Irish Players outside the Provinces 17/18

thomond2006

Niall Annett re-signs with Worcester.

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/annett-commits-to-warriors/

maoriincork

connachta wrote: »

Not happy. I thought he left Connacht because he wanted to play 10

No he was let go by Tim Alnut.
All he has ever wanted to do was play rugby and that meant wherever he was needed.

stephen_n

pickarooney wrote: »

The Megabucks would be an incentive but the tonguing should deal the deal :P

Jokes about misused words are always funnier when they contain misused words.

connachta

maoriincork wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

Not happy. I thought he left Connacht because he wanted to play 10

No he was let go by Tim Alnut.
All he has ever wanted to do was play rugby and that meant wherever he was needed.

Then good luck to the boy

Buer

thomond2006 wrote: »

Niall Annett re-signs with Worcester.

http://www.planetrugby.com/news/annett-commits-to-warriors/

Disappointing. He could definitely have done a job at a province and I reckoned one of Ulster or Leinster would come in for him given the age profiles and status of their existing options.

At 27 this season he'll probably never come back to Ireland now. I wouldn't be surprised to see him offered a spot in a Saxons team either.

irishbucsfan

Buer wrote: »

Disappointing. He could definitely have done a job at a province and I reckoned one of Ulster or Leinster would come in for him given the age profiles and status of their existing options.

At 27 this season he'll probably never come back to Ireland now. I wouldn't be surprised to see him offered a spot in a Saxons team either.

He's missed the whole season with a knee injury, I think. Might have been deemed too risky.

Owta Control

I see Trevor Brennan's son, Dan is making great strides in France... Part of the U20's 6 nations squad.,.any chance that a young 19.5 stone prop might be tempted to these shores?

Buer

Owta Control wrote: »

I see Trevor Brennan's son, Dan is making great strides in France... Part of the U20's 6 nations squad.,.any chance that a young 19.5 stone prop might be tempted to these shores?

He sees himself as French and wants to play for France. It has been commented on publicly. Brennan and Irish rugby are not on good terms.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Owta Control wrote: »

I see Trevor Brennan's son, Dan is making great strides in France... Part of the U20's 6 nations squad.,.any chance that a young 19.5 stone prop might be tempted to these shores?

Not to mention that France considers their u20 team as their second team he will probably tie himself to France permanently during these six nations.

connachta

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Owta Control wrote: »

I see Trevor Brennan's son, Dan is making great strides in France... Part of the U20's 6 nations squad.,.any chance that a young 19.5 stone prop might be tempted to these shores?

Not to mention that France considers their u20 team as their second team he will probably tie himself to France permanently during these six nations.

I thought it was French Barbarians now..

Buer

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Not to mention that France considers their u20 team as their second team he will probably tie himself to France permanently during these six nations.

Pretty sure World Rugby deemed that illegal now?

CIARAN_BOYLE

connachta wrote: »

I thought it was French Barbarians now..

Just checked you are right

Buer wrote: »

Pretty sure World Rugby deemed that illegal now?

South Africa Italy and Georgia still have u20s and Mexico have their u19s as of 2017

connachta

I excluded those who seem to have "disappeared" from google-search-year-result (Mark Best, Willie Ryan ...)
And i've made the (long tideous) work to separate those who seem out of contract (for now), and those who are bound overseas (or already back in Ireland) beyond this summer.
In red those I'd want to see signing in one province (let's say Connacht :P)... Because there're promising and/or there's an opportunity to make them move on low money (relegation or huge competion in their club), compared to their decent level.

LH Prop
 
Sean McCarthy 27
Leinster, Jersey, now Bedford

Jack O’Connell 27
Ex-Leinster, now Bristol
 
Hooker
 
George McGuigan 24
Newcasle, now Leicester
 
Jason Harris Wright 29
Leinster, Connacht, Bristol (twice)
 
Jonny Murphy 26
Ulster, Rotherham
 
TH Prop
 
Oliver Jager 23
Crussaders until July
 
Dave Ryan 31
Agen
 
Ben Betts 22
Leicester
 
Rory Burke 24
Munster, Nottingham
 
Craig Trenier 24
Ulster, Richmond
 
2^nd Row
 
Mark Flanagan 28
Munster (loan), Saracens
 
Danny Qualter 26
Connacht, Nottingham
 
Dan Tuohy 33
Bristol, Leicester (loan)
 
Back-Row
 
Conor Gilsenan 26
Leinster, Connacht (short-term), London Irish
 
Shane Buckley, 26
Munster, now Nottingham
 
Dom. Ryan 27
Leicester
 
Danny Kenny 29
L.Scottish
 
Jordan Coghlan, 25
Nottingham
 
Lorcan Dow, 22
Ex-Ulster, now Richmond
 
Kelvin Browne, 21
(played in Aurillac, back in AIL)
 
Scrum-half
 
Michael Heaney 27
Ulster, now Doncaster
 
Peter Stringer 40 (and doesn’t want to retire !)
Munster, Bath, Sale, Worcester, released
 
Charlie Mulchrone 28
Quins, Worcester, now Rotherham
 
Flyhalf
 
Caolan Ryan 26
Rotherham
 
Gearoid Lyons 23
Munster, Nottingham
 
Sean O'Hagan 22
Connacht, Ulster, Richmond
 
Darren Hudson 27
Bristol FB, now plays 10 in AIL (MU Barnhall)
 
Brett Connon 21
Newcastle
 
Declan Cusack 30
Spain, Doncaster
 
Centre
 
Brendan Macken 26
Wasps
 
Piers O’Conor 23
Wasps, now Ealing
 
Eamonn Sheridan 28
London Irish, then Oyonnax, now Carcasonne
 
Wing
 
Steven McMahon, 23
Munster now Carcasonne (played 13 and 15 too)
 
Charlie Ingall (utility back) 29
Newcstle, Wasps, Sale, London Scottish
 
Rory Parata, 23
Connacht, N-Z, now Zebre
 
Conor Gaston 27
Aurillac
 
Alex O’Meara 25
Cornish Pirates
 
FB
Ciaran Gaffney 22
Connacht, now Zebre
 
Declan Cusack 29
Munster, now Doncaster
 
 
IQ but Not available (signed over summer 2018)
 
Ryan (the Racing one), Dougall, Butler, Foley, Zebo, F.Mulchrone, Whitten, Steenson, Tovey, Joyce, McAllister, Annett, J.Sexton, F. Mulchrone, Scanlon, Lydon, J.Hagan, J.Madigan
 
Ex IQ
 
Paddy Ryan (now USA), Ian McKinley (now Italy)

FACECUTTR

connachta wrote: »

I excluded those who seem to have "disappeared" from google-search-year-result (Mark Best, Willie Ryan ...)
And i've made the (long tideous) work to separate those who seem out of contract (for now), and those who are bound overseas (or already back in Ireland) beyond this summer.
In red those I'd want to see signing in one province (let's say Connacht :P)... Because there're promising and/or there's an opportunity to make them move on low money (relegation or huge competion in their club), compared to their decent level.

LH Prop
 
Sean McCarthy 27
Leinster, Jersey, now Bedford

Jack O’Connell 27
Ex-Leinster, now Bristol
 
Hooker
 
George McGuigan 24
Newcasle, now Leicester
 
Jason Harris Wright 29
Leinster, Connacht, Bristol (twice)
 
Jonny Murphy 26
Ulster, Rotherham
 
TH Prop
 
Oliver Jager 23
Crussaders until July
 
Dave Ryan 31
Agen
 
Ben Betts 22
Leicester
 
Rory Burke 24
Munster, Nottingham
 
Craig Trenier 24
Ulster, Richmond
 
2^nd Row
 
Mark Flanagan 28
Munster (loan), Saracens
 
Danny Qualter 26
Connacht, Nottingham
 
Dan Tuohy 33
Bristol, Leicester (loan)
 
Back-Row
 
Conor Gilsenan 26
Leinster, Connacht (short-term), London Irish
 
Shane Buckley, 26
Munster, now Nottingham
 
Dom. Ryan 27
Leicester
 
Danny Kenny 29
L.Scottish
 
Jordan Coghlan, 25
Nottingham
 
Lorcan Dow, 22
Ex-Ulster, now Richmond
 
Kelvin Browne, 21
(played in Aurillac, back in AIL)
 
Scrum-half
 
Michael Heaney 27
Ulster, now Doncaster
 
Peter Stringer 40 (and doesn’t want to retire !)
Munster, Bath, Sale, Worcester, released
 
Charlie Mulchrone 28
Quins, Worcester, now Rotherham
 
Flyhalf
 
Caolan Ryan 26
Rotherham
 
Gearoid Lyons 23
Munster, Nottingham
 
Sean O'Hagan 22
Connacht, Ulster, Richmond
 
Darren Hudson 27
Bristol FB, now plays 10 in AIL (MU Barnhall)
 
Brett Connon 21
Newcastle
 
Declan Cusack 30
Spain, Doncaster
 
Centre
 
Brendan Macken 26
Wasps
 
Piers O’Conor 23
Wasps, now Ealing
 
Eamonn Sheridan 28
London Irish, then Oyonnax, now Carcasonne
 
Wing
 
Steven McMahon, 23
Munster now Carcasonne (played 13 and 15 too)
 
Charlie Ingall (utility back) 29
Newcstle, Wasps, Sale, London Scottish
 
Rory Parata, 23
Connacht, N-Z, now Zebre
 
Conor Gaston 27
Aurillac
 
Alex O’Meara 25
Cornish Pirates
 
FB
Ciaran Gaffney 22
Connacht, now Zebre
 
Declan Cusack 29
Munster, now Doncaster
 
 
IQ but Not available (signed over summer 2018)
 
Ryan (the Racing one), Dougall, Butler, Foley, Zebo, F.Mulchrone, Whitten, Steenson, Tovey, Joyce, McAllister, Annett, J.Sexton, F. Mulchrone, Scanlon, Lydon, J.Hagan, J.Madigan
 
Ex IQ
 
Paddy Ryan (now USA), Ian McKinley (now Italy)

Add AJ to the bottom list.

connachta

AJ became NIQ 3 years ago, not this season
It was just about players who were on the exiles list until now and can't be anymore
Tadagh Leader to follow soon I guess

irishfan9

John Madigan, the imposing former Munster lock, was in the second row for Massy as they lost 27-17 to Dax.

23-year-old Madigan is enjoying a fine season, with 15 starts and a further three appearances off the bench, and is understood to have recently signed a two-year extension to his contract with Massy.

connachta

Yeah it's a pity
same about Joe Joyce, Bristol starter, re-signed
Only Mark Flanagan to point out in 2nd row as a useful available exile (if Andrew Browne isn't re-signed for example)

connachta

I've been upset to see Tomane, Godwin and Taute recruited when I've watched Bredan Macken (doing well) with a  Championship team. He was 3rd choice with Wasps. He could easily have been 3rd choice for one of those provinces.

I don't say he could have been part of RWC 2019 or 2023, but Munster would have been better to get a NIQ back-up SH, Connacht a NIQ back-up LH and Leinster a back-up 10 (after-Sexton era anticipation). Rather than wasting a spot when a IQ decent player was there for the homecoming.

Squidgy Black

connachta wrote: »

I've been upset to see Tomane, Godwin and Taute recruited when I've watched Bredan Macken (doing well) with a  Championship team. He was 3rd choice with Wasps. He could easily have been 3rd choice for one of those provinces.

I don't say he could have been part of RWC 2019 or 2023, but Munster would have been better to get a NIQ back-up SH, Connacht a NIQ back-up LH and Leinster a back-up 10 (after-Sexton era anticipation). Rather than wasting a spot when a IQ decent player was there for the homecoming.

Macken never really took off at Leinster or Wasps. He had a trial with Leicester that never went anywhere and then signed with London Irish.

Tomane and Goodwin were both getting a number of starts in their last teams, Taute too and he was signed as injury cover and impressed to the point that he was given a full time contract.

I don't see the point in signing Macken who's had plenty of chances to win a starting spot and couldn't at Pro14 and AP level, just because he's IQ.

connachta

Of course they start some games. But they're not absolutely necessary. Macken would have been well able to do the cover job.
He's good, but was just in a too competive environement to expect those few games he could have in Ireland. The main point is IQ spots would have been better use elsewhere for the provinces as I precised..

Squidgy Black

If you look at the signings this season, Burns/Addison/Haley/Moore all IQ players, I think the IRFU are more than sufficient in signing IQ players who are worth a shot.

The players you've mentioned who Macken should've been signed instead are hands down better players.

I just don't see a point at all in signing a mediocre at best squad filler just because he's IQ.

connachta

Squidgy Black wrote: »

If you look at the signings this season, Burns/Addison/Haley/Moore all IQ players, I think the IRFU are more than sufficient in signing IQ players who are worth a shot.

The players you've mentioned who Macken should've been signed instead are hands down better players.

I just don't see a point at all in signing a mediocre at best squad filler just because he's IQ.

Disagree with last part, because of limited NIQ spots. But agree an effort was made this season