Penelty points

Lipa213

Hi i have 5 penalty points on my lerner permit and im just wondering is ther a chance to reduce them by 1 point is there a crouse i can do or any thing at all maybe if i change my licences fo foreign and then insure the car will that work ? that would realy help me with my insurance thanks for the anwswers

magicbastarder

Lipa213 wrote: »

is there a crouse i can do

yes, they're called 'driving classes'.

Lipa213

Yes i have done 12 lessons but my question is , is there a course i can do to reduce the penelty points from 5 to say 4 that would realy help me thnks for your answear

Wishbone Ash

Lipa213 wrote: »

..t is there a crouse i can do or any thing at all...

Obey the road traffic regulations and you won't have any further penalty points.

Lipa213 wrote:

... maybe if i change my licences fo foreign...

AFAIK you can't exchange a Learner Permit for one from another country.

sdanseo

Serious answer - no. Once you have them they stay.

If you pass your test your limit goes to 12, in the meantime getting it down to 4 won't help much as a lot of offences are 3 points now which would still put you off the road.

Lipa213

Ok thanks becaouse in poland there is a driving course that you do for a day and you can reduce up to 6 penelty points , ok so if i pass my test and i would exchange the licences in poland and i would have polish licences and came to ireland with them will the 5 penelty points be valid in ireland >?

Lipa213

Thanks for your answers any way, i just brake speed limit 2 times and i know i did wrong but like my insurance went from 3500 to 4500 i cant afford to pay that much money thats why i want to do somthing to reduce this

me_irl

Lipa213 wrote: »

Ok thanks becaouse in poland there is a driving course that you do for a day and you can reduce up to 6 penelty points , ok so if i pass my test and i would exchange the licences in poland and i would have polish licences and came to ireland with them will the 5 penelty points be valid in ireland >?

To be honest, and I'm going to sound cheeky here, but I wouldn't want you on Irish roads if you have those points with a Learner Permit.

Please adhere to the Irish rules of the road as that's where you're applying for your license and driving.

Lipa213

Ok im just asking form help not your opinion on should i drive or not i drive for 2,5 years and never had accident just 2 times cought speeding

Rubberchikken

Reduce your points by driving lawfully.
If you've managed 5 points on a learners permit would that not stop and make you think.
You maybe a 'good' driver but that doesn't mean an accident won't happen.

me_irl

Lipa213 wrote: »

Ok im just asking form help not your opinion on should i drive or not i drive for 2,5 years and never had accident just 2 times cought speeding

What you're asking is ridiculous.

Two and a half years on a Learner Permit?

OK.. curiosity is getting the better of me... do you have a licensed driver with you when you're driving?

Lipa213

I think our conversation is making no sense and wont help me any way so i just wont reply to it becaouse i didnt ask how bad driver i am i asked is ther a chance to reduce the penelty points and if i had freign licenc would the points remain on my acount in ireland and i didnt got a resneble answear to that so i just wont go in to arguments here.

august12

Lipa213 wrote:

Ok im just asking form help not your opinion on should i drive or not i drive for 2,5 years and never had accident just 2 times cought speeding

You have to be so careful on the road as a learner driver as you are allowed less penalty points than a full license holder. yes, your insurance premium will rocket with those points, and no, there is no course to reduce those points, they stay on your licence for a rolling three year period, the only advice I can give is stay within the speed limit as another three points will see you off the road, and I know, sometimes this can be quite difficult to do but the alternative is even more difficult i.e. not being able to drive.

me_irl

Lipa213 wrote: »

I think our conversation is making no sense and wont help me any way so i just wont reply to it becaouse i didnt ask how bad driver i am i asked is ther a chance to reduce the penelty points and if i had freign licenc would the points remain on my acount in ireland and i didnt got a resneble answear to that so i just wont go in to arguments here.

You're looking for a loophole.

It doesn't exist.

You're also deflecting my question.

The only advice I can give you is to slow down and take more driving lessons to pass the test and adhere to the rules of the road so you're safe to yourself and other drivers.

Lipa213

August12 Thank you for your answer and i know that im more cearful now then i was and since 8 months i have no problems what's so ever

jimmycrackcorm

Lipa213 wrote:

I think our conversation is making no sense and wont help me any way so i just wont reply to it becaouse i didnt ask how bad driver i am i asked is ther a chance to reduce the penelty points and if i had freign licenc would the points remain on my acount in ireland and i didnt got a resneble answear to that so i just wont go in to arguments here.

The answer is no. The only likely opportunity is to get an address in N. I. And apply for a new learner permit there.

Lipa213

Me_IRL in irish law there is soo many loopholes that you dont belive they exist so finding a loophole in penelty points law is just mater of week's

august12

Just some additional info, if you got your first learner permit after August 2014, max penalty points you can have are 7, you may need to double check this on rsa site or citizens information site, I'm not sure about using your foreign license here, the problem with this is, when insuring your car here, you have to declare penalty points regardless of what license you have.

Lipa213

So if i went to england i would still have 5 penelty points there is well ?

endacl

Lipa213 wrote: »

I think our conversation is making no sense and wont help me any way so i just wont reply to it becaouse i didnt ask how bad driver i am i asked is ther a chance to reduce the penelty points and if i had freign licenc would the points remain on my acount in ireland and i didnt got a resneble answear to that so i just wont go in to arguments here.

My eyes are bleeding.

jjpep

Maybe driving isn't for you?

Instead of spending all this money every year on insurance (and all the other costs of motoring) just use taxis or public transport. Likely to cost the same.

Sleeper12

I'm always suspicious of new accounts like this starting threads and asking questions like this

Op there is no way to get rid of the penalty points. You can go to any country in the world. Go to the moon and back but you'll still have the points.
You have them because you deserve them. If I am to believe that this thread is genuine then you are saying that you were caught breaking the law twice. Fined twice. Got points twice. Your insurance is now really high because of all this and you say " but I was only caught speeding twice". Fined, penalty points and high insurance and you can't see the danger of you speeding? I don't feel safe with someone with that attitude on the road.

phildin

Personally, I think the idea of doing a course in order to reduce your points is a good one but no such option exists in Ireland.

If you were to look at some way of getting a license in another EU country and then exchanging it for an Irish license then it could be that you might slip by unnoticed as we don't have EU wide sharing of this data. However, you would be breaking the law and your insurance would likely be void as you would be failing to disclose your points.

Rather than look at ways to reduce your points (you can't legally), try to find some way to reduce your premium. Is there any option to get a reduction if you accept some limitations (no commuting for example?). I've never seen cheap insurance from Aviva but possibly their ignition course could help you in terms of premium? Also, try talking to brokers, they might know of some specialist insurers that can help.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

endacl wrote: »

My eyes are bleeding.

How's your Polish? A hell of a lot worse than the OP's English I would guess.

All the high and mighty's on here, it's sickening.

OP, there's no courses unfortunately. I think it would be a great thing to try out.

Lipa213

Phildin thanks for your answear but what if i drive on uk or polish licences in ireland would that work ? will the points still be on the polish or uk licences ?

Losty Dublin

Lipa213 wrote: »

I think our conversation is making no sense and wont help me any way so i just wont reply to it becaouse i didnt ask how bad driver i am i asked is ther a chance to reduce the penelty points and if i had freign licenc would the points remain on my acount in ireland and i didnt got a resneble answear to that so i just wont go in to arguments here.

You can't exchange an Irish learners permit with another country's version of a learner permit, whatever it may be called. Also, an Irish learners permit has no legal standing outside of Ireland. Should you drive a car outside of Ireland with one, it is the same as driving with no licence. Similarly, a learners permit or provisional licence that has been issued from another country will not allow you to drive a car in Ireland.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm always suspicious of new accounts like this starting threads and asking questions like this

Op there is no way to get rid of the penalty points. You can go to any country in the world. Go to the moon and back but you'll still have the points.
You have them because you deserve them. If I am to believe that this thread is genuine then you are saying that you were caught breaking the law twice. Fined twice. Got points twice. Your insurance is now really high because of all this and you say " but I was only caught speeding twice". Fined, penalty points and high insurance and you can't see the danger of you speeding? I don't feel safe with someone with that attitude on the road.

Well in Ireland, if you are caught doing 65 in a 60 zone, your a murdering baxtard and therefore get hit with points and an insurance hike (which is already extortionate). In other, more logical countries, points are reserved for more serious offenses and smaller FPNs are handed out for minor violations.

But don't let that dismount you from your high horse

magicbastarder

Jewel Uptight Utensil wrote: »

OP, there's no courses unfortunately. I think it would be a great thing to try out.

disagree. the penalty points/insurance costs seems to be having a much better deterrent effect than the idea of having to do a course...

Lipa213

I know you can't exchange lerner permit in other countries im asking if i had full irish licneces and exchange them for polish or uk would the points remain on the polish or uk licneces

Lipa213

And the fact that ppl say that i dont want you on irish roads is just bul**** i have driven in polan and polish drivers are more in to speeding than irish drivers are and still there is less acidents in poland than in ireland and i can drive 150 km in town and be more safer than some of drivers here thats my own opinion

beechwood55

Lipa213 wrote: »

And the fact that ppl say that i dont want you on irish roads is just bul**** i have driven in polan and polish drivers are more in to speeding than irish drivers are and still there is less acidents in poland than in ireland and i can drive 150 km in town and be more safer than some of drivers here thats my own opinion

Wow...go you !

magicbastarder

Lipa213 wrote: »

there is less acidents in poland than in ireland

road fatalities per 100,000 population in poland: 10.3.
ireland: 4.1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

Lipa213

There is all ways a way around it irish law have loopholes every where

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

magicbastarder wrote: »

disagree. the penalty points/insurance costs seems to be having a much better deterrent effect than the idea of having to do a course...

I don't believe it was ever tested here, so it's impossible to say which is a better deterrent. Points and FPNs aren't exactly fantastic.

Lipa213

In my opinion penalty points dont deside are you good or bad driver they are just points you earn due to mistake you have made and ppl always will make mistakes

Sleeper12

Jewel Uptight Utensil wrote:

Well in Ireland, if you are caught doing 65 in a 60 zone, your a murdering baxtard and therefore get hit with points and an insurance hike (which is already extortionate). In other, more logical countries, points are reserved for more serious offenses and smaller FPNs are handed out for minor violations.

I drive close to 30,000 kilometers per year. I'm driving 33 years now no penalty points, no claims ever. Never clamped & no parking ticket in 25 years. I have cheap insurance. It's not that hard to drive like this. Yet we have people like the op not knowing the rules of the road or refusing to abide by them and putting my life in danger. Spending is the biggest factor in our road deaths in Ireland. I wouldn't even mind the points op got if it looked like they were learning their lesson but they think it's harmless. Is there a loophole? Jaus wept. It's not harmless. Drivers like that don't just put their lives in danger, they put mine too.

beechwood55

Lipa213 wrote: »

In my opinion penalty points dont deside are you good or bad driver they are just points you earn due to mistake you have made and ppl always will make mistakes

Let's hope that you don't make a mistake that results in the death of another user of the road who is unfortunate enough to encounter you speeding.
If you killed yourself would your family consider that a mistake??

Sleeper12

Lipa213 wrote:

In my opinion penalty points dont deside are you good or bad driver they are just points you earn due to mistake you have made and ppl always will make mistakes

Getting penalty points shows that you are a bad driver. That's why your insurance has gone up. You get the points so that your insurance knows that you are a dangerous driver and they can charge extra for the extra risk of your driving style.

august12

Sleeper12 wrote:

I drive close to 30,000 kilometers per year. I'm driving 33 years now no penalty points, no claims ever. Never clamped & no parking ticket in 25 years. I have cheap insurance. It's not that hard to drive like this. Yet we have people like the op not knowing the rules of the road or refusing to abide by them and putting my life in danger. Spending is the biggest factor in our road deaths in Ireland. I wouldn't even mind the points op got if it looked like they were learning their lesson but they think it's harmless. Is there a loophole? Jaus wept. It's not harmless. Drivers like that don't just put their lives in danger, they put mine too.

And I could replicate the above, drive over 30,000km annually, no penalty points received, never clamped, one parking ticket about 30 years ago, one claim but I still have a certain element of sympathy for the op, it is very easy to get penalty points coming from 100 km zone right down to 50km zone, just a few km over and one has 3 penalty points and I wouldn't classify someone caught for that as a dangerous driver and putting your life at risk.

Lipa213

We have normal ppl here and ppl that just drive 50 km/h on motorway hahaha such bull**** i asked is there a way around somthing and yet ye come up with 1000 solutions and reasons why im bad driver i never had accident and never will when ever i can i will still speed i like to speed when ever is safe to do so end of story

Losty Dublin

Lipa213 wrote: »

I know you can't exchange lerner permit in other countries im asking if i had full irish licneces and exchange them for polish or uk would the points remain on the polish or uk licneces

You can only exchange driving licences if you are living in that country long term. Before you do that, you might want to address the small matter of actually passing a driving test and obtaining a full licence to exchange.

magicbastarder

Jewel Uptight Utensil wrote: »

I don't believe it was ever tested here, so it's impossible to say which is a better deterrent. Points and FPNs aren't exactly fantastic.

a driving course? the OP says they already did the 12 mandatory driving lessons. what's a course going to do that will lead to a blinding revelation, except give them an excuse to drop a point?

Lipa213

Losty Dublin wrote: »

You can only exchange driving licences if you are living in that country long term. Before you do that, you might want to address the small matter of actually passing a driving test and obtaining a full licence to exchange.

But will the points remain on the exchange licences if i come back to ireland with them ?

Sleeper12

august12 wrote:

And I could replicate the above, drive over 30,000km annually, no penalty points received, never clamped, one parking ticket about 30 years ago, one claim but I still have a certain element of sympathy for the op, it is very easy to get penalty points coming from 100 km zone right down to 50km zone, just a few km over and one has 3 penalty points and I wouldn't classify someone caught for that as a dangerous driver and putting your life at risk.

I already said I could forgive the penalty points if it looked like they had learned their lesson. Op doesn't think that there is anything wrong with speeding and I have an issue with that.
I'm still skeptical about this whole thread. I'm thinking a possible fake /duplicate account and a wind-up

Lipa213

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I already said I could forgive the penalty points if it looked like they had learned their lesson. Op doesn't think that there is anything wrong with speeding and I have an issue with that.
I'm still skeptical about this whole thread. I'm thinking a possible fake /duplicate account and a wind-up

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

Sleeper12

Lipa213 wrote:

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

Just joined today. First post wanting to scam the system. Cocky replys. No problem understanding us but broken English replies.

Nah I'm sure I'm wrong

Mint Sauce

Lipa213 wrote: »

We have normal ppl here and ppl that just drive 50 km/h on motorway hahaha such bull**** i asked is there a way around somthing and yet ye come up with 1000 solutions and reasons why im bad driver i never had accident and never will when ever i can i will still speed i like to speed when ever is safe to do so end of story

Lipa213 wrote: »

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

Other than this account maybe. You are looking to get rid of the points you have for speeding, yet boast about the fact that you speed and will continue to do so.

Wishbone Ash

Jewel Uptight Utensil wrote: »

I don't believe it was ever tested here, so it's impossible to say which is a better deterrent. Points and FPNs aren't exactly fantastic.

Leaving aside a course, the penalty points are much more effective for the more affluent motorists. Previously they just paid fine after fine and continued speeding with their two fingers up to the Gardai and the system.

Lipa213

My engrish ish grood

Lipa213

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Leaving aside a course, the penalty points are much more effective for the more affluent motorists. Previously they just paid fine after fine and continued speeding with their two fingers up to the Gardai and the system.

Good point if there is way around it to not to get more point's id love to hear it

tedpan

Lipa213 wrote:

But will the points remain on the exchange licences if i come back to ireland with them ?

Lipa213 wrote:

What's fake ? im just asking for opinion and advice nothing is fake here

New account, could hardly type at the beginning of the thread, now there's punctuation.

Guess who's back?!?