem even worse when it came out

wendydoll

That would have been around the time the insta scammer page was very active. She never published it. It would have been spotted. She's as deceitful. She did change the prices, her website was down at one stage when it all came out and the prices were down when it went live again, Lie number 1. Importation tax, you can see how much she ordered on ali express, she ordered 2/3 piece from the sellers so no import tax there (ali express say the packages are below €30 so no taxes are charged, I know because I ordered plenty over that amount and not once paid tax or duties)| Lie number 2. She has staffing costs but then goes on to say she does it all on her own, so there's no staffing costs but her own income and the once charges like use of models.

And finally why did she wait until the article was removed so she could threaten cease and desist ordered. Ciara love, you were caught out ripping people off, face the music. People would respect you more if you just came out with the truth

idunno78

I don’t think it’s the €5-€18 difference people care about that’s a reasonable price markup! its the €5-€150 makeup people got so mad about! the making out she designed it herself! Because she did make it out that way!!! Thats was got people angry!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I have personally taken the screenshots of prices from her website which have time stamps, so she's not being truthful

SusieBlue

She has missed the point completely.
I'm pretty sure the SoSue lashes are AliExpress repackaged ones. However, I really like them, find them to be good quality, so will happily pay €6 for them in Penneys rather than pay .50c or whatever the cost price is and wait 6 weeks for them to come from China. Now I do find other products of Sue's to be overpriced but I'm just using the lashes as an example.
There is a fair way of bringing fair supply to consumers without completely ripping them off.

Lead

Glitz and pieces are at it too:

https://glitznpieces.com/product/queen-bee-bag/ €45

Alliexpress €11.98

Mugatuu

Lead wrote: »

Glitz and pieces are at it too:

https://glitznpieces.com/product/queen-bee-bag/ €45

Alliexpress €11.98

Slightly off topic but that bag is rotten :pac:

SpillingTheTea

See, she was caught rotten. I bet she was advised not to post that. But like many people have said here and throughout the whole exposé that we have personally seen the price change from one day to the next. Also, her whole thing of VAT meaning she needs to up the prices for her to make a small profit just makes me laugh.
Firstly, on Friday Newstalk Radio did a tiny segment on their breakfast show about excessive mark ups and they alluded to the Mail’s exposé about Ciara O’D and Jennifer Wrynne. It was very interesting saying normal markups are 2-3 times higher than the wholesale and NOT 11 times higher and that they could be in trouble for it.

Secondly, she won’t admit her wrongdoing a) because her PR person won’t allow her to, hence why you made a nice little cache discovery and b) the minute she does admit any wrongdoing, she’s opening herself up to trouble with the CCPC and she’ll have to give EVERYONE a refund.

eeguy

SpillingTheTea wrote: »

See, she was caught rotten. I bet she was advised not to post that. But like many people have said here and throughout the whole exposé that we have personally seen the price change from one day to the next. Also, her whole thing of VAT meaning she needs to up the prices for her to make a small profit just makes me laugh.
Firstly, on Friday Newstalk Radio did a tiny segment on their breakfast show about excessive mark ups and they alluded to the Mail’s exposé about Ciara O’D and Jennifer Wrynne. It was very interesting saying normal markups are 2-3 times higher than the wholesale and NOT 11 times higher and that they could be in trouble for it.

Secondly, she won’t admit her wrongdoing a) because her PR person won’t allow her to, hence why you made a nice little cache discovery and b) the minute she does admit any wrongdoing, she’s opening herself up to trouble with the CCPC and she’ll have to give EVERYONE a refund.

Why could they be in trouble? You can charge whatever you want for something. There's no limit to the markup.

You'd be surprised how much markup is on everyday items you buy. This is just a rare instance where you can check the wholeseller price against retail.

SusieBlue

eeguy wrote: »

Why could they be in trouble? You can charge whatever you want for something. There's no limit to the markup.

You'd be surprised how much markup is on everyday items you buy. This is just a rare instance where you can check the wholeseller price against retail.

It isn't, its completely different, as a consumer you would not be happy if you paid €175 for a bespoke hand made hair piece from a high end boutique, only to find the exact same one on AliExpress for €3.

The point about mark up is relevant, but the fact of the matter is that I can't buy a Chanel bag direct from the wholeseller for a cheaper price because the option simply isn't available to me.
I have to buy from a shop/department store etc. I do not have the option to buy from the producer.
However, anyone in the world can order junk from AliExpress, its open to everyone. And to pretend you hand made these bespoke items to justify charging an astronomical margin is shady, greedy and very poor business practice.

SpillingTheTea

eeguy wrote: »

SpillingTheTea wrote: »

See, she was caught rotten. I bet she was advised not to post that. But like many people have said here and throughout the whole exposé that we have personally seen the price change from one day to the next. Also, her whole thing of VAT meaning she needs to up the prices for her to make a small profit just makes me laugh.
Firstly, on Friday Newstalk Radio did a tiny segment on their breakfast show about excessive mark ups and they alluded to the Mail’s exposé about Ciara O’D and Jennifer Wrynne. It was very interesting saying normal markups are 2-3 times higher than the wholesale and NOT 11 times higher and that they could be in trouble for it.

Secondly, she won’t admit her wrongdoing a) because her PR person won’t allow her to, hence why you made a nice little cache discovery and b) the minute she does admit any wrongdoing, she’s opening herself up to trouble with the CCPC and she’ll have to give EVERYONE a refund.

Why could they be in trouble? You can charge whatever you want for something. There's no limit to the markup.

You'd be surprised how much markup is on everyday items you buy. This is just a rare instance where you can check the wholeseller price against retail.

Well under the Sales of Goods and Services Act 1980, goods need to be as described and they need to show origin of the product ie. China and they are potentially breaking the law if they don’t.

LizT

I have used the term “achieving a bespoke hair look” in my brand wording in the past, which relates to hair styling, and specifically: using my hair accessories to achieve a unique hair look. I apologise sincerely if anyone feels mislead by that term, and I aim to be more careful with the words I use when talking about the concept of hair styling with accessories in the future.

She knows full well that people would assume she had designed or made them herself. Maybe she never explicitly stated it and "incorrect journalism" is responsible for people referring to the pieces as handmade. It would have taken her all of two minutes to fire off an email to the journalist in question and ask them to put a correction in the article.

One example was made of a wholesale item costing €5 and being sold for €18. If we sell an item for €18 that cost €5, our profit is not €13. The costs of running a business are many and varied, there is VAT (23%), importation tax (12%), packaging, postage, staff, customer service, photo shoots, marketing etc, and these have to be taken into the price of the product.

No mention of the stuff that was marked up to 11 times its price? Or how she could afford to drastically reduce the prices and still (presumably) make a profit with all of her massive overheads?

SpillingTheTea

Also and what I mean by as described, she purports that her items are luxury. It’s not as described. It’s not luxury as you can obtain the same item easily and for 11-13 times cheaper than she’s selling it for.

She’s creating an air of luxury with her pricing. Most people don’t have 145 Euro to spare (as it’s a luxury ) whereas most people may have a spare 7euro lying around. It’s deceitful and misleading.

SusieBlue

Lucky for us ladies to have someone who knows nothing about blogging or the issue at hand come in and mansplain the whole thing to us, we obviously know nothing about how business works and needed to be educated on the matter. Lucky us :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: