Penelty points

magicbastarder

Lipa213 wrote: »

there is less acidents in poland than in ireland

road fatalities per 100,000 population in poland: 10.3.
ireland: 4.1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

Lipa213

There is all ways a way around it irish law have loopholes every where

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magicbastarder wrote: »

disagree. the penalty points/insurance costs seems to be having a much better deterrent effect than the idea of having to do a course...

I don't believe it was ever tested here, so it's impossible to say which is a better deterrent. Points and FPNs aren't exactly fantastic.

Lipa213

In my opinion penalty points dont deside are you good or bad driver they are just points you earn due to mistake you have made and ppl always will make mistakes

Sleeper12

Jewel Uptight Utensil wrote:

Well in Ireland, if you are caught doing 65 in a 60 zone, your a murdering baxtard and therefore get hit with points and an insurance hike (which is already extortionate). In other, more logical countries, points are reserved for more serious offenses and smaller FPNs are handed out for minor violations.

I drive close to 30,000 kilometers per year. I'm driving 33 years now no penalty points, no claims ever. Never clamped & no parking ticket in 25 years. I have cheap insurance. It's not that hard to drive like this. Yet we have people like the op not knowing the rules of the road or refusing to abide by them and putting my life in danger. Spending is the biggest factor in our road deaths in Ireland. I wouldn't even mind the points op got if it looked like they were learning their lesson but they think it's harmless. Is there a loophole? Jaus wept. It's not harmless. Drivers like that don't just put their lives in danger, they put mine too.

beechwood55

Lipa213 wrote: »

In my opinion penalty points dont deside are you good or bad driver they are just points you earn due to mistake you have made and ppl always will make mistakes

Let's hope that you don't make a mistake that results in the death of another user of the road who is unfortunate enough to encounter you speeding.
If you killed yourself would your family consider that a mistake??

Sleeper12

Lipa213 wrote:

In my opinion penalty points dont deside are you good or bad driver they are just points you earn due to mistake you have made and ppl always will make mistakes

Getting penalty points shows that you are a bad driver. That's why your insurance has gone up. You get the points so that your insurance knows that you are a dangerous driver and they can charge extra for the extra risk of your driving style.

august12

Sleeper12 wrote:

I drive close to 30,000 kilometers per year. I'm driving 33 years now no penalty points, no claims ever. Never clamped & no parking ticket in 25 years. I have cheap insurance. It's not that hard to drive like this. Yet we have people like the op not knowing the rules of the road or refusing to abide by them and putting my life in danger. Spending is the biggest factor in our road deaths in Ireland. I wouldn't even mind the points op got if it looked like they were learning their lesson but they think it's harmless. Is there a loophole? Jaus wept. It's not harmless. Drivers like that don't just put their lives in danger, they put mine too.

And I could replicate the above, drive over 30,000km annually, no penalty points received, never clamped, one parking ticket about 30 years ago, one claim but I still have a certain element of sympathy for the op, it is very easy to get penalty points coming from 100 km zone right down to 50km zone, just a few km over and one has 3 penalty points and I wouldn't classify someone caught for that as a dangerous driver and putting your life at risk.

Lipa213

We have normal ppl here and ppl that just drive 50 km/h on motorway hahaha such bull**** i asked is there a way around somthing and yet ye come up with 1000 solutions and reasons why im bad driver i never had accident and never will when ever i can i will still speed i like to speed when ever is safe to do so end of story

Losty Dublin

Lipa213 wrote: »

I know you can't exchange lerner permit in other countries im asking if i had full irish licneces and exchange them for polish or uk would the points remain on the polish or uk licneces

You can only exchange driving licences if you are living in that country long term. Before you do that, you might want to address the small matter of actually passing a driving test and obtaining a full licence to exchange.

magicbastarder

Jewel Uptight Utensil wrote: »

I don't believe it was ever tested here, so it's impossible to say which is a better deterrent. Points and FPNs aren't exactly fantastic.

a driving course? the OP says they already did the 12 mandatory driving lessons. what's a course going to do that will lead to a blinding revelation, except give them an excuse to drop a point?

Lipa213

Losty Dublin wrote: »

You can only exchange driving licences if you are living in that country long term. Before you do that, you might want to address the small matter of actually passing a driving test and obtaining a full licence to exchange.

But will the points remain on the exchange licences if i come back to ireland with them ?

Sleeper12

august12 wrote:

And I could replicate the above, drive over 30,000km annually, no penalty points received, never clamped, one parking ticket about 30 years ago, one claim but I still have a certain element of sympathy for the op, it is very easy to get penalty points coming from 100 km zone right down to 50km zone, just a few km over and one has 3 penalty points and I wouldn't classify someone caught for that as a dangerous driver and putting your life at risk.

I already said I could forgive the penalty points if it looked like they had learned their lesson. Op doesn't think that there is anything wrong with speeding and I have an issue with that.
I'm still skeptical about this whole thread. I'm thinking a possible fake /duplicate account and a wind-up

Lipa213

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I already said I could forgive the penalty points if it looked like they had learned their lesson. Op doesn't think that there is anything wrong with speeding and I have an issue with that.
I'm still skeptical about this whole thread. I'm thinking a possible fake /duplicate account and a wind-up

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

Sleeper12

Lipa213 wrote:

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

Just joined today. First post wanting to scam the system. Cocky replys. No problem understanding us but broken English replies.

Nah I'm sure I'm wrong

Mint Sauce

Lipa213 wrote: »

We have normal ppl here and ppl that just drive 50 km/h on motorway hahaha such bull**** i asked is there a way around somthing and yet ye come up with 1000 solutions and reasons why im bad driver i never had accident and never will when ever i can i will still speed i like to speed when ever is safe to do so end of story

Lipa213 wrote: »

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

Other than this account maybe. You are looking to get rid of the points you have for speeding, yet boast about the fact that you speed and will continue to do so.

Wishbone Ash

Jewel Uptight Utensil wrote: »

I don't believe it was ever tested here, so it's impossible to say which is a better deterrent. Points and FPNs aren't exactly fantastic.

Leaving aside a course, the penalty points are much more effective for the more affluent motorists. Previously they just paid fine after fine and continued speeding with their two fingers up to the Gardai and the system.

Lipa213

My engrish ish grood

Lipa213

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Leaving aside a course, the penalty points are much more effective for the more affluent motorists. Previously they just paid fine after fine and continued speeding with their two fingers up to the Gardai and the system.

Good point if there is way around it to not to get more point's id love to hear it

tedpan

Lipa213 wrote:

But will the points remain on the exchange licences if i come back to ireland with them ?

Lipa213 wrote:

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

New account, could hardly type at the beginning of the thread, now there's punctuation.

Guess who's back?!?

me_irl

tedpan wrote: »

New account, could hardly type at the beginning of the thread, now there's punctuation.

Guess who's back?!?

Hook... line... and sinker... damn it!

Lipa213

tedpan wrote: »

New account, could hardly type at the beginning of the thread, now there's punctuation.

Guess who's back?!?

What the actual fuk your saying there ? my english is not perfect so your just trying to be resist

phildin

You can only use an EU license for a certain amount of time (I think 1 year) before you have to exchange it for an Irish one. At that point, it would then likely be noticed that you used to have a Irish learner permit and those points would transfer. I believe it's also illegal to hold two driving licenses simultaneously so that would not be an option. You would also have a problem with your insurance; if they ask have about your points and you lie then your policy will be invalid and now you're driving without insurance. You could really screw yourself on this so don't try it, it could take years to undo the mess it would create. Concentrate on the cost part rather than the points.

Lipa213

phildin wrote: »

You can only use an EU license for a certain amount of time (I think 1 year) before you have to exchange it for an Irish one. At that point, it would then likely be noticed that you used to have a Irish learner permit and those points would transfer. I believe it's also illegal to hold two driving licenses simultaneously so that would not be an option. You would also have a problem with your insurance; if they ask have about your points and you lie then your policy will be invalid and now you're driving without insurance. You could really screw yourself on this so don't try it, it could take years to undo the mess it would create. Concentrate on the cost part rather than the points.

Ok sound for the help

tedpan

Lipa213 wrote:

What the actual fuk your saying there ? my english is not perfect so your just trying to be resist

Well done

Esel

Ibtl

GM228

sdanseo wrote: »

Serious answer - no. Once you have them they stay.

If you pass your test your limit goes to 12, in the meantime getting it down to 4 won't help much as a lot of offences are 3 points now which would still put you off the road.

If you pass your test your limit is still 7 points, it goes to 12 after holding a full licence for 2 years.

GM228

phildin wrote: »

You can only use an EU license for a certain amount of time (I think 1 year) before you have to exchange it for an Irish one. At that point, it would then likely be noticed that you used to have a Irish learner permit and those points would transfer. I believe it's also illegal to hold two driving licenses simultaneously so that would not be an option. You would also have a problem with your insurance; if they ask have about your points and you lie then your policy will be invalid and now you're driving without insurance. You could really screw yourself on this so don't try it, it could take years to undo the mess it would create. Concentrate on the cost part rather than the points.

You can use an EU licence for the lenght of it's validity here, there is no 1 year limit in such a case.

Night Falls

Lipa213 wrote: »

i can drive 150 km in town and be more safer than some of drivers here thats my own opinion

Yeah, I don't think you'll have to worry about the cost of car insurance for too long if that's your genuine opinion.

Hilly Bill

Lipa213 wrote: »

I think our conversation is making no sense and wont help me any way so i just wont reply to it becaouse i didnt ask how bad driver i am i asked is ther a chance to reduce the penelty points and if i had freign licenc would the points remain on my acount in ireland and i didnt got a resneble answear to that so i just wont go in to arguments here.

Just apply for an Irish driving licence from scratch. If that's what you have done already then the points stay with you for 3 years and you have to just accept it.
I don't think your points carry over from a foreign license.