Ibrahim Halawa radio interview.

gozunda

Billy8669 wrote: »

Lick my sack

You ball bag.

And the thread descends to this ... :rolleyes:

Billy86

gozunda wrote: »

And the thread descends to this ... :rolleyes:

Don't bother, it's you-know-who. They'll be re-regging new accounts all night if people keep giving them attention. As you can see below, they'll go to some lengths to get anyone to notice them. Best to just leave them to their own devices.

dreamliner

gozunda wrote: »

So all "citizens" of Ireland must obey sharia :eek:

Perhaps you would stop obfuscating and respond to the points actually made.

I need to ask a serious question, did you ever go to school? Did you study English and have to read articles and the like and then answer questions on them? Really you're not showing any evidence of having ever done that.

You proposed that my initial statement that all Muslims are bound by sharia law, and if they don't practice it they at least at heart believe it to be true was false. You then posted some link (the relevance of which is non-existant but we'll ignore that) and claimed that some muslims voted they wouldn't like it implemented in whatever nations, meaning for it to be proof that my initial statement was wrong.

I then found you something 'from the horses mouth' that directly stated the followers of Islam are bound by sharia law. What do you do? Go off on a completely different tangent leading us into another galaxy of discussion.

Now you want to stir up a load of nonsense that the link somehow says Irish citizens are bound by sharia? Why? Are all Irish people Muslims? What on earth are you talking about.


My God what sort of people live in this country.

gozunda

dreamliner wrote: »

I need to ask a serious question, did you ever go to school? Did you study English and have to read articles and the like and then answer questions on them? Really you're not showing any evidence of having ever done that.

You proposed that my initial statement that all Muslims are bound by sharia law, and if they don't practice it they at least at heart believe it to be true was false. You then posted some link (the relevance of which is non-existant but we'll ignore that) and claimed that some muslims voted they wouldn't like it implemented in whatever nations, meaning for it to be proof that my initial statement was wrong.

Remember this if you know nothing else: attack the post not the poster.

The link I posted was directly relevant to the claim you made. Don't like it? Tough.

dreamliner wrote: »

I then found you something 'from the horses mouth' that directly stated the followers of Islam are bound by sharia law. What do you do? Go off on a completely different tangent leading us into another galaxy of discussion.

You retreated to a one man band definition and again set yourself up and "the expert" (is that you horse?)

dreamliner wrote: »

Now you want to stir up a load of nonsense that the link somehow says Irish citizens are bound by sharia? Why? Are all Irish people Muslims? What on earth are you talking about.

Your quote clearly says that "citizens" must obey sharia law :eek:

My God what sort of people live in this country.

Ok you lost me there - which god are we talking about exactly?

Help!!!!

Billy86 wrote: »

Sorry but you've been so eager to paint it as extreme in your time on boards that you can't make that claim. Here is why, the first quote particularly:



When you put that much consistent effort over time into trying to paint Sharia law as extremist, to the point of literally saying over half of Muslims polled wanting Sharia = over half Muslims are radicalised, you don't get to expect being taken seriously or at face value when you try and claim the opposite to back up an argument over your claimed Muslims friends. Either they don't follow Sharia and you lied about that, or they do and by your own admission you're hanging around with extremists and radicals, or... they never existed.

It's your own hole that you dug yourself, but since people on the right love to bang on about accountability I'm sure you won't be at all hypocritical over that.

1.5 billion Muslims, yes around 50% are radical.
Again if you are here saying ALL Sharia law is extreme then I will admit I was wrong & my mates are extremists as well
If not them I dont understand how 1.5billion Muslims worldwide around half are radicalised & believe in an extreme form of Sharia EG: beheadings,throwing gays off roofs, stoning etc
Others believe in a less extreme form of Sharia, men/women separate, burkas etc. I dont agree with them on this & have told them so, are they extreme because of this?

dreamliner

gozunda wrote: »

Remember this if you know nothing else: attack the post not the poster.

The link I posted was directly relevant to the claim you made. Don't like it? Tough.



You retreated to a one man band definition and again set yourself up and "the expert" (is that you horse?)



Your quote clearly says that "citizens" must obey sharia law :eek:



Ok you lost me there - which god are we talking about exactly?

I couldn't care less about the link, but it had no relevance and was out of place. What is it about Azerbaijan that somehow defines what the rulings of Islam are?

And no, if you read it properly, it says "In addition, Muslim citizens must adhere to Islamic law - Shariah." ... my very first point you sought to disprove!

Billy86

dreamliner wrote: »

What is this even ?

Mods we seriously need some cleaning up on this thread.

Ignore it, it's a person who I reckon has mental health issues who feels the need to create 10-20 accounts at a night at random to try and say something "outrageous" in order to get attention. I've offered to get them in touch with mental health services and the hope they know offer is always there, but the best approach is to just leave alone and let the mods clear it up when they're around.

dreamliner

Spambotdick3 wrote: »

None of your business, now fcuk off back to Egypt you cnut.

Will we go see the pyramids will we? I'm not sure you're old enough though tbh.

Now shutdown mammies laptop and run off to bed before she finds what you're up to, there's a good boy.

Help!!!!

OK I'm out of here before the close down....enjoy

beefburrito

Help!!!! wrote: »

OK I'm out of here before the close down....enjoy

Dia duit

Asalam alikum ðŸ˜

God bless

Good luck

Im off aswell....too many ignorant lefties and snowflakes

gozunda

dreamliner wrote: »

I couldn't care less about the link, but it had no relevance and was out of place. What is it about Azerbaijan that somehow defines what the rulings of Islam are?

I suggest you reread that link in relation to the survey on sharia. It lists many Muslim countries not just Azerbaijan (more deflection btw on your part)

You very clearly made the statement that:

dreamliner wrote:

The fact that "Shariah law is what every muslim will aspire to follow"

I showed that this is not always the case ...

Here is the link again.

http://www.pewresearch...nd-around-the-world/

dreamliner wrote: »

And no, if you read it properly, it says "In addition, Muslim citizens must adhere to Islamic law - Shariah." ... my very first point you sought to disprove!

The piece you quoted states that "citizens" are expected to uphold the role of (Islamic?) Law. Hence my question.

http://www.islamicsupr...ing-islamic-law.html

"Islamic civilization, since the time of Prophet Muhammad (s) until now, is firmly founded on the concept of ‘rule of law.’ For that reason, the law is published and known, and citizens and courts are expected to uphold it. In addition, Muslim citizens must adhere to Islamic law - Shariah."

Look just drop the shovel - the hole is quite big enough already ...

Donnielighto

dreamliner wrote: »

If defensive is calling out your irrelevant nonsense then so be it.

Sharia law is the law of Islam. A Muslim believes it to be God's law and the bedrock of how this life should be lived according to the God who made us. If they don't believe this, then quite simply, they are not Muslim. Believing it is the law of God and believing it should be implemented in the western countries that its adherents live in are 2 separate things in case you have difficulties grasping that. I already told you that an aspect of sharia law is to respect the law of the land in which you live when it comes to issues where there may be contradictions.

Now what relevance does a vote in Azerbaijan have to do with this? You were not ignored because I have no answers, you were ignored because your post was so off the track it didn't deserve one.

What about non western countries?

end of the road

Donnielighto wrote: »

What about non western countries?

i'd imagine the same applies. respect the law of that country where it conflicts with sharia

Donnielighto

end of the road wrote: »

i'd imagine the same applies. respect the law of that country where it conflicts with sharia

Respectfully I was asking dreamliner who posted it, it seems an unnecessary addition.

end of the road

Donnielighto wrote: »

Respectfully I was asking dreamliner who posted it, it seems an unnecessary addition.

his post answered what you were looking for.

Donnielighto

end of the road wrote: »

his post answered what you were looking for.

Who's post?

Donnielighto

What is the timeline of IH before being detained btw, is there consensus on how the number of protests attended or if it was just one and what the content of them was.

A Little Pony

Donnielighto wrote: »

What is the timeline of IH before being detained btw, is there consensus on how the number of protests attended or if it was just one and what the content of them was.

A load of Islamists wanting to depose of the regime.

end of the road

Donnielighto wrote: »

What is the timeline of IH before being detained btw, is there consensus on how the number of protests attended or if it was just one and what the content of them was.

just the 1 protest. the protest was about the overthrowing of the government and subsiquent murdering of protesters that followed it.

AlekSmart

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

Yeah, you could tell he'd done his homework. Really caught the pair of them off guard.

At 1:34.28 Prendeville sums it up as,"A likeable lad,but appears to be out of his depth".

After listening to the interview,which I felt richochet'd all over the place,I really feel Ibrahim should be allowed to decide his own future path.

It appears to outside observers,that Ibrahim has been encouraged to believe that his new calling in life is to represent everybody who is "Banged up Abroad" even if,as he suggests himself,they are guilty.

Earlier in the interview,it is suggested that Ibrahim's Cairene troubles stem from him acting as an agent of his Father,a view which the interview itself,tends to confirm.

Since his return,Ibrahim has been at pains to outline his political naivety at the time,yet the known timeline of events show the siblings spending a significant period staffing a media desk,on behalf of the organisers of the protest,surely not a function allocated to anything but the most committed and knowledgeable ?

Personally,I see no point in seeking to pick holes in an already well picked account,the public views of which are,by now,well polarized.

I see the requirement being more of a focus on why it was felt necessary for his Sisters to,essentially seek to usurp the function of the Government and the Dept of Foreign Affairs in regard to Irish Foreign Policy.

In addition,I would ask if the Irish Government and it's Foreign Affairs Staff are due an apology,and an acceptance of the fact that they pulled out all of the stops for Ibrahim,eventually securing his release.

From this vantage point,and the references to Ibrahim's Coffee morning with Colm O Gorman,it seems that his 4 years of incarceration will be well utilized as a focal point for a managed career in Social Justice Campaigning.

We are a long way,in this performance, from the Fat Lady's aria

AlekSmart

Donnielighto wrote: »

What is the timeline of IH before being detained btw, is there consensus on how the number of protests attended or if it was just one and what the content of them was.

The timeline,or that of it which managed to be preserved in the aftermath of the arrests,points to a long established tradition of extended Family Holidays to Egypt,encouraged by Sheykh Halawa in order to maintain the childrens Egyptian ties and particularly their aptitude in the Arabic language.

There is a suggestion that Ibrahims Mother was living in Cairo,and at least one of Ibrahims sisters,had already relocated to Egypt in order to work.

It seems that,whilst ostensibly Irish as a family,Sheykh Halawa is keen to maintain a strong Egyptian ethos,which is no different from any immigrant grouping in any foreign country.

However,what makes the Halawa case different to others which have gone before it,is the role played by their belief structure ,and particularly the many radical interpretations of how it should be practiced and projected within a non-Islamic framework.

As an example,We know that Sheykh Halawa,in his role on the Fatwah Council,has quite definitively stated that he believes Homosexuality to be,in most cases,an illness,capable of treatment.

Such a view would appear to place,Ibrahim and his father,at significant varience with each other,a fact fleetingly but tantalisingly touched on by Mr Prendiville.

It could be said that we have reached a limit with the Halawa case,and it could also be quite possible that some elements of the family would perhaps,prefer to return to a less publicly viewed & discussed existence,something which every new media appearance by the children,now renders less & less possible.

gozunda

Donnielighto wrote: »

What is the timeline of IH before being detained btw, is there consensus on how the number of protests attended or if it was just one and what the content of them was.

It would appear he attended multiple protests over a number of weeks. This is supported by his own comments on video and elsewhere.

deco nate

Ahh sure I remember the statement that they just wanted him home. And him saying he just wanted time to himself. you know, just to get back to normal/didn't want to be in the limelight. So why the fcuk is he in the media?!
Think about it....

PeterParker957

deco nate wrote: »

Ahh sure I remember the statement that they just wanted him home. And him saying he just wanted time to himself. you know, just to get back to normal/didn't want to be in the limelight. So why the fcuk is he in the media?!
Think about it....

I believe it rhymes with dropaganda.

gozunda

end of the road wrote: »

just the 1 protest. the protest was about the overthrowing of the government and subsiquent murdering of protesters that followed it.

What an excellent effort in obfusication.

Familly attended multiple protests organised and led by the Muslin Brotherhood. The MB protests were in opposition to a populist uprising which had called for the overthrow of Morsi and which was subsequently achieved by the military. It is of note that Morsi was the political head of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and he used the Egyptian democratic process for the purpose of election but once elected he attempted to introduce islamist policies whilst in power. His downfall followed shortly after...

jimmycrackcorm

gozunda wrote:

It would appear he attended multiple protests over a number of weeks. This is supported by his own comments on video and elsewhere.

I listened to the interview and a lot of what he said made sense. He's being going over there anyway visiting family. But one year his friends got shot and that pushed him into activism and protests. I get it. It's the reason here that young people joined the IRA. Also the reason many were interned without trial.

gozunda

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I listened to the interview and a lot of what he said made sense. He's being going over there anyway visiting family. But one year his friends got shot and that pushed him into activism and protests. I get it. It's the reason here that young people joined the IRA. Also the reason many were interned without trial.

It may have made sense. However there is video and other available evidence that the siblings attended the protests over several weeks and were fairly well involved in what was going on. His "friends" (he didn't live in Egypt btw) were alledgedly shot at one of the protests he was attending. So a bit of chicken and egg type argument there on his behalf imo. Not quite truthful perhaps.

As far as I can work out the protests involved the arrest of many as the military tried to restore order. The creaking Egyptian legal system and the sheer numbers arranged for trial meant that there were considerable delays well beyond anything we would consider acceptable in the West - but then Egypt is not a western country in any shape or form.

jimmycrackcorm

My point is that what he was saying was very plausible. Having grown up in a border area, Im well aware how easy it is to become an activist.

It seems to me that people are taking that context and jumping straight to Sharia and Isis conclusions.

deco nate

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

My point is that what he was saying was very plausible. Having grown up in a border area, Im well aware how easy it is to become an activist.

It seems to me that people are taking that context and jumping straight to Sharia and Isis conclusions.

He was protesting over the majority of his time over there, fact. Yet he played down this in every interview he has done so far, you know. The interviews he said he wasn't going to do. He just wanted to go back to his old life. Yet here he is, still giving interviews......

deco nate

gozunda wrote: »

It may have made sense. However there is video and other available evidence that the siblings attended the protests over several weeks and were fairly well involved in what was going on. His "friends" (he didn't live in Egypt btw) were alledgedly shot at one of the protests he was attending. So a bit of chicken and egg type argument there on his behalf imo. Not quite truthful perhaps.

As far as I can work out the protests involved the arrest of many as the military tried to restore order. The creaking Egyptian legal system and the sheer numbers arranged for trial meant that there were considerable delays well beyond anything we would consider acceptable in the West - but then Egypt is not a western country in any shape or form.

It would help if he named his friends...