Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

Dannyriver

Dannyriver wrote: »

I know I ve also seen loads of people refer to David Jones as David Bowie, and Reginald Dwight as Elton John even Robert Zimmerman as Bob Dylan on other sites incredible isn t it .....? You absolute {expletive of choice}

I just spat out my tea reading this.

Omackeral

Dannyriver wrote: »

I know I ve also seen loads of people refer to David Jones as David Bowie, and Reginald Dwight as Elton John even Robert Zimmerman as Bob Dylan on other sites incredible isn t it .....? You absolute {expletive of choice}

You are very, shall we say, dedicated to them. Also lol at putting Blindboy in the same breath as Elton John, Dylan and Bowie.

snotboogie

The Blindboy Moment

Insect Overlord

Dannyriver wrote: »

I know I ve also seen loads of people refer to David Jones as David Bowie, and Reginald Dwight as Elton John even Robert Zimmerman as Bob Dylan on other sites incredible isn t it .....? You absolute {expletive of choice}

Meatloaf made a pretty great career for himself too, and Bono, and Pelé...

Dannyriver

Omackeral wrote: »

That's cool and all but literally it's all you post about. Have you opinions on anything else at all besides the Rubberbandits?

Lots of different opinions about lots of different things, but I don t spend a whole lot of time expressing them on sites like these. Not that I feel there s anything wrong with boards, in fact there are some excellent intelligent contributors here particularly among the moderators who always display restraint and fairness in the face of fierce stupidity at times. But, I ve been doing my best to keep my social media quota down in recent years as it impedes other areas of my life that I've prioritised, so in short I dont have time. However, every now and then I drop in here if I remember or like in this case boards tweeted this thread and I became aware of it. So I posted a few in an attempt to put a bit of balance on the argument and call out falacies it doesn't t take me long to drop a few comments.

optogirl

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Has Boatclub ever appeared out of character in the media?

It might give him more credability to separate the character from the actual person.


Real name, real accent and no bag.

He addressed this in an interview - I think it was on Scroobius Pip's podcast - he enjoys living a normal life and most people don't recognise him so the bag serves that purpose as well as immediately making him into a character.

Dannyriver

Omackeral wrote: »

You are very, shall we say, dedicated to them. Also lol at putting Blindboy in the same breath as Elton John, Dylan and Bowie.

I think you didn t fully understand the point I was making. Perhaps you should read it again and also what I was replying too.

frozenfrozen

optogirl wrote: »

He addressed this in an interview - I think it was on Scroobius Pip's podcast - he enjoys living a normal life and most people don't recognise him so the bag serves that purpose as well as immediately making him into a character.

also just recently in one of the new podcast episodes. He likes that he was able to get sick on the street in Dublin without anyone taking pictures of him and he likes the idea he could move to Leitrim to become an accountant if he ever wanted to pack in being famous.

Boom_Bap

optogirl wrote: »

He addressed this in an interview - I think it was on Scroobius Pip's podcast - he enjoys living a normal life and most people don't recognise him so the bag serves that purpose as well as immediately making him into a character.

https://www.facebook.com/scroobiuspip/videos/1594534733926000/

:pac:

Richard Hillman

People in the entertainment industry are addicted to attention and praise. Like Niall Brezzy Breslin, after his entertainment career peaked, Mr Boatclub then started to share "social Justice" opinions and drew praise from tiny but vocal quarters. This got him on TV more often and had his persona explode back into the attention.

Both example's should be noted that they both have mental health issues.

Wibbs

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Both example's should be noted that they both have mental health issues.

Eh... wut?

Dannyriver

Richard Hillman wrote: »

People in the entertainment industry are addicted to attention and praise. Like Niall Brezzy Breslin, after his entertainment career peaked, Mr Boatclub then started to share "social Justice" opinions and drew praise from tiny but vocal quarters. This got him on TV more often and had his persona explode back into the attention.

Both example's should be noted that they both have mental health issues.

Oh man, everyone has mental health issues at one stage in their life Richard even you, that s exactly the point that they are making. The reason we struggle in western society around mental health is the result of exactly the approach you are taking where its an 'us and them' situation. i'e your line 'Both example's should be noted that they both have mental health issues.' somehow separating them as two people who should be taken less seriously due to their condition. Richard the brain is the most complex organ in the body and just like any other organ it can struggle when its put under stress. This can happen to anyone at any stage and its the normalisation of this reality that will hopefully someday allow people to put their hand up and ask for help when they are struggling in the same way they would without fear go to the doctor if they had an infection to a different more acceptable organ in their body.

Stonedpilot

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ. Do you even know what the word "nonce" usually means in the slang of these islands? You've literally no idea what you're posting here. No clue at all.

Haha I have to laugh at your total ignorance masked as righteous indignation. I mean you take slang meaning of a word over the real literal meaning?.

In etymology (study or origin of words) the word nonce comes from nonsense thus a nonce is someone who speaks nonsense and its not the slang made up meaning of a paedophile. Im using the real meaning not the made up one.Some of us try use language correctly pal and dont have to resort to slang crap.

Note- Jesus wasn't a tap dancer he is and always will be Messiah and Salvation.
Praise him!.

optogirl

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Haha I have to laugh at your total ignorance masked as righteous indignation. I mean you take slang meaning of a word over the real literal meaning?.

In etymology (study or origin of words) the word nonce comes from nonsense thus a nonce is someone who speaks nonsense and its not the slang made up meaning of a paedophile. Im using the real meaning not the made up one.Some of us try use language correctly pal and dont have to resort to slang crap.

Note- Jesus wasn't a tap dancer he is and always will be Messiah and Salvation.
Praise him!.

I have never heard the word nonce used to mean someone who speaks nonsense. Calling someone ignorant for reading the word as it is most commonly used? Where's your proof for this etymology? I think one guy once suggested that this could be where it came from but it is in no way a common or known way of using it.

frozenfrozen

Wibbs

Dannyriver wrote: »

Oh man, everyone has mental health issues at one stage in their life Richard even you,

Eh... no they don't. A large proportion, if not the majority of people have gone and go through life without mental health problems. That's part of the problem with mental health stuff these days. The inference is everyone is or should be brought under this umbrella. We've over medicalised and defined the parameters of mental health problems. Look to the US as an example of how the narrative has unfolded, where doctors, usually GP's who are not qualified enough in the area, prescribe anti depressants for things like grief, exam stress and the emotions of breakups.

The reason we struggle in western society around mental health is the result of exactly the approach you are taking where its an 'us and them' situation.

Again what? Western society has by a goodly long way the most avenues and treatments and understanding of mental health issues. One could even suggest western society is obsessed over it. And yet the increase in mental health problems goes on.

Dannyriver

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Haha I have to laugh at your total ignorance masked as righteous indignation. I mean you take slang meaning of a word over the real literal meaning?.

In etymology (study or origin of words) the word nonce comes from nonsense thus a nonce is someone who speaks nonsense and its not the slang made up meaning of a paedophile. Im using the real meaning not the made up one.Some of us try use language correctly pal and dont have to resort to slang crap.

Note- Jesus wasn't a tap dancer he is and always will be Messiah and Salvation.
Praise him!.

Naw id say he called you out correctly so you re making a whole lot of **** up about 'some of us try using language correctly pal'. I think it's reasonable to assume that most people use words based on how they are socially used at the time of speaking unless the person saying them is pretty pretentious/eccentric or both. Apologies if you are pretentious/eccentric or both .

Dannyriver

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh... no they don't. A large proportion, if not the majority of people have gone and go through life without mental health problems. That's part of the problem with mental health stuff these days. The inference is everyone is or should be brought under this umbrella. We've over medicalised and defined the parameters of mental health problems. Look to the US as an example of how the narrative has unfolded, where doctors, usually GP's who are not qualified enough in the area, prescribe anti depressants for things like grief, exam stress and the emotions of breakups. Again what? Western society has by a goodly long way the most avenues and treatments and understanding of mental health issues. One could even suggest western society is obsessed over it. And yet the increase in mental health problems goes on.

I think you misinterpreted my use of 'mental health issues' as 'mental illness' Regarding mental illness i agree with you. I also agree/know that GP s aren t qualified nor have the time to deal with basic mental health issues of their clients and tend to use the medical model far too broadly. We need a proactive approach to education around mental health fitness[resilience] from an early age and also teachers and carers of young people need to be educated around same.

RocketRaccoon

Boom_Bap wrote: »

You can listen to him, but you don't have to agree with everything. And that's fine.

It has been a fantastic podcast so far. I can't understand people getting so up in arms about a man trying to get other men to talk about their mental health, it's very strange behaviour.

Dave (if people want to go down that route) is an intelligent man, some people seem to be blinded to this fact by the character he plays.

Brian?

c_man wrote: »

No idea mate. I know they had a show two or three years back and haven't been on since (UK tv) so I just assumed cancelled. It's not exactly like it's Sherlock or something

So you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. I’m glad we can agree.

Sold out shows, part of one tv series and 2 series of their own. An unqualified success if you ask me.

DickSwiveller

Brian? wrote: »

So you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. I’m glad we can agree.

Sold out shows, part of one tv series and 2 series of their own. An unqualified success if you ask me.

What is this an argument for? The alleged singers One Direction have sold out concerts all over the world. Just because they sell a lot of tickets doesn't mean they have anything interesting to say.

Brian?

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What is this an argument for? The alleged singers One Direction have sold out concerts all over the world. Just because they sell a lot of tickets doesn't mean they have anything interesting to say.

I'm responding to a poster who said they've had no success outside ireland. This is incorrect. That's all.

I do think Blindboy has a lot of interesting things to say, but there's no point in arguing that as it's completely subjective.

frozenfrozen

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What is this an argument for? The alleged singers One Direction have sold out concerts all over the world. Just because they sell a lot of tickets doesn't mean they have anything interesting to say.

It was suggested that Blindboy has turned to talking about mental health because his work otherwise isn't successful, which is untrue. The rubberbandits are successful.

Boom_Bap

Boom_Bap wrote: »

.............
It's essentially so he can have a life outside of the celebrity circus.

...............

I like him and I like what he has to say.

The bit in bold is horse****. He's not a celebrity for a start ......... as you like him you swallow his spoof.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

By all accounts they were not the Liberal lads they like make out from their School days.

Indeed. He's full of ****. He was spoofing on about none of his peers or friends own a home or are hoping to buy as they can't afford it a couple of years back.

He's from a well to do part of Limerick so unless he doesn't talk to anyone he went to school with / doesn't know them he's a spoofer.

Jumping from homelessness to depression to get his plastic bag clad head on TV etc ......... a tool of the highest order.

elefant

Augeo wrote: »

.

He's from a well to do part of Limerick so unless he doesn't talk to anyone he went to school with / doesn't know them he's a spoofer.

Jumping from homelessness to depression to get his plastic bag clad head on TV etc ......... a tool of the highest order.

I'm guessing he's in his late 20s or early 30s?

That's the same age bracket as me. I'm from a 'well-to-do' part of Galway, and afaik none of my friends in Ireland have purchased properties off their own bat.

elefant

elefant wrote: »

I'm guessing he's in his late 20s or early 30s?..............

I'd think he's 33 at least.

Galway house prices are a tad higher than Limerick to be fair.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/jokers-unmasked-as-middleclass-lads-26607316.html

"From the very plush Ennis Road area of Limerick, Chambers is described locally as the brains of the operation................
Chambers also attended Limerick School of Art and Design as a student of graphics and is understood to be completing a masters in psychology"

optogirl

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What is this an argument for? The alleged singers One Direction have sold out concerts all over the world. Just because they sell a lot of tickets doesn't mean they have anything interesting to say.

no but they can sing & they sing catchy pop tunes aimed at the very demographic who love them. Not my cup of tea but your average 13 year old thinks they're fab.

weldoninhio

Augeo wrote: »

The bit in bold is horse****. He's not a celebrity for a start ......... as you like him you swallow his spoof.



Indeed. He's full of ****. He was spoofing on about none of his peers or friends own a home or are hoping to buy as they can't afford it a couple of years back.

He's from a well to do part of Limerick so unless he doesn't talk to anyone he went to school with / doesn't know them he's a spoofer.

Jumping from homelessness to depression to get his plastic bag clad head on TV etc ......... a tool of the highest order.

He's basically Wesley Quirke with a Bressie complex.

Dannyriver

Augeo wrote: »

The bit in bold is horse****. He's not a celebrity for a start ......... as you like him you swallow his spoof.



Indeed. He's full of ****. He was spoofing on about none of his peers or friends own a home or are hoping to buy as they can't afford it a couple of years back.

He's from a well to do part of Limerick so unless he doesn't talk to anyone he went to school with / doesn't know them he's a spoofer.

Jumping from homelessness to depression to get his plastic bag clad head on TV etc ......... a tool of the highest order.

See more of it absolute lies from someone who clearly doesn t know him. He was born and raised in a very modest 3 bedroom house and comes from a very large family , they were in no way well to do and none of his friends can afford to get on the property ladder me included because the bank wont give them a loan in my case because of the ridiculous wage I get for what traditionally would be seen as a good job. For spoof take a look closer to home you dont know what you are talking about.

Dannyriver

Dannyriver wrote: »

See more of it absolute lies from someone who clearly doesn t know him. He was born and raised in a very modest 3 bedroom house and comes from a very large family , they were in no way well to do and none of his friends can afford to get on the property ladder me included because the bank wont give them a loan in my case because of the ridiculous wage I get for what traditionally would be seen as a good job. For spoof take a look closer to home you dont know what you are talking about.

lol

hate to be you bud

I'm sure you could afford this http://www.daft.ie/limerick/houses-for-sale/abbeyfeale/7-old-church-street-abbeyfeale-limerick-1516276/ if you have the traditionally good job you claim you have

or this http://www.daft.ie/limerick/apartments-for-sale/limerick-city/24-steamboat-quay-limerick-city-limerick-1564631/

The Moldy Gowl

Augeo wrote: »

I'd think he's 33 at least.

Galway house prices are a tad higher than Limerick to be fair.

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/jokers-unmasked-as-middleclass-lads-26607316.html

"From the very plush Ennis Road area of Limerick, Chambers is described locally as the brains of the operation................
Chambers also attended Limerick School of Art and Design as a student of graphics and is understood to be completing a masters in psychology"

Ha plush. Its a normal neighbourhood full of normal people on the suburbs of limerick.

Its not the blackrock of limerick like you are trying to make out. Its basically beaumont

The Moldy Gowl

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Ha plush. Its a normal neighbourhood full of normal people on the suburbs of limerick.

Its not the blackrock of limerick like you are trying to make out. Its basically beaumont

Fairly chunky house prices in some parts .......

http://www.daft.ie/limerick/houses-for-sale/ennis-road/

I suppose he's from the sh1t part :pac:

Nettle Soup

steak_lover wrote: »

houses in well to do parts of limerick are 35% cheaper than the likes of anything remotely middle class in galway

galway is a very expensive city , limerick is the same price as most midland towns and far cheaper than any town within fifty miles of dublin

Not anymore. The current housing boom will see Limerick doing better than other cities. It will catch up.

Two reasons: Lots of new employers/jobs and Traffic/Accommodation have choked Dublin and Galway.

Ask the IDA, Limerick is hot now. Dublin is grinding to a halt.

The Moldy Gowl

Augeo wrote: »

Fairly chunky house prices in some parts .......

http://www.daft.ie/limerick/houses-for-sale/ennis-road/

I suppose he's from the sh1t part :pac:

Nah not really. I know the neighbourhood where he is from. Its just a standard copy paste neighbourhood from anywhere in Ireland.

The tone of the article is making him out to be a posh boy.
Hes just a normal limerick lad who was given a platform to talk and trying to do what he perceives as something good in the world.

Boom_Bap

Augeo wrote: »

The bit in bold is horse****. He's not a celebrity for a start ......... as you like him you swallow his spoof.

That's exactly the point!

And no, I do not swallow his spoof, I think that he takes a tricky subject, simplifies it and articulates it well.
Whether I agree with said point is another story.

Nettle Soup

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Both example's should be noted that they both have mental health issues.

Let me tell you something Richard....we all have mental health issues, every single one of us.

Wibbs

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Let me tell you something Richard....we all have mental health issues, every single one of us.

Eh no, we don't. People have their moments of emotional stresses and strains alright, just like people have their moments of emotional contentments. It's called the Human Condition. Now some of us do suffer from mental health issues and that needs addressing and they need help, but the human condition is not a mental health issue and I've a pain in my hoop with too many pushing to make it one. Never mind the gobsmackingly naive/idiotic who are trying to make mental issues in men a "feminist" issue.

Stonedpilot

optogirl wrote: »

I have never heard the word nonce used to mean someone who speaks nonsense. Calling someone ignorant for reading the word as it is most commonly used? Where's your proof for this etymology? I think one guy once suggested that this could be where it came from but it is in no way a common or known way of using it.

From

'Linguist Jonathon Green suggests the word derives from nonsense. He quotes a reference from 1970 citing "nonces" as being short for "nonsenses" and an additional citation from 1999'

'Jonathon Green is often referred to as the English-speaking world's leading lexicographer of slang,[1] and has even been described as 'The most acclaimed British lexicographer.:)'



I'll take his word for it pal.

Stonedpilot

Wibbs wrote: »

I would agree. That he talks about young men's mental health is a good thing, but when he adds in that "feminism" is the positive in the fight to help young men, the same movement that spends a large proportion of its time directly telling the same men that they are to blame for all the ills of the world, hits the daft and irony button with equal vigour.

That said I can understand why he might believe this and there would be a generational thing going on. He's grown up, as many young men have, with that philosophy as a background, particularly if he grew up in a liberal/centre left environment*. The more he gets into show business the more that stuff will be reinforced(though as we've seen with Hollywood it's often a mask).


*nothing wrong with that BTW. I would class myself as an old style liberal.

Very true, I found it funny when he said 'I think you men need feminism' 'Feminism is a very necessary thing for young men' on the late late show chest puffed out like he was Martin Luther stating his I have a dream speech. Of course it was all effusive crap.

Stupid point and yet Tubs wouldn't ask him. Well men's mental health issues can be sorted without them supporting a movement that effectively vilifies them and blames them for everything don't you think there Blindboy?.

Nope never happen,Tubs is thick as a double ditch and Blindboy he's RTE's poster boy now.

You must remember anyone being pushed and promoted by RTE will never be allowed to tell the public the truth or anything close to it.

optogirl

Stonedpilot wrote: »

From

'Linguist Jonathon Green suggests the word derives from nonsense. He quotes a reference from 1970 citing "nonces" as being short for "nonsenses" and an additional citation from 1999'

'Jonathon Green is often referred to as the English-speaking world's leading lexicographer of slang,[1] and has even been described as 'The most acclaimed British lexicographer.:)'



I'll take his word for it pal.

'suggests'. His suggestion is also the last one provided on Wikipedia which is where you found it. It is not now, nor has it ever been used to describe somebody talking nonsense (apart from in your post). You conveniently ignored the first line of the entry which is 'In the United Kingdom, nonce is a slang word for a pariah within a community of prisoners, typically a sex offender, child sexual abuser or one who has turned state's evidence.'.

Insect Overlord

Stonedpilot wrote: »

I'll take his word for it pal.

Word derivation and word usage are two very different things. See words like "gay", "fag", etc. You might want to broaden your reading beyond etymology.

frozenfrozen

Stonedpilot wrote: »

From

'Linguist Jonathon Green suggests the word derives from nonsense. He quotes a reference from 1970 citing "nonces" as being short for "nonsenses" and an additional citation from 1999'

'Jonathon Green is often referred to as the English-speaking world's leading lexicographer of slang,[1] and has even been described as 'The most acclaimed British lexicographer.:)'



I'll take his word for it pal.

Esel

PAL is short for Passive-Aggressive Language.

I prefer cryptographic nonces myself....

listermint

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh no, we don't. People have their moments of emotional stresses and strains alright, just like people have their moments of emotional contentments. It's called the Human Condition. Now some of us do suffer from mental health issues and that needs addressing and they need help, but the human condition is not a mental health issue and I've a pain in my hoop with too many pushing to make it one. Never mind the gobsmackingly naive/idiotic who are trying to make mental issues in men a "feminist" issue.

Strange that Blindboy has the same thought process as you, If you had listened to him at all.

RocketRaccoon

I love that people think the ennis road in limerick is posh hahaha

The Moldy Gowl

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

I love that people think the ennis road in limerick is posh hahaha

Its leafy man. Trees arent cheap.

Don't think people realise its on the other side of the road as ballynanty and moyross.no trees there

Dannyriver

Augeo wrote: »

lol

hate to be you bud

I'm sure you could afford this http://www.daft.ie/limerick/houses-for-sale/abbeyfeale/7-old-church-street-abbeyfeale-limerick-1516276/ if you have the traditionally good job you claim you have

or this http://www.daft.ie/limerick/apartments-for-sale/limerick-city/24-steamboat-quay-limerick-city-limerick-1564631/

Man that's actually laughable you haven t a clue what you re talking about yet you still decide to not listen to people who actually know Limerick because they are from there. The 2 choices you picked just prove it. Abbeyfeale is a small town which is practically in Kerry, and steamboat quay is not the best place to raise small kids considering its been bought up by vulcher funds who rent the apartments out to every drug dealer in town. Its party central down there from Thursday to Monday. Do you believe all the news you read in the papers or only the nonsence about Blindboy coming from the plush suburbs, Id say you d have no problem spotting fake news if it suited what you wanted to believe.

Wibbs

listermint wrote: »

Strange that Blindboy has the same thought process as you, If you had listened to him at all.

Oh so he's not advocating "feminism" as the solution for young men? Could have fooled me Ted.

Straight from the placcy bag's mouth;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWUDQdiFB7A

I quote: "What these young men need is feminism" then followed by the usual "patriarchy" and "neoliberal" stuff. Now on the surface it seems to make sense, especially the bit about guys getting down about "providing for women". Great. In theory. However the same young men he's speaking with are more in touch with the realities and the realities are that being broke will negatively impact a man's potential dating life. The "provider" role for men is present in every single culture throughout history and no amount of "gender studies" courses and wishful thinking in a generation will change it.

Dannyriver

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh so he's not advocating "feminism" as the solution for young men? Could have fooled me Ted.

Straight from the placcy bag's mouth;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWUDQdiFB7A

I quote: "What these young men need is feminism" then followed by the usual "patriarchy" and "neoliberal" stuff. Now on the surface it seems to make sense, especially the bit about guys getting down about "providing for women". Great. In theory. However the same young men he's speaking with are more in touch with the realities and the realities are that being broke will negatively impact a man's potential dating life. The "provider" role for men is present in every single culture throughout history and no amount of "gender studies" courses and wishful thinking in a generation will change it.

The point he is making is that a belief in traditional gender roles causes stress on certain men who as a result of neo liberal policies which were first championed by Reganomics and subsequently taken up by the EU have made it extermely difficult to live up to these standards of the male being the provider and anything less is a failure. It's obvious here that he is using feminism in the traditional sense of equality and not in the radical feminism that makes all the headlines these days. What do you think he means by it?

pumpkin4life

Blindboy is what I call a midwit.

Smart enough to understand the nonsense that is put into his head, but not smart enough to think around the theory. He's a useful idiot that appeals to other useful idiots.

Neoliberalism. Feminism. Liberalism. What big words will is use today? What trendy opinion will I espouse on the Late Late? Gobshìte.

These people are usually horrible to be around, as the old Dunning Kruger effect tends to kick in pretty quickly. There's no talking to them.

But mainly, he's not funny.