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US Navy crash off Singapore leaves 10 Missing

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    #32
    Gringo180
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    Not to derail the thread but Israel knowingly opened fire on a US warship which included napalm attacks, killing 34 servicemen and injuring 171. McCain oversaw an inquiry and alongside the then president Lyndon Johnson somehow came to the conclusion it was an accident.


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    #33
    Skylinehead
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    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Not to derail the thread but Israel knowingly opened fire on a US warship which included napalm attacks, killing 34 servicemen and injuring 171. McCain oversaw an inquiry and alongside the then president Lyndon Johnson somehow came to the conclusion it was an accident.

    "It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation"

    Right, so it doesn't say that. And next post, please provide proof that whatever you think McCain Sir did constitutes treason.


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    #34
    Gringo180
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    "It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation"

    Right, so it doesn't say that. And next post, please provide proof that whatever you think McCain Sir did constitutes treason.

    When you put another nations interest ahead of your own your a traitor.


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    #35
    Your Face
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    This was obviously aliens.


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    #36
    Wossack
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    Your Face wrote: »
    This was obviously aliens.

    illegals?


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    #37
    Your Face
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    Wossack wrote: »
    illegals?

    Go on...


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    #38
    Wossack
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    Your Face wrote: »
    Go on...

    build a wall!

    /edit in the case of sky aliens, we might need a ceiling too


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    #39
    Your Face
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    Wossack wrote: »
    build a wall!

    /edit in the case of sky aliens, we might need a ceiling too

    Woohoo! Here we go.


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    #40
    Skylinehead
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    Gringo180 wrote: »
    When you put another nations interest ahead of your own your a traitor.
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    Yeah, no. Treason has a specific meaning, you can't just make it up. Whoever is Americas enemy is for the government of America to decide, not you.


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    #41
    Gringo180
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Yeah, no. Treason has a specific meaning, you can't just make it up. Whoever is Americas enemy is for the government of America to decide, not you.

    If somebody knowingly attacked you would you call them an enemy or a friend?


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    #42
    Skylinehead
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    Gringo180 wrote: »
    If somebody knowingly attacked you would you call them an enemy or a friend?
    Mmm, usually, I would agree, but Israel and America is a little bit more complex than that. Again, the US government called them allies, so there's not much to discuss. I won't defend Israel here btw, that incident was f'ed up.


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    #43
    Beta Ray Bill
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    So news broke there last week that the USS John S McCain was involved in a collision with a merchant ship. 10 Sailors have are missing.

    This is the 4th incident this year (According to RTE news) involving the US Navy ships colliding with Civilian shipping traffic.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0823/899390-us-navy/

    USS Fitzgerald, almost sank off the coast of Japan after colliding with a Philippine container ship on 17 June
    USS Antietam ran aground near Yosuka, Japan
    USS Champlain collided with a South Korean fishing vessel in May

    And now the US Navy have relieved the Admiral in charge of the 7th Fleet. (Joseph Aucoin)

    The US claim they are "helping to protect freedom of navigation" in the Area.

    However to me it looks more like that US is bullying/harassing Civilian traffic in the area.
    OR
    Something else it going on, It's to coincidental.

    This isn't happening anywhere else in the world, so why is it happening here all of a sudden?
    Is this to do with NK or China's claim on the entire South China Sea?


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    #44
    Hande hoche!
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    Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.


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    #45
    ThisRegard
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    Where does propaganda come into all this?


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    #46
    Are Am Eye
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    Probably statistics more so than coincidence.
    Higher traffic of US naval vessels in sector = higher probability of collisions.


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    #47
    Beta Ray Bill
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Where does propaganda come into all this?

    This are being claimed as accidents, which I don't think is correct.

    I think something else is as play here.

    We aren't hearing any of the Chinese Propaganda about this.
    Normally they'd be up in Arms about this (Given it was the 4th Collision) but nothing... not a peep!

    Don't you think that's unusual?


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    #48
    Beta Ray Bill
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    Probably statistics more so than coincidence.
    Higher traffic of US naval vessels in sector = higher probability of collisions.

    Agreed

    Bit the South China Sea is one of the busiest shipping areas in the world.
    Why is no one else colliding?


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    #49
    MarkR
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    Already a thread on this incident.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104442973


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    #50
    somesoldiers
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    Was Albert Gladstone Trotter on watch....that explains it
    "Not only have you managed to sink every battleship and aircraft carrier that you've ever sailed on, but now you've gone and knackered a gravy boat!"


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    #51
    Cienciano
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    Trumps statement: "I only like ships that don't collide"


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    #52
    Alun
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    In contrast to commercial tankers, naval ships aren't usually short on power and are quite manoeuvrable, even the larger ones, so I'd have thought even if the other ship was playing silly buggers taking evasive action wouldn't be too difficult. Assuming everyone's doing their job properly, of course.


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    #53
    VinLieger
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    Read a thread on reddit when the most recent one happened the other day, by all accounts the 7th Fleet which is the one operating in this part of Asia and the one all these ships are a part of is in an absolute shambles operationally and morale wise.


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    #54
    Kimbot
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    MOD Threads merged.


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    #55
    Are Am Eye
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    grahambo wrote: »
    Agreed

    Bit the South China Sea is one of the busiest shipping areas in the world.
    Why is no one else colliding?

    Well if it is true indeed that no one else is then the questions are valid.
    But I haven't seen that data.

    What advantage do they get from damaging their own vessels?


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    #56
    mikhail
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    grahambo wrote: »
    We aren't hearing any of the Chinese Propaganda about this.
    They reported it very straight. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2017-08/21/content_30897301.htm


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    #57
    ohnonotgmail
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    the commander of the US 7th fleet has been dismissed. Not really a shock.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41020729


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    #58
    Gatling
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    grahambo wrote: »
    This are being claimed as accidents, which I don't think is correct.

    I think something else is as play here.

    Like what exactly ,

    If there not accidents what are they
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    #59
    The_Valeyard
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    This seems to happen often enough.

    Didnt a Russian surveillance ship crash into a sheep transport vessel a couple of months ago?


    Then again, whats that old phrase?

    one's an incident,
    two's a coincidence,
    three's a pattern,
    Four is enemy action


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    #60
    Beta Ray Bill
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Like what exactly ,

    If there not accidents what are they

    I don't have the answer to that.
    Only that it is exceptionally unusual for the 4 accidents to occur in such a short space of time in just one area.
    And also, at I time when tensions are high in the Area.

    The Fitzgerald was almost lost, the US hasn't lost a a ship at sea in very long time.

    I'm not suggesting something like "Tomorrow Never Dies/HMS Devonshire" is at play, but these ships are fitted with GPS, Radar, Sonar, etc. The Warships are fast and maneuverable. And the Sea is a big place, It just seems very suspicious to me.


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    #61
    ohnonotgmail
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    grahambo wrote: »
    I don't have the answer to that.
    Only that it is exceptionally unusual for the 4 accidents to occur in such a short space of time in just one area.
    And also, at I time when tensions are high in the Area.

    The Fitzgerald was almost lost, the US hasn't lost a a ship at sea in very long time.

    I'm not suggesting something like "Tomorrow Never Dies/HMS Devonshire" is at play, but these ships are fitted with GPS, Radar, Sonar, etc. The Warships are fast and maneuverable. And the Sea is a big place, It just seems very suspicious to me.


    Well that one area is the pacific. there is a thousand miles separating the latest incident from the fitzgerald incident.


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