Ibrahim Halawa radio interview.

Jamiekelly

end of the road wrote: »

the fact the corrupt egyptian military junta acquitted him seems to suggest otherwise.
they were not a proscribed organisation in egypt before, during, and for a while after they were elected and removed from government and banned from running for re-election. so the fact they are a proscribed organisation in other countries doesn't really mean anything in relation to this case.

Your lack of knowledge on this is actually laughable. The military in any self respecting country is not supposed to be loyal to the government of the day but only to the constitution of the country. A point in which you clearly haven't grasped.

The Muslim Brotherhood has made it very clear that they want to install Sharia law to the countries where they are elected to govern. This is not a hidden agenda but their core political principle. They attempted to change the constitution from being generally secular to Islamic multiple times and were warned by the military that they will intervene if they attempt to do so without holding a referendum. Morsi tried, he failed and the military moved in. The new Egyptian constitution was passed by a referendum and has been enacted. If the military was so corrupt I highly doubt they would have allowed a referendum to take place to begin with.

To say the MB in other countries being banned hasn't anything to do with this case is the most laughable part. It's like saying ISIS followers in Libya haven't got anything to do with ISIS followers in Syria. It's the same organization regardless, they believe the same things, they advocate the same system of law and they achieve it in the same manner.

You seem to want it both ways when it suits you. Oh by the way feel free to google "Muslim brotherhood and ISIS" and you will see Exactly why people are very suspicious of Mr Halawa and his insane family. You don't travel across the continent to attend a rally for something you don't believe in (as he claims). He clearly believes in what they preach and he's more than happy to risk his freedom for it. And with the links between the MB and the likes of ISIS and Al-qaeda being already well known it shouldn't really come as a surprise why we should be cautious about letting terrorists sneak into governments through the political back door.

K.Flyer

end of the road wrote: »

okay, say that's true, so what? protesters were murdered in the streets for protesting the overthrow of their elected government. apparently some of his friends were shot at protests. are you surprised he got involved in protests?

so he has likely changed his mind on doing interviews. so what?

He was involved in the protests before his friends were shot.
Changing your mind or your story during interviews undermines credibility.

Ibrahim says in the Al-Fateh Mosque video that he went straight to the Rabaa protests on the 28th of June. His sisters and others have said that they were there every day for weeks. Morsi got kicked out on the 3rd July.
On 6th July two of the Halawa sisters post a picture of themselves holding a large supporters picture of Morsi.
On 27th July one of the sisters posted the she Envied the MB martyrs.
On 1st August came the speeches from the back of the trailer. In it Ibrahim states he came directly from Ireland to Rabaa one month ago.
On 9th August a video, with the Halawa Sisters, is posted online inviting people to take a tour of the Rabba camp.
On the 16th Aug the Halawa sisters, with Ibrahim, take part in the Day of Rage protest at Ramses Sq, as expected, it turned bloody and they ran, on the advise of their Father, into the Al-Fateh Mosque.

It would seem to me from that timeline there was a lot more involvement than what they try to make out, it certainly wasn't a random occurrence that got them arrested. I am curious as to why they tried to downplay it, but people can make up their own mind about it.
I also wonder as to why they started to delete videos and posts that they made while taking part so soon after they realised they were in trouble and were going to need the Irish Government to get them out of it.

In my opinion Ibrahim was a pawn in a bigger game. A diplomatic game which involved his Father and his connections. When the authorities realised who he was, it may have sealed his fate. Allegedly his Father was told in 2013 that if he accepted the coup that his children would be released. He didn't and Ibrahim remained in prison.

end of the road

Jamiekelly wrote: »

If the military was so corrupt I highly doubt they would have allowed a referendum to take place to begin with.

corrupt governments allow "elections" and "referendums" to take place from time to time. just ask

Jamiekelly wrote: »

You seem to want it both ways when it suits you. Oh by the way feel free to google "Muslim brotherhood and ISIS" and you will see Exactly why people are very suspicious of Mr Halawa and his insane family. You don't travel across the continent to attend a rally for something you don't believe in (as he claims). He clearly believes in what they preach and he's more than happy to risk his freedom for it. And with the links between the MB and the likes of ISIS and Al-qaeda being already well known it shouldn't really come as a surprise why we should be cautious about letting terrorists sneak into governments through the political back door.

there is no evidence he supports the mb or agrees with any, or all of their viewpoint. if there is, then lets put him on trial. but i suspect it won't be happening because there is no evidence of it.
links between an organisation and another organisation ultimately mean nothing in this case, as while the mb may have been the organisers of the protests, or even just simply took part in the protests, the protests were about the overthrow of what was, whether we like it or not, a democratically elected government, followed by the murders of people who protested it. the lnking him to sis and all the other speculation against him seems to be mostly agenda based the fact is the egyptians acquitted him of all charges. if he had done something wrong, they would have definitely locked him up, in fact they would have imposed the death penalty.

K.Flyer wrote: »

He was involved in the protests before his friends were shot.
Changing your mind or your story during interviews undermines credibility.

Ibrahim says in the Al-Fateh Mosque video that he went straight to the Rabaa protests on the 28th of June. His sisters and others have said that they were there every day for weeks. Morsi got kicked out on the 3rd July.
On 6th July two of the Halawa sisters post a picture of themselves holding a large supporters picture of Morsi.
On 27th July one of the sisters posted the she Envied the MB martyrs.
On 1st August came the speeches from the back of the trailer. In it Ibrahim states he came directly from Ireland to Rabaa one month ago.
On 9th August a video, with the Halawa Sisters, is posted online inviting people to take a tour of the Rabba camp.
On the 16th Aug the Halawa sisters, with Ibrahim, take part in the Day of Rage protest at Ramses Sq, as expected, it turned bloody and they ran, on the advise of their Father, into the Al-Fateh Mosque.

It would seem to me from that timeline there was a lot more involvement than what they try to make out, it certainly wasn't a random occurrence that got them arrested. I am curious as to why they tried to downplay it, but people can make up their own mind about it.
I also wonder as to why they started to delete videos and posts that they made while taking part so soon after they realised they were in trouble and were going to need the Irish Government to get them out of it.

In my opinion Ibrahim was a pawn in a bigger game. A diplomatic game which involved his Father and his connections. When the authorities realised who he was, it may have sealed his fate. Allegedly his Father was told in 2013 that if he accepted the coup that his children would be released. He didn't and Ibrahim remained in prison.

ultimately this is all speculation. it may very well be true, i don't know, but there is no real evidence to back it up. that's the ultimate problem here. realisticaly it doesn't matter as he has been acquitted, and if the irish authorities ever get evidence that he is a threat then they will have a duty to arrest him and bring him before the courts. that goes for any members of his family.

K.Flyer

K.Flyer wrote: »

He was involved in the protests before his friends were shot.
Changing your mind or your story during interviews undermines credibility.

Ibrahim says in the Al-Fateh Mosque video that he went straight to the Rabaa protests on the 28th of June. His sisters and others have said that they were there every day for weeks. Morsi got kicked out on the 3rd July.
On 6th July two of the Halawa sisters post a picture of themselves holding a large supporters picture of Morsi.
On 27th July one of the sisters posted the she Envied the MB martyrs.
On 1st August came the speeches from the back of the trailer. In it Ibrahim states he came directly from Ireland to Rabaa one month ago.
On 9th August a video, with the Halawa Sisters, is posted online inviting people to take a tour of the Rabba camp.
On the 16th Aug the Halawa sisters, with Ibrahim, take part in the Day of Rage protest at Ramses Sq, as expected, it turned bloody and they ran, on the advise of their Father, into the Al-Fateh Mosque.

It would seem to me from that timeline there was a lot more involvement than what they try to make out, it certainly wasn't a random occurrence that got them arrested. I am curious as to why they tried to downplay it, but people can make up their own mind about it.
I also wonder as to why they started to delete videos and posts that they made while taking part so soon after they realised they were in trouble and were going to need the Irish Government to get them out of it.

In my opinion Ibrahim was a pawn in a bigger game. A diplomatic game which involved his Father and his connections. When the authorities realised who he was, it may have sealed his fate. Allegedly his Father was told in 2013 that if he accepted the coup that his children would be released. He didn't and Ibrahim remained in prison.

end of the road wrote: »

ultimately this is all speculation. it may very well be true, i don't know, but there is no real evidence to back it up.

Apart from my opinion as to why he was not released with his sister, none of the rest is Speculation.
News articles, screen grabs, video and facebook posts confirm everything I have posted.
Its up to you if you don't like whats out there or find it hard to accept.

that's the ultimate problem here. realisticaly it doesn't matter as he has been acquitted, and if the irish authorities ever get evidence that he is a threat then they will have a duty to arrest him and bring him before the courts. that goes for any members of his family.

I have never said he was a threat, or anything like it.

end of the road

K.Flyer wrote: »

Apart from my opinion as to why he was not released with his sister, none of the rest is Speculation.
News articles, screen grabs, video and facebook posts confirm everything I have posted.
Its up to you if you don't like whats out there or find it hard to accept.

I have never said he was a threat, or anything like it.

to be fair, i know that, i didn't say you did say he was a threat. that part of my post wasn't aimed at you. it's not about liking the so-called evidence, it's about the sources of the so-called evidence, don't look very reliable as we have discussed before.

humphrys

end of the road wrote: »

to be fair, i know that, i didn't say you did say he was a threat. that part of my post wasn't aimed at you. it's not about liking the so-called evidence, it's about the sources of the so-called evidence, don't look very reliable as we have discussed before.

That was a nice summary by K.Flyer of the evidence.

I think what EOTR is saying is that because the video of Ibrahim saying he has been at the protests since 28 June (i.e. 6 weeks before arrest) is on my website, therefore that is not Ibrahim in the video saying he has been at the protests since 28 June.

Is that your theory, EOTR? Don't be shy. Spell out your theory.

Tipperary animal lover

don't look very reliable .... in your opinion end of the road

Billy86

K.Flyer wrote: »

Ibrahim says in the Al-Fateh Mosque video that he went straight to the Rabaa protests on the 28th of June. His sisters and others have said that they were there every day for weeks. Morsi got kicked out on the 3rd July.
On 6th July two of the Halawa sisters post a picture of themselves holding a large supporters picture of Morsi.
On 27th July one of the sisters posted the she Envied the MB martyrs.
On 1st August came the speeches from the back of the trailer. In it Ibrahim states he came directly from Ireland to Rabaa one month ago.
On 9th August a video, with the Halawa Sisters, is posted online inviting people to take a tour of the Rabba camp.
On the 16th Aug the Halawa sisters, with Ibrahim, take part in the Day of Rage protest at Ramses Sq, as expected, it turned bloody and they ran, on the advise of their Father, into the Al-Fateh Mosque.

Really good timeline breakdown and overall post.

dreamliner

I'm glad we have gotten back on track with regards this topic.

Has anyone here considered going to any of his talks across the country and asking him the questions directly? He's in UCC tomorrow, was in DCU last week, should be in Trinity and UCD as well sometime in the near future. You can meet him and ask him directly. No nonsensical speculation on boards, put it to bed once and for all.

PeterParker957

dreamliner wrote: »

I'm glad we have gotten back on track with regards this topic.

Has anyone here considered going to any of his talks across the country and asking him the questions directly? He's in UCC tomorrow, was in DCU last week, should be in Trinity and UCD as well sometime in the near future. You can meet him and ask him directly. No nonsensical speculation on boards, put it to bed once and for all.

You assume that a) you'd be allowed to ask the question without being shouted down as a racist; b) he would tell the truth and c) that you could report back here without his usual defenders denying your story.

Annasopra

bilbot79 wrote: »

I was always dodgy about this. Guy gets Irish citizenship, behaves like a gung ho opinionated Egyptian and when it goes app engages the qualities of his adopted nation to bail him out. If he was truly Irish though he should have been more concerned with the price Irish farmers we're getting for milk than the unpredictable politics of Egypt. If your first priority is Egypt then be their citizen not ours!!

What are you on about?

smurgen

smurgen wrote: »

You have the facts to prove he was shot in the hand as was claimed? There was no more about this claim after he came out.

Dreamliner you never came back to me on this.

dreamliner

smurgen wrote: »

Dreamliner you never came back to me on this.

I struggle to see what relevance what I was talking about has to do with Ibrahim's hand? I haven't a clue I wasn't in the cell with him

Odhinn

....did his hand become clearly visible on the radio?

smurgen

Odhinn wrote: »

....did his hand become clearly visible on the radio?

Yes the facebook live feed of the interview is on redfm's page.all 40 mins.hand looks fine.strange that.

smurgen

dreamliner wrote: »

I struggle to see what relevance what I was talking about has to do with Ibrahim's hand? I haven't a clue I wasn't in the cell with him

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

dreamliner

smurgen wrote: »

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

Again, I'm not sure how you expect me to know this. Anyway, I don't see it to be beyond the realm of logic and reason that in such a violent environment with weapons two a penny, that someone shot and hit his hand. Have you seen some of the footage from that day? Being shot in the hand would be the bare minimum.

PeterParker957

smurgen wrote: »

dreamliner wrote: »

I struggle to see what relevance what I was talking about has to do with Ibrahim's hand? I haven't a clue I wasn't in the cell with him

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

Clearly they were. Anyone who takes that at face value needs a head wobble.

Not the only lie he has been caught in hence the need for more questions which we are entitled to ask, regardless of what other may say.

PeterParker957

dreamliner wrote: »

smurgen wrote: »

Do you think they were lying about his hand being damaged?

Again, I'm not sure how you expect me to know this. Anyway, I don't see it to be beyond the realm of logic and reason that in such a violent environment with weapons two a penny, that someone shot and hit his hand. Have you seen some of the footage from that day? Being shot in the hand would be the bare minimum.

You did say you were a school friend of his and are currently plugging the Uni tour dates so I think it's a fair assumption.

smurgen

dreamliner wrote: »

Again, I'm not sure how you expect me to know this. Anyway, I don't see it to be beyond the realm of logic and reason that in such a violent environment with weapons two a penny, that someone shot and hit his hand. Have you seen some of the footage from that day? Being shot in the hand would be the bare minimum.

The burden of proof is on them.they claimed his fingers were barely hanging on and there was enter and exit wounds.based on what i see i would see that as not being truthful.such a fabricated claim makes me wonder what else they are fabricating.

AlekSmart

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

My point is that what he was saying was very plausible. Having grown up in a border area, Im well aware how easy it is to become an activist.

It seems to me that people are taking that context and jumping straight to Sharia and Isis conclusions.

Setting the Sharia & IsIs stuff completely aside,the use of the two dead friends account,as an explaination for his sudden burst of youthful activism does'nt fit with what is known of the Halawa's 2013 timeline.

Put at it's simplest,and by his own recent account,it appeas that at least 4 of the children were already well embedded in "activism" before the deaths of his two friends.

You suggest that because it was easy for Ibrahim to become active at that time he embraced the opportunity,however from the earlier (now deleted) coverage it appears Activism is somewhat more embedded in the family culture than they appear comfortable with in their Western European,Irish context.

Different people listen and comprehend at different levels,and this is true across the board,just as you find the Hawalas accounts plausible,I find them increasingly IMplausible....It's down to personal interpretation and individuality.

gozunda

dreamliner wrote: »

I'm glad we have gotten back on track with regards this topic.

Has anyone here considered going to any of his talks across the country and asking him the questions directly? He's in UCC tomorrow, was in DCU last week, should be in Trinity and UCD as well sometime in the near future. You can meet him and ask him directly. No nonsensical speculation on boards, put it to bed once and for all.

As in the the previous interview - it will depend on the willingness of the interviewee to detail his experiences openly and without reservation. Otherwise we are just catching pigeons....

PeterParker957

gozunda wrote: »

dreamliner wrote: »

I'm glad we have gotten back on track with regards this topic.

Has anyone here considered going to any of his talks across the country and asking him the questions directly? He's in UCC tomorrow, was in DCU last week, should be in Trinity and UCD as well sometime in the near future. You can meet him and ask him directly. No nonsensical speculation on boards, put it to bed once and for all.

As in the the previous interview - it will depend on the willingness of the interviewee to detail his experiences openly and without reservation. Otherwise we are just catching pigeons....

I can guarantee that if he spoke at my college there is zero chance that any questions other than those relating to missing Larry Gogan would be stamped out.

weldoninhio

smurgen wrote: »

You have the facts to prove he was shot in the hand as was claimed? There was no more about this claim after he came out.

There was. He said in his interview with Tubridy that he could only half close his hand. He showed us and everything

















About 2 minutes before he closed the exact same hand into a fist.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

There was. He said in his interview with Tubridy that he could only half close his hand. He showed us and everything

















About 2 minutes before he closed the exact same hand into a fist.

he was demonstrating how far he could close his hand when shot back in 2013, 4 years ago. he never claimed that he couldn't close his hand now, in 2017.

PeterParker957

end of the road wrote: »

weldoninhio wrote: »

There was. He said in his interview with Tubridy that he could only half close his hand. He showed us and everything

















About 2 minutes before he closed the exact same hand into a fist.

he was demonstrating how far he could close his hand when shot back in 2013, 4 years ago. he never claimed that he couldn't close his hand now, in 2017.

I'm asking VHI can I change my physio to an Egyptian jail.

deco nate

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'm asking VHI can I change my physio to an Egyptian jail.

Just make sure you're locked up with the same doctor.

PeterParker957

deco nate wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'm asking VHI can I change my physio to an Egyptian jail.

Just make sure you're locked up with the same doctor.

I'll just ask for the solitary wing with the top notch plastic surgeon.

smurgen

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'll just ask for the solitary wing with the top notch plastic surgeon.

Imagine what the man could do given proper equipement and facilities!

PeterParker957

smurgen wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I'll just ask for the solitary wing with the top notch plastic surgeon.

Imagine what the man could do given proper equipement and facilities!

I hear the Nobel Committee calling!!!!