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General Rugby Discussion II

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    #7682
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 5,961 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    hahashake wrote: »
    Murray Kinsella posted a Rassie quote from the documentary this morning on his twitter that isn't the most complimentary of the Irish side...

    I'm not on Twitter. What did he say?


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    #7683
    Jump_In_Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    I'm not on Twitter. What did he say?

    Ireland are soft and England go away, but Wales are tough.


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    #7684
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users Posts: 5,961 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Jump_In_Jack wrote: »
    Ireland are soft and England go away, but Wales are tough.

    That would be a pretty common believe in NZ as well. Most kiwis would think that Ireland can be bullied and physically dominated, if England fall behind and the game starts getting away from them they will disappear. Where as the Welsh are stubborn and don't know their place :D


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    #7685
    Sangre
    Registered Users Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    That would be a pretty common believe in NZ as well. Most kiwis would think that Ireland can be bullied and physically dominated, if England fall behind and the game starts getting away from them they will disappear. Where as the Welsh are stubborn and don't know their place :D

    Is that a throwback to the 70s? Wales are obviously a good side but have been nowhere near beating NZ in long a time.


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    #7686
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,707 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    George Clancy has retired.

    https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1321802063194542080?s=19


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    #7687
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,367 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    :):):):):)


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    #7688
    Pelezico
    Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    Another one of the greats has died. JJ Williams played for Wales in the 70s.

    Probably would not last 5 minutes in the modern game.


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    #7689
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Pelezico wrote: »
    Another one of the greats has died. JJ Williams played for Wales in the 70s.

    Probably would not last 5 minutes in the modern game.

    Classy... again...


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    #7690
    Pelezico
    Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    aloooof wrote: »
    Classy... again...


    Yeah....he wasnt great but all the lazy pundits are calling him a great.


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    #7691
    OldRio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Pelezico wrote: »
    Yeah....he wasnt great but all the lazy pundits are calling him a great.

    How do you know he wasn't great?


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    #7692
    Pelezico
    Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Pelezico


    OldRio wrote: »
    How do you know he wasn't great?

    I used to watch him.play. But the modern protocol is to write about every player who retires or dies as a great.

    He was at best a club player ...I the modern game he would last as long as the first tackle.


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    #7693
    OldRio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,918 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Pelezico wrote: »
    I used to watch him.play. But the modern protocol is to write about every player who retires or dies as a great.

    He was at best a club player ...I the modern game he would last as long as the first tackle.

    So you're in your 60s then.

    As someone who is in their mid sixties I find your remarks odd. Usually people of any age, moreso our age are more respectful of the recently deceased.


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    #7694
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,817 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Pelezico wrote: »
    I used to watch him.play. But the modern protocol is to write about every player who retires or dies as a great.

    He was at best a club player ...I the modern game he would last as long as the first tackle.

    He didn't play in the modern game, therefore the modern game has zero relevance to his ability. He was a 7 time test Lion and won 2 Grand Slams. More that you or any 'club player' could ever dream of.


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    #7695
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    The RFU is bringing charges against 13 Barbarians players. Charges include:

    - Individual breaches of the protocols (e.g. leaving the hotel without permission or without informing organisers of their whereabouts)

    - Providing false statements during an investigation

    with possible fines and bans if guilty of false statements and breaching protocols


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    #7696
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,296 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    The RFU is bringing charges against 13 Barbarians players. Charges include:

    - Individual breaches of the protocols (e.g. leaving the hotel without permission or without informing organisers of their whereabouts)

    - Providing false statements during an investigation

    with possible fines and bans if guilty of false statements and breaching protocols

    I'm a bit confused by this.
    How is it up to the RFU to decide who to charge - they aren't a governing body of rugby, they just provided one team for an international match.
    If there's non-English players involved/charged, could they not just tell the RFU to go swing?


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    #7697
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,001 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    I'm a bit confused by this.
    How is it up to the RFU to decide who to charge - they aren't a governing body of rugby, they just provided one team for an international match.
    If there's non-English players involved/charged, could they not just tell the RFU to go swing?

    I would assume it's because they were the organisers of the fixture and not certain on this, but would the "Barbarians RFC" be registered as a club under the RFU meaning that they would be subject to their by-laws etc.?


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    #7698
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Pelezico wrote: »
    Another one of the greats has died. JJ Williams played for Wales in the 70s.

    Probably would not last 5 minutes in the modern game.
    Pelezico wrote: »
    Yeah....he wasnt great but all the lazy pundits are calling him a great.
    Pelezico wrote: »
    I used to watch him.play. But the modern protocol is to write about every player who retires or dies as a great.

    He was at best a club player ...I the modern game he would last as long as the first tackle.

    Mod: The main rule of the charter is "Don't be a dick". Any more of this kind of posting and your posting privileges will not be hanging around.


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    #7699
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,015 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    RIP JJ Williams

    absolute legend of the game !!!



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    #7700
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,747 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    The RFU is bringing charges against 13 Barbarians players. Charges include:

    - Individual breaches of the protocols (e.g. leaving the hotel without permission or without informing organisers of their whereabouts)

    - Providing false statements during an investigation

    with possible fines and bans if guilty of false statements and breaching protocols

    What sanctions can they enforce against say Fergus McFadden or any of the Barbarians who aren't Englush or retired?

    I suppose it depends on the nature of their Barbarians contract, but on the face of it they cant ban a retired player and can they really enforce a fine?


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    #7701
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    bilston wrote: »
    What sanctions can they enforce against say Fergus McFadden or any of the Barbarians who aren't Englush or retired?

    I suppose it depends on the nature of their Barbarians contract, but on the face of it they cant ban a retired player and can they really enforce a fine?

    Depends Whats in the contract I guess


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    #7702
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    bilston wrote: »
    What sanctions can they enforce against say Fergus McFadden or any of the Barbarians who aren't Englush or retired?

    I suppose it depends on the nature of their Barbarians contract, but on the face of it they cant ban a retired player and can they really enforce a fine?
    As RFU were governing authority who sanctioned the game they could punish McFadden the same as the english players i imagine. He signed up to same regulations and to follow policies in place same as english players.


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    #7703
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    As RFU were governing authority who sanctioned the game they could punish McFadden the same as the english players i imagine. He signed up to same regulations and to follow policies in place same as english players.

    Although as a retired man any sanctions are likely unenforceable


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    #7704
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,367 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    salmocab wrote: »
    Although as a retired man any sanctions are likely unenforceable

    I would imagine financial penalties, if outlined in whatever contract McFadden signed to play, could be pursued.


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    #7705
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,782 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    some nice polos in the range

    https://www.elverys.ie/elverys/en/Elverys/Rugby/InternationalTeams/BritishIrishLions/c/2828

    Can never figure out sizes. Some mediums are baggy but some are tight. Ill wait and see them in the stores whenever they open back up


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    #7706
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    awec wrote: »
    I would imagine financial penalties, if outlined in whatever contract McFadden signed to play, could be pursued.

    I would say beyond not paying him his fee which is totally fair they have very little chance of getting anything from an individual that lives in another jurisdiction and doesn’t even play rugby anymore. I doubt they’d even try.


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    #7707
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    awec wrote: »
    I would imagine financial penalties, if outlined in whatever contract McFadden signed to play, could be pursued.
    From Murray Kinsella on twitter.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elgjh9yXgAMZjP5?format=png&name=medium


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    #7708
    RugbyLover123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭RugbyLover123


    Is Sean Maitland being overlooked by Scotland or what’s the story? Why is he with the Barbarians and not them?


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    #7709
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    RugbyLover123 wrote: »
    Is Sean Maitland being overlooked by Scotland or what’s the story? Why is he with the Barbarians and not them?
    got dropped from scottish squad for breaching covid protocols


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    #7710
    RugbyLover123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭RugbyLover123


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    got dropped from scottish squad for breaching covid protocols

    Would he not have been in Scottish camp for the Georgian game at the same time the Barbarians were in camp for England? Or did he break restrictions on his own and then with Barbarians?


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    #7711
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    RugbyLover123 wrote: »
    Is Sean Maitland being overlooked by Scotland or what’s the story? Why is he with the Barbarians and not them?

    He was in the squad and was due to join back up with them for the final 6N game but has been dropped now because of the breach


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