US Navy crash off Singapore leaves 10 Missing

old_aussie

Seems to be a bad year for US navy ships.

Hope the crew are ok.

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/defence/us-navy-crash-off-singapore-leaves-10-missing-20170821-gy10yc

How is the merchant vessel?

Also that link is behind a paywall.

Borderfox

"it came from a funny angle"

Gatling

That's a bit mad actually 2 vessels in a few weeks badly damaged ,

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

That's a bit mad actually 2 vessels in a few weeks badly damaged ,

i was thinking that myself. After the news in the last few days that the CO, XO and senior enlisted man on the Fitzgerald have had their careers ended you would think captains would be a bit more vigilant.

SEPT 23 1989

how did they not see an oil tanker?

Wossack

Deleted User wrote: »

How is the merchant vessel?

Also that link is behind a paywall.

CNN link:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/us-navy-destroyer-collision-singapore/index.html

some sort of offical post about it:
http://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/Display/Article/1283836/uss-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-ship-near-strait-of-malacca/

MarkR

Francona said no matter what the tanker did, the faster, more-nimble US destroyer should have been able to avoid a collision.
"How does a state-of-the-art Navy destroyer equipped with multiple radar systems and communications gear with a full bridge watch not see, detect and evade a 30,000 ton slow-moving (10 knots) behemoth?" Francona asked.

Says it all really.

Sad (probable) loss of life.

ED E

The other branches like to slag the navy, maybe they have a point...

LordSutch

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

how did they not see an oil tanker?

No automatic proximity alert, no radar? :cool:

ISIS will be watching this closely.

BillyBobBS

Seems very strange this is the second within a short space of time. I wonder if we are getting the full details?

Wossack

Photo of damage:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHt6ncNUQAApU1f.jpg

ohnonotgmail

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Seems very strange this is the second within a short space of time. I wonder if we are getting the full details?

It is the 4th this year.There was a ship struck by a south korean fishing boat and another ship ran aground entering a harbour in japan.

stevedublin

Could this be responsible?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531394-300-ships-fooled-in-gps-spoofing-attack-suggest-russian-cyberweapon/

BillyBobBS

stevedublin wrote: »

Could this be responsible?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531394-300-ships-fooled-in-gps-spoofing-attack-suggest-russian-cyberweapon/

With the American's wanting to blame anything and everything on the Russian's it's hard to tell. Could be just tin foil hat nonsense.

Gringo180

Jaysus they have a war ship named after one of the biggest traitors in American history.

Hopefully the missing sailors are found safe and sound although it doesnt sound too good.

Fiery mutant

stevedublin wrote: »

Could this be responsible?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23531394-300-ships-fooled-in-gps-spoofing-attack-suggest-russian-cyberweapon/

That thought entered my head too. But in such a congested shipping lane, would it not have affected more ships? It would have to be targeted to affect just one or two ships, and would the jamming device not have to be located near where the incident occurred.

Either way it very odd how 2 US Navy vessels collide with 2 tankers within a short space of time. I did see in a CNN article this morning where someone reported that the ships steering stopped working for a time before the crash.

ohnonotgmail

Fiery mutant wrote: »

That thought entered my head too. But in such a congested shipping lane, would it not have affected more ships? It would have to be targeted to affect just one or two ships, and would the jamming device not have to be located near where the incident occurred.

Either way it very odd how 2 US Navy vessels collide with 2 tankers within a short space of time. I did see in a CNN article this morning where someone reported that the ships steering stopped working for a time before the crash.

They dont rely on GPS to avoid collisions with other ships.

Fiery mutant

I can understand that. But it wouldn't necessarily have to be a GPS jammer or spoofer. Could be something else. Would it even be possible to hack into a ships systems?

ohnonotgmail

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I can understand that. But it wouldn't necessarily have to be a GPS jammer or spoofer. Could be something else. Would it even be possible to hack into a ships systems?

the new scientist article specifically referred to gps spoofing so i was responding to that. Not sure how the russians could hack the Mark 1 Eyeball.

BillyBobBS

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I can understand that. But it wouldn't necessarily have to be a GPS jammer or spoofer. Could be something else. Would it even be possible to hack into a ships systems?

Interesting alright. You'd imagine these ships have someone on the bridge 24/7 keeping an eye out.

Skylinehead

Gringo180 wrote: »

Jaysus they have a war ship named after one of the biggest traitors in American history.

Elaborate?

Gringo180

Skylinehead wrote: »

Elaborate?

Basically swept the Israeli attack on the US Liberty under the carpet.

MarkR

Gringo180 wrote: »

Basically swept the Israeli attack on the US Liberty under the carpet.

That's not really elaborating. Are you on about John McCain?

Skylinehead

Gringo180 wrote: »

Basically swept the Israeli attack on the US Liberty under the carpet.

That's a bit vague. All I see that he did was convene a Court of Inquiry, which isn't exactly hiding the fact? Also, how is that treason?

You should ask Americans if they consider the McCains (the ship is also named after his father) traitors. I don't think your view will be very well received.

MarkR

Pfft. Didn't even make the top 10.

http://listverse.com/2010/07/04/top-10-traitors-in-us-history/

Zebra3

Skylinehead wrote: »

That's a bit vague. All I see that he did was convene a Court of Inquiry, which isn't exactly hiding the fact? Also, how is that treason?

You should ask Americans if they consider the McCains (the ship is also named after his father) traitors. I don't think your view will be very well received.

Probably because very few of them know about Israel's attack on US forces.

Thats the difference in a free media and an impartial media.

Gatling

Zebra3 wrote: »

Thats the difference in a free media and an impartial media.

Here we go again ..

Zebra3

Gatling wrote: »

Here we go again ..

Fascinating insight. :rolleyes:

Gatling

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I can understand that. But it wouldn't necessarily have to be a GPS jammer or spoofer. Could be something else. Would it even be possible to hack into a ships systems?

It's quite possible .

But you can't spoof human eyes and ears there should have been multiple watch outs on duty ,as well as the bridge fully manned

ohnonotgmail

Zebra3 wrote: »

Probably because very few of them know about Israel's attack on US forces.

Thats the difference in a free media and an impartial media.

but yet somehow you know about it. They're not doing a very good job of hiding it are they?