The biggest stumbling block for EV uptake

ELM327

BoatMad wrote: »

in most BEVs today 30 mins at an FCP will give you over 100km, (and for many 200 km) you do all your shopping by driving 200Km away !!!!!

30 minutes at an FCP gives me generally 75-95km depending. 24kWh leaf.
I was assuming 30 minutes of an aggregation, due to possibility of queuing etc.

BoatMad

ELM327 wrote: »

30 minutes at an FCP gives me generally 75-95km depending. 24kWh leaf.
I was assuming 30 minutes of an aggregation, due to possibility of queuing etc.

yes but I am asking you to look a few years down the road

after all today , most shopping centre dont having any charging facilities

BoatMad

ELM327 wrote: »

Perhaps - thinking outside the box - you've just driven to and from work, and realised that you dont have enough charge to make it back after driving into town for shopping and you must stop on the way home.

The SCP fixes that.

But - as I said above - generally it's not a "need" like an FCP is, it's a niceto have, like a free wifi

free wifi is a few hundred euros to a shop , yet my local aldi or Lidl doesnt have any , nor does my dunnes , my local tesco has a poor version

so given AC or medium power DC is far more expensive to install especially given the site works and MV power demands , I cant see too many providing such chargers ( other then a token one to be seen to be " green " )

ELM327

BoatMad wrote: »

yes but I am asking you to look a few years down the road

after all today , most shopping centre dont having any charging facilities

So are you saying that, in a few years down the road, shopping centres (Here I'm talking massive shopping centres like Blanch, Liffey Valley, Dundrum ETC) will have no charging at all?

BoatMad wrote: »

free wifi is a few hundred euros to a shop , yet my local aldi or Lidl doesnt have any , nor does my dunnes , my local tesco has a poor version

so given AC or medium power DC is far more expensive to install especially given the site works and MV power demands , I cant see too many providing such chargers ( other then a token one to be seen to be " green " )

Given the recent uptake in large companies installing 22kW AC chargers at workplaces, especially in the tech sector, for that particular reason - token green - I don't see why not.

Sleeper12

Does a know how much it costs perfect 100 miles on the night rate to charge their car?
It's costs me 7 euro per 100 miles on my diesel van.
I'm curious as to what the savings would be

KCross

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Does a know how much it costs perfect 100 miles on the night rate to charge their car?
It's costs me 7 euro per 100 miles on my diesel van.
I'm curious as to what the savings would be

miles or km's?

€7 for 100 miles sounds very good... too good in fact.

Thats 3.3ltrs/100km --> 85mpg!!!!

What van are you driving?


On the EV side, it depends on what car you have and what speed you drive at as to what it costs to do 100km.
Ballpark figures to give you an idea.... 16kWh/100km and electricity at night rate is about 7c/kWh so about €1.12. Thats highly variable depending on speed, car, daytime charging etc which is more expensive, but is close enough to the mark for most people in an EV.

jeremy_g

Considering that 100 miles is (roughly) 160 Km and I can do easily 250 Km per 28kW, simple maths say it would be 18kW for the said 100 miles. let's assume 15 cents per kWh would sum up to €2.7

Sleeper12

KCross wrote: »

miles or km's?

€7 for 100 miles sounds very good... too good in fact.

Thats 3.3ltrs/100km --> 85mpg!!!!

What van are you driving?

It's actually about €8.5 per 100 miles but I claim 23% vat back. Obviously when Diesel goes up in price I'll be paying more where electricity doesn't increase as much.

Considering that 100 miles is (roughly) 160 Km and I can do easily 250 Km per 28kW, simple maths say it would be 18kW for the said 100 miles. let's assume 15 cents per kWh would sum up to €2.7

That's a €4 /€5 euro savings. Nice.
Bought a new van this year so hoping by the time I replace it there will be small vans capable of longish trips. I also like AC all day in summer & heat all day in winter

pwurple

jeremy_g wrote: »

Considering that 100 miles is (roughly) 160 Km and I can do easily 250 Km per 28kW, simple maths say it would be 18kW for the said 100 miles. let's assume 15 cents per kWh would sum up to €2.7

Night rate is more like 7cents per kWh.

I don't know what you are driving, but my 24kw leaf can do around 120km... so more like 30KW for the 100 miles.

Still comes out around the 2 euro mark on night rate though.

KCross

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's actually about €8.5 per 100 miles but I claim 23% vat back. Obviously when Diesel goes up in price I'll be paying more where electricity doesn't increase as much.

Thats still about 67mpg! Excellent figure for a van. Im still interested in what van you drive?!

Sleeper12 wrote: »

That's a €4 /€5 euro savings. Nice.
Bought a new van this year so hoping by the time I replace it there will be small vans capable of longish trips. I also like AC all day in summer & heat all day in winter

Based on your 67mpg figure it is costing you €5.31/100km. A typical EV would cost €1.12/100km. So, as you said, a saving of €4+/100km depending on speed, weather, night rate charging etc.

Sleeper12

KCross wrote: »

Thats still about 67mpg! Excellent figure for a van. Im still interested in what van you drive?!

Ford connect 1.5L It looks like a Postman Pat type of van. Really great mileage. I can do even better on a country run. I had a 2.8L Jeep Cherokee & it was costing €16/€18 per 100 miles

unkel

pwurple wrote: »

I don't know what you are driving, but my 24kw leaf can do around 120km... so more like 30KW for the 100 miles.

Ioniq

Many owners report to average about 250km on a full charge of 28kWh, so 100 miles would take about 18kWh at 6.65c night rate that would be about €1.30 taking into account 10% charging loss

So extremely frugal van after VAT claim back: €7
EV €1.30

And of course the EV driver could charge at public chargers for free if he was really trying to maximise his savings

Sleeper12

unkel wrote:

So extremely frugal van after VAT claim back: €7 EV €1.30

Diesel is 1.18 today. It could easily be back at 1.50 or higher within months. There's big savings to be made alright. Hopefully there will be a suitable van in the next 3 years or so.
Sorry for taking thread off topic

KCross

Just to clarify the EV figures are for EV cars, not vans so it's unknown what a fully laden EV van would return but it should still beat the ICE equivalent by a long way.

unkel

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Diesel is 1.18 today. It could easily be back at 1.50 or higher within months. There's big savings to be made alright. Hopefully there will be a suitable van in the next 3 years or so.

Indeed. And the VAT claim on diesel only (not on petrol, not on electricity, not on LPG, not on CNG, not on hydrogen) would be the first thing I would scrap in next months budget if I were the minister. Jump the sinking ship

There are EV vans, the Nissan eNV200 doesn't have a great range now, but will get a much bigger battery soon. But you're right, there isn't a huge choice of types of EV around at the moment.

BoatMad

pwurple wrote: »

Night rate is more like 7cents per kWh.

I don't know what you are driving, but my 24kw leaf can do around 120km... so more like 30KW for the 100 miles.

Still comes out around the 2 euro mark on night rate though.

I am currently getting 14.4 Kw/100km

my night rate is 6,35 cents from energia ( current cheapest )

100 miles ( not miles ) is costing me 100.08 cents , in effect a euro