Unions warn of train strike as staff demand pay increase

gooddarts10

Talks adjourned until Monday

GM228

Hilly Bill wrote: »

More money for less hours? 😀

No extra money for less hours. They got the 1.15% specifically for past productivity, nothing else.

Hilly Bill

GM228 wrote: »

No extra money for less hours. They got the 1.15% specifically for past productivity, nothing else.

Basically got 1.15% extra for nothing according to those links on top of the extra that they got in the past.

Jamie2k9

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Basically got 1.15% extra for nothing according to those links on top of the extra that they got in the past.

Well you could look at it two ways, they got extra money because their responsibility has allegedly increased or they got extra money as a bribe to force changes.
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Can anybody clarify the SIPTU ballot is for an all out strike but media are stating members. Is that all or just drivers?
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Any info on talks progress, guess meeting for a scored time is progress.

Hilly Bill

The second one.

Creative83

Hilly Bill wrote: »

To be fair, the viaduct was collapsing as the train was going across, he didn't decide to give it a lash for the fun on it. Did you want him to stop and reverse back?

It's criminal the way Irish rail downplayed that collapse at time.

Gross negligence and incompetence led to that very serious and almost deadly incident.

The sea scouts knew more about the problem then Irish Rail! That bridge was only inspected a few weeks or months before by IR.

Did heads roll... of course not! Basket case of a company

Hilly Bill

Should have given the track walker a canoe.

Topgear on Dave

Creative83 wrote: »

It's criminal the way Irish rail downplayed that collapse at time.

If irish rail had been privatised a few years before it we would NEVER EVER have heard the end of it and the dangers of privatisation :pac:

I often think theres double standards at work sometimes.

end of the road

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

If irish rail had been privatised a few years before it we would NEVER EVER have heard the end of it and the dangers of privatisation

I often think theres double standards at work sometimes.

no double standards. ideally they would have come out at the time and criticised IE, but the fact they didn't doesn't mean they wouldn't have been correct to criticise had the railway been privatized. they would have been correct, given the happenings with rail-track over in the uk.

Infini

Creative83 wrote: »

It's criminal the way Irish rail downplayed that collapse at time.

Gross negligence and incompetence led to that very serious and almost deadly incident.

The sea scouts knew more about the problem then Irish Rail! That bridge was only inspected a few weeks or months before by IR.

Did heads roll... of course not! Basket case of a company

The only reason I say no heads rolled is because noone actually died or was injured. I would imagine it wouldve been different though if people had actually died.

Jamie2k9

Infini wrote: »

The only reason I say no heads rolled is because noone actually died or was injured. I would imagine it wouldve been different though if people had actually died.

Given the seriousness of it heads should of rolled. I am honestly not sure had there been fatalities nobody would of lost a job. When have CIE ever been accountable...

no double standards. ideally they would have come out at the time and criticised IE, but the fact they didn't doesn't mean they wouldn't have been correct to criticise had the railway been privatized. they would have been correct, given the happenings with rail-track over in the uk.

Come on had it been a private operator you can be sure those TDs against and unions would of been first to criticize. The incident was a rather "low key" event by everybody including the media. Just look how hysterical the media get in cases of Ryanair and Aer Lingus and that tells you all you need to know about private and state owned (at the time).

The second one.

Bet you wouldn't say that any mate that's a driver!

Spencer.mac

Any news on how the talks are progressing

Hilly Bill

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Given the seriousness of it heads should of rolled. I am honestly not sure had there been fatalities nobody would of lost a job. When have CIE ever been accountable...



Come on had it been a private operator you can be sure those TDs against and unions would of been first to criticize. The incident was a rather "low key" event by everybody including the media. Just look how hysterical the media get in cases of Ryanair and Aer Lingus and that tells you all you need to know about private and state owned (at the time).



Bet you wouldn't say that any mate that's a driver!

I've no mates that are drivers and my opinion would be the same regardless.

Creative83

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Given the seriousness of it heads should of rolled. I am honestly not sure had there been fatalities nobody would of lost a job. When have CIE ever been accountable...



Come on had it been a private operator you can be sure those TDs against and unions would of been first to criticize. The incident was a rather "low key" event by everybody including the media. Just look how hysterical the media get in cases of Ryanair and Aer Lingus and that tells you all you need to know about private and state owned (at the time).



Bet you wouldn't say that any mate that's a driver!

The fact that their "Engineers" can't even look after a small bridge... what about the Aqueducts :eek: Gross incompetence

Topgear on Dave

WRC are going to refer the dispute to the labour court according to Ingrid Miley.

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/963205307362168832

gooddarts10

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

WRC are going to refer the dispute to the labour court according to Ingrid Miley.

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/963205307362168832

And around we go again

fxotoole

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

WRC are going to refer the dispute to the labour court according to Ingrid Miley.

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/963205307362168832

what does 28/2 mean? 28 for, 2 against?

edit: never mind: result 28th Feb

gooddarts10

Any word on a date for the LRC yet ?

markodaly

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

WRC are going to refer the dispute to the labour court according to Ingrid Miley.

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/963205307362168832

The WRC and Labour Court have sure been kept busy by the guys in the NRBU and SIPTU.

StreetLight

markodaly wrote: »

The WRC and Labour Court have sure been kept busy by the guys in the NRBU and SIPTU.

An indication that the unions are actually making an active stand for their members? Which in itself is an indication that employment in the company concerned is not as rosy as some make it out to be.

Jamie2k9

StreetLight wrote: »

An indication that the unions are actually making an active stand for their members? Which in itself is an indication that employment in the company concerned is not as rosy as some make it out to be.

That's one view, another is gross incompetence to resolve and be proactive in changing times or looking after the minority and not the majority.

Any word on a date for the LRC yet ?

They usually take a month to 6 weeks and won't be rushed. If they issue something and drivers don't like it wonder where they will go from there!

The WRC and Labour Court have sure been kept busy by the guys in the NRBU and SIPTU.

Border line abuse of state industrial relations mechanisms

jimmycrackcorm

markodaly wrote:

The WRC and Labour Court have sure been kept busy by the guys in the NRBU and SIPTU.

Thankfully we should be seeing a figure reduction in the BE unions taking up their time now that they've lost the power to blackmail the public due to more efficient and effective private services.

end of the road

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Thankfully we should be seeing a figure reduction in the BE unions taking up their time now that they've lost the power to blackmail the public due to more efficient and effective private services.

we will be seeing no figure reduction in the BE unions taking up their time, as they rarely took up their time anyway. they haven't lost the power to strike as the private operators only exist on a small few routes and aren't anywhere near effective as is made out due to their limited availability due to being commercial, profit making companies.

Night Falls

end of the road wrote: »

we will be seeing no figure reduction in the BE unions taking up their time, as they rarely took up their time anyway. they haven't lost the power to strike as the private operators only exist on a small few routes and aren't anywhere near effective as is made out due to their limited availability due to being commercial, profit making companies.

Have you any evidence of that last claim?

end of the road

Night Falls wrote: »

Have you any evidence of that last claim?

it's very obvious that if alternative operators operate fewer routes then bus eireann, then should bus eireann go out on strike then the other operator's effectiveness in being able to deal with the loss of services will be less due to their limited availability compared to bus eireann.

horseburger

end of the road wrote: »

it's very obvious that if alternative operators operate fewer routes then bus eireann, then should bus eireann go out on strike then the other operator's effectiveness in being able to deal with the loss of services will be less due to their limited availability compared to bus eireann.

I guess, an example of what you are saying, is when during the strike that occurred last April, that there was no other company operating a service, connecting the towns that are served on the Bus Éireann number 30, Dublin Donegal Town service. There was no other bus or rail service connecting Donegal Town, Ballyshannon, Cavan, Virginia and Dublin Airport and Dublin City Centre.

There have been changes to the Donegal Town Dublin number 30 service since 11th February. There are two more services operating during the night from Donegal Town to Dublin, at 2.30am and 4am, as well as 1am and 5.30am.

There are now services from Dublin at 11pm and 12.30am to Donegal Town.

The 2.30am and 5.30am services cover Bellanaleck, Derrylin, Belturbet and Butlersbridge. There is no other company operating at that time of night, to and from Dublin and Donegal Town.

There are also number 30 bus services, covering Bellanaleck, Derrylin, Belturbet and Butlersbridge, throughout the day, to and from Dublin and Donegal Town.

http://buseireann.ie/news.php?id=2591&month=Feb

http://www.buseireann.ie/timetables/1517307968-30.pdf

Perhaps, another example of what you are saying, is the difference in the timetables between the services operated between Bus Éireann and McGinley's Coaches, on their services between Letterkenny and Dublin.

Bus Éireann operates more daily services, to and from Dublin and Letterkenny, compared to McGinley's.

Bus Éireann operates a last service, in both directions, later than the last services operated in both directions by McGinley's Coaches.

McGinley's last service from Dublin, Monday to Friday is 7.30pm, on Saturday 5.45pm and Sunday 8.30pm.

McGinley's last service from Letterkenny to Dublin Monday to Saturday is 5.15pm, and on Sunday its last service from Letterkenny is 6.30pm.

The last Bus Éireann number 32 daily service from Letterkenny to Dublin is 7.45pm, and the last service from Dublin to Letterkenny is 10.45pm.

http://www.buseireann.ie/timetables/1478276752-32.pdf

http://www.johnmcginley.com/timetable.html#

http://www.johnmcginley.com/_route_a.html

http://www.johnmcginley.com/_route_b.html

markodaly

StreetLight wrote: »

An indication that the unions are actually making an active stand for their members? Which in itself is an indication that employment in the company concerned is not as rosy as some make it out to be.

If it is all that bad, like some Dickinson novel you can always move to another job.

end of the road

markodaly wrote: »

If it is all that bad, like some Dickinson novel you can always move to another job.

you could, but you could also improve the terms and conditions of the job you are in, for the future betterment of yourself and future workers. moving jobs isn't always financially viable, or even desirable.

markodaly

end of the road wrote: »

you could, but you could also improve the terms and conditions of the job you are in, for the future betterment of yourself and future workers. moving jobs isn't always financially viable, or even desirable.

Yes, you could do that. You could also train new drivers to help with the work load, no?

end of the road

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, you could do that. You could also train new drivers to help with the work load, no?

well i won't be training any drivers given i don't work for IE