Eirgrid figures during night time EV charging

unkel

It does

So over the past month we've had 68% gas, 17% wind and 6% coal. That's 91%. I guess hydro is about 3%, we have 0% solar and the other 6% is imported and / or peat?

Glad coal has gone down to near zero, but those figures are pretty shameful for a first world country in 2018...

Scotland plans to go 100% renewable electricity in 2020 (they won't make it, but at least they are seriously trying, unlike ourselves)

KCross

unkel wrote: »

So over the past month we've had 68% gas, 17% wind and 6% coal. That's 91%. I guess hydro is about 3%, we have 0% solar and the other 6% is imported and / or peat?

They break it out into Coal, Gas, Imports, Renewables and "Other".

I don't have a breakdown of the "Other". I presume its things like Biomass.

Coal, Gas and renewables always make up the vast vast majority of the generation.

Calahonda52

Are we sure the drop in coal is not planned maintenance?

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Are we sure the drop in coal is not planned maintenance?

Not sure at all. I have no explanation for the drop in Coal. 4 months seems like a lot of maintenance though?

KCross

Update to OP

% Wind vs Demand from 4-8am

Date|% Wind(4am-8am)|Low|High|gCO2/kW(4am-8am)|Low|High|Total Wind %(24hr)|Total Coal %(24hr)|Total Gas %(24hr)
28/7-26/8 2017|28|0|58|365|288|433|24
25/8-23/9|26|1|67|375|259|458|24
23/9-22/10|36|1|62|305|210|429|34
22/10-19/11|29|1|62|334|225|421|23
20/11-18/12|38|5|68|347|224|463|30|16|39
19/12-17/1 2018|46|3|75|331|209|472|39|13|35
17/1-15/2|50|4|75|295|215|500|42|12|33
15/2-16/3|35|1|71|371|215|522|33|20|39
16/3-14/4|29|0|71|373|211|513|26|17|43
14/4-13/5|32|2|82|291|247|336|32|9|45
13/5-11/6|14|1|62||||13|7|66
11/6-10/7|19|1|75||||18|8|65
10/7-8/8|18|1|67|316|212|372|17|6|68
8/8-5/9|30|1|73|319|224|447|26|6|59


Coal remaining low at 6%. Wind is up 10% so it appears gas goes down by a corresponding 10%.
I dont know why the corresponding gCO2 doesn't come down when renewables is up.

KCross

Update to OP

% Wind vs Demand from 4-8am

Date|% Wind(4am-8am)|Low|High|gCO2/kW(4am-8am)|Low|High|Total Wind %(24hr)|Total Coal %(24hr)|Total Gas %(24hr)
28/7-26/8 2017|28|0|58|365|288|433|24
25/8-23/9|26|1|67|375|259|458|24
23/9-22/10|36|1|62|305|210|429|34
22/10-19/11|29|1|62|334|225|421|23
20/11-18/12|38|5|68|347|224|463|30|16|39
19/12-17/1 2018|46|3|75|331|209|472|39|13|35
17/1-15/2|50|4|75|295|215|500|42|12|33
15/2-16/3|35|1|71|371|215|522|33|20|39
16/3-14/4|29|0|71|373|211|513|26|17|43
14/4-13/5|32|2|82|291|247|336|32|9|45
13/5-11/6|14|1|62||||13|7|66
11/6-10/7|19|1|75||||18|8|65
10/7-8/8|18|1|67|316|212|372|17|6|68
8/8-5/9|30|1|73|319|224|447|26|6|59
6/9-5/10|34|5|74|332|208|440|32|5|49

denismc

KCross wrote: »

Update to OP

% Wind vs Demand from 4-8am

Date|% Wind(4am-8am)|Low|High|gCO2/kW(4am-8am)|Low|High|Total Wind %(24hr)|Total Coal %(24hr)|Total Gas %(24hr)
28/7-26/8 2017|28|0|58|365|288|433|24
25/8-23/9|26|1|67|375|259|458|24
23/9-22/10|36|1|62|305|210|429|34
22/10-19/11|29|1|62|334|225|421|23
20/11-18/12|38|5|68|347|224|463|30|16|39
19/12-17/1 2018|46|3|75|331|209|472|39|13|35
17/1-15/2|50|4|75|295|215|500|42|12|33
15/2-16/3|35|1|71|371|215|522|33|20|39
16/3-14/4|29|0|71|373|211|513|26|17|43
14/4-13/5|32|2|82|291|247|336|32|9|45
13/5-11/6|14|1|62||||13|7|66
11/6-10/7|19|1|75||||18|8|65
10/7-8/8|18|1|67|316|212|372|17|6|68
8/8-5/9|30|1|73|319|224|447|26|6|59
6/9-5/10|34|5|74|332|208|440|32|5|49

I was looking at the wind production figures during the recent storm and wind generation dropped off significantly during the storm, I presume this is a safety issue as the turbines can't handle very high winds so they shut down.

It's a pity, I would love to see what the turbines could generate if there weren't any technology constraints.

n97 mini

denismc wrote: »

I was looking at the wind production figures during the recent storm and wind generation dropped off significantly during the storm, I presume this is a safety issue as the turbines can't handle very high winds so they shut down.

It's a pity, I would love to see what the turbines could generate if there weren't any technology constraints.

Same here. I think this map shows which turbines have their blades feathered and which are in production.

http://maps.seai.ie/wind/

I could be wrong but I assume "Energised" means in production, and "Connected" means feathered.

antoinolachtnai

n97 mini wrote: »

Same here. I think this map shows which turbines have their blades feathered and which are in production.

http://maps.seai.ie/wind/

I could be wrong but I assume "Energised" means in production, and "Connected" means feathered.

I yhink you might be wrong. The ones on TSO seem to be marked connected and the DSO-connected farms are marked ‘energised’.

antoinolachtnai

This report will show you wind generators have been instructed to cut production I think.

http://sem-o.com/market-data/dynamic-reports/#BM-037

This link gives you an idea of what the various messages mean.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=2ahUKEwj8yJrqgojeAhUkIMAKHddXDZEQFjADegQIBBAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sem-o.com%2Fdocuments%2Fmarket-modifications%2FMOD_15_18%2FMod_15_18Proposal.docx&usg=AOvVaw3Mk42qnFP2lAe9v-Cax8EW

antoinolachtnai

This report will show you wind generators have been instructed to cut production I think.

http://sem-o.com/market-data/dynamic-reports/#BM-037

This link gives you an idea of what the various messages mean.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=2ahUKEwj8yJrqgojeAhUkIMAKHddXDZEQFjADegQIBBAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sem-o.com%2Fdocuments%2Fmarket-modifications%2FMOD_15_18%2FMod_15_18Proposal.docx&usg=AOvVaw3Mk42qnFP2lAe9v-Cax8EW

KCross

Update to OP

% Wind vs Demand from 4-8am

Date|% Wind(4am-8am)|Low|High|gCO2/kW(4am-8am)|Low|High|Total Wind %(24hr)|Total Coal %(24hr)|Total Gas %(24hr)
28/7-26/8 2017|28|0|58|365|288|433|24
25/8-23/9|26|1|67|375|259|458|24
23/9-22/10|36|1|62|305|210|429|34
22/10-19/11|29|1|62|334|225|421|23
20/11-18/12|38|5|68|347|224|463|30|16|39
19/12-17/1 2018|46|3|75|331|209|472|39|13|35
17/1-15/2|50|4|75|295|215|500|42|12|33
15/2-16/3|35|1|71|371|215|522|33|20|39
16/3-14/4|29|0|71|373|211|513|26|17|43
14/4-13/5|32|2|82|291|247|336|32|9|45
13/5-11/6|14|1|62||||13|7|66
11/6-10/7|19|1|75||||18|8|65
10/7-8/8|18|1|67|316|212|372|17|6|68
8/8-5/9|30|1|73|319|224|447|26|6|59
6/9-5/10|34|5|74|332|208|440|32|5|49
5/10-3/11|37|1|76|323|204|437|32|0|52


Coal has gone to 0%!!

unkel

That's fantastic. We've all seen it go down to very low levels this year and now it looks like it is discontinued altogether. The only coal power station is Moneypoint, right? Is that shut down now or are they using different fuel?

What I don't understand is, who made the decision to stop burning coal and why is no one taking credit for it?

Renewables (wind) are at 60% right now. Which is awesome on a Saturday night in November before most people have gone to bed.

Round Cable

unkel wrote: »

That's fantastic. We've all seen it go down to very low levels this year and now it looks like it is discontinued altogether. The only coal power station is Moneypoint, right? Is that shut down now or are they using different fuel?

What I don't understand is, who made the decision to stop burning coal and why is no one taking credit for it?

Renewables (wind) are at 60% right now. Which is awesome on a Saturday night in November before most people have gone to bed.

Could be down for maintenance, or maybe the figures are not being reported to the eirgrid website.

Water John

Moneypoint is 300Mw x3. Their status I would not know. Pricing and carbon may be dictating that they are out of production. These fires need a few days to fire up. In the past would have run as base load.

unkel

That wouldn't make sense. The figure for coal (as you can see from the table KCross posted) has been steadily going down for a year now (despite what looks like a wee boost during the very cold spell in February). And it's zero now.

unkel

Quick google: The ESB has written off the value of Moneypoint down to zero earlier this year. It is now officially worthless!

Linky


Looks like they have closed the place down now. Good riddance. Two billion kg of filthy coal was burnt there every year. What is fairly sickening is that the guts of a billion euro was spent on it in the 80s, when we all knew already that coal was filthy. How the hell did that cost a billion in the 80s anyway? Should have built a gas plant at that time.

Johnboy1951

I thought they were to convert Moneypoint to gas ......

KCross

I was under the impression that 2025 was the decommissioning target date. Either they brought that forward or it is in maintenance. Hopefully the former!!

Charles Babbage

KCross wrote: »

Update to OP
Coal has gone to 0%!!

That's gas, altogether.

Water John

Don't know if it is closed. The figures are about active production. Is spinning reserve in those figures? Maybe not since technically it isn't electricity that is used, variable RE having priority.
One of the stacks would equate to less than 10% on national daily use.

KCross

Water John wrote: »

Don't know if it is closed. The figures are about active production. Is spinning reserve in those figures? Maybe not since technically it isn't electricity that is used, variable RE having priority.
One of the stacks would equate to less than 10% on national daily use.

The figure includes generation and demand.

It’s been steadily declining so it is included.

Maybe they’re just cleaning out the fire grate before they fire it up again for the winter!!!

unkel

Water John wrote: »

One of the stacks would equate to less than 10% on national daily use.

It was nearly 40% at some point!

The figures that it hasn't used coal for a month say it all really. It must be closed down. The reason we haven't heard anything about it on the news (job losses, etc) probably is that the ESB look after their staff very well. Very, very, very well. With our tax payers money. Must be a lovely feeling playing Santa Claus with other peoples money.

_dof_

Still running it seems, just about.
Today's average fuel mix is 3.92% coal, with an average for 4.68% for the week

KCross

_dof_ wrote: »

Still running it seems, just about.
Today's average fuel mix is 3.92% coal, with an average for 4.68% for the week

You’re looking at “all island”. My figures are for the republic only and that’s zero.

_dof_

KCross wrote: »

You’re looking at “all island”. My figures are for the republic only and that’s zero.

Very true.

unkel

That's Kilroot in the North. Its owner has already applied to shut it down.

tabby aspreme

Here's an article about Moneypoint, that is pretty damming,
tried to link a recent article from the Guardian titled Blood Coal

unkel

Here is the link you were trying to post:

Linky

It's a disgrace we are (were?) still burning coal for electricity production in 2018. And coal for sale for people to burn in fireplaces / stoves should attract massive excise duties.

redlead

unkel wrote: »

Here is the link you were trying to post:

Linky

It's a disgrace we are (were?) still burning coal for electricity production in 2018. And coal for sale for people to burn in fireplaces / stoves should attract massive excise duties.

I agree on electricity production but not on stoves. The problem with a lot of green leaning policies as well intedended as they are is that they are very centred on urban living. A huge part of Ireland isn't connected to gas mains and oil is expensive for low income rural families. Stoves in rural areas is mickey mouse when it comes to environment impact. We need to have viable alternatives to things before trying to force change. Its like the government increasing VRT on diesel "to encourage the uptake of electric vehicles" that don't exist, can't be bought or don't have the range to replace diesels.

One of the biggest problems with Ireland is the lack of big thinking when it comes to these things. Stopping lads cuting peat or banning / restricting coal for domestic use is what we come up with. Even at an EU level, we should be heavily incentivising the production of EVs for the big motor companies as opposed to giving the consumer the incentives. They need to pull the finger out at this stage.

Large-scale onshore wind farms is what we should be concentrating on but our planning laws will never allow it. Our reliance on coal is shocking. We never seem to have any sort of plan, we just stumble into things.