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Right-wing vs. Left-wing Clashes [MOD NOTE POST #1]

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    #1172
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,238 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Missing the forest for the trees, here.

    It doesn't matter if ESPN suggested it, ESPN just asked about it, or Mr Lee felt he would be more comfortable. The fact that the question is being brought up by anyone at all is an indicator as to just how stupid the whole thing has gotten. It should not be an issue for concern. By anyone.

    "But on the other hand—grow the hell up. The man’s name is his name. Adults can distinguish the difference between a sportscaster named “Robert Lee” and a statue of a long-dead Confederate general. (Hell, I live in Atlanta, and we don’t run anyone named “Sherman” out of town with torches.)"
    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-removes-announcer-robert-lee-virginia-game-nobody-looks-good-122026966.html


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    #1173
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Missing the forest for the trees, here.

    It doesn't matter if ESPN suggested it, ESPN just asked about it, or Mr Lee felt he would be more comfortable. The fact that the question is being brought up by anyone at all is an indicator as to just how stupid the whole thing has gotten. It should not be an issue for concern. By anyone.

    "But on the other hand—grow the hell up. The man’s name is his name. Adults can distinguish the difference between a sportscaster named “Robert Lee” and a statue of a long-dead Confederate general. (Hell, I live in Atlanta, and we don’t run anyone named “Sherman” out of town with torches.)"
    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-removes-announcer-robert-lee-virginia-game-nobody-looks-good-122026966.html

    Your president makes whole speeches about how the media are "mean" to him and tweets gossip about celebrities. The dumbing down is coming from the top.


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    #1174
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    manual_man wrote: »
    Oh god, no. Not a meme!
    Billy86 wrote: »
    How dare ESPN look to protect their own staff and give them choices at the same time, how f***ing dare they!!

    Mod note:

    How very good of you both to test the waters and see if I would follow through with what I said in the mod warnings.

    Banned for two days.

    Please don't reply to either of these posters until 8pm 25th August.


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    #1175
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In the bizarre, Gonzo politics that this protest has brought out on both sides it makes sense and is probably for his own good that Robert Lee is taken off this game.

    The War of the Fools.


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    #1176
    Samaris
    Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Seems perfectly sensible to ask the guy if he wanted to be on a different one. He was given the choice, not just removed wholesale. No, given the circumstances, I don't think it was cruelly putting him under pressure. Adults can certainly tell the difference between some fella on the radio and a dead Confederate general, but the alt-right media commentators have been anything but adult lately.

    It was reasonable to give him the option to not have his first broadcast game under the shadow of morons. "Broadcast employer shows concern for new staff" may be unusual, sure, but it's not news, no matter how much whoever was going on about it over the last few pages wants it to be.


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    #1177
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Samaris wrote: »
    Seems perfectly sensible to ask the guy if he wanted to be on a different one. He was given the choice, not just removed wholesale. No, given the circumstances, I don't think it was cruelly putting him under pressure. Adults can certainly tell the difference between some fella on the radio and a dead Confederate general, but the alt-right media commentators have been anything but adult lately.

    It was reasonable to give him the option to not have his first broadcast game under the shadow of morons. "Broadcast employer shows concern for new staff" may be unusual, sure, but it's not news, no matter how much whoever was going on about it over the last few pages wants it to be.


    C'mon lets be honest here. This is nothing to do with the right.

    This is an idea from the left "usually a little white rich kid" Thinking this would offend a poc.


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    #1178
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Looks like the counter protest in Boston had some effect.

    https://www.adl.org/education/resources/profiles/act-for-america
    ACT for America an anti Muslim group has cancelled 67 "America First" rallies across the US and will instead be having an online "day of action".



    ACT propagates the hateful conspiracy theory that Muslims are infiltrating US institutions in order to impose Sharia law.
    ACT stokes irrational fear of Muslims via a number of false claims, including that headscarves are a sign of radicalization, and that 25 percent of Muslims approve of terrorism.
    ACT founder Brigitte Gabriel is a leading voice in the fight against immigration and refugee resettlement.
    ACT’s hardline stance on Islam and immigration has attracted a number of conservative lawmakers as well as far-right extremists, including white supremacists and militia group members.


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    #1179
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    20Cent wrote: »
    Looks like the counter protest in Boston had some effect.

    https://www.adl.org/education/resources/profiles/act-for-america
    ACT for America an anti Muslim group has cancelled 67 "America First" rallies across the US and will instead be having an online "day of action".



    ACT propagates the hateful conspiracy theory that Muslims are infiltrating US institutions in order to impose Sharia law.
    ACT stokes irrational fear of Muslims via a number of false claims, including that headscarves are a sign of radicalization, and that 25 percent of Muslims approve of terrorism.
    ACT founder Brigitte Gabriel is a leading voice in the fight against immigration and refugee resettlement.
    ACT’s hardline stance on Islam and immigration has attracted a number of conservative lawmakers as well as far-right extremists, including white supremacists and militia group members.


    They probably don't need to rally, the guys protesting are their biggest recruitment machines

    Do you think one little counter protest is going to change the minds of an acclaimed 750,000 members?


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    #1180
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Sweetemotion wrote: »

    Do you think one little counter protest is going to change the minds of an acclaimed 750,000 members?

    No, but it does send the message that regular people won't put up with them marching around stirring up hate. Previous ACT rallies had members of Identity Evropa and Vanguard America attend and speak at them.


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    #1181
    Saruhashi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Saruhashi


    20Cent wrote: »
    No, but it does send the message that regular people won't put up with them marching around stirring up hate. Previous ACT rallies had members of Identity Evropa and Vanguard America attend and speak at them.

    They should not be getting permission to hold these rallies in the first place.

    Don't they have to apply for permits and such?


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    #1182
    Obvious Otter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Obvious Otter


    The problem is that the narrative at large on this issue isn't equal to the reality. Anyone from the right protesting is a neo nazi and is tarred and feathered as a racist and a bigot. The reality is quite different. While we continue demonising people for policial beliefs that don't agree with our own we will just continue to force people into the extremes of both sides.

    Society in the United States has become far too politically correct to actually deal with the mass divineness that we're seeing unfold.


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    #1183
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,867 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Obvious Otter wrote: »
    The problem is that the narrative at large on this issue isn't equal to the reality. Anyone from the right protesting is a neo nazi and is tarred and feathered as a racist and a bigot. The reality is quite different. While we continue demonising people for policial beliefs that don't agree with our own we will just continue to force people into the extremes of both sides.

    Society in the United States has become far too politically correct to actually deal with the mass divineness that we're seeing unfold.

    While certainly some go overboard using the nazi word most simply used it when they marched with the nazi flag and was appropriate.

    If someone marches behind a nazi flag and their excuse is political correctness I am going to go ahead and call bull on that one. Seriously no one should let their morality be driven by political correctness and anyone who says otherwise is lying


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    #1184
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Obvious Otter wrote: »
    The problem is that the narrative at large on this issue isn't equal to the reality. Anyone from the right protesting is a neo nazi and is tarred and feathered as a racist and a bigot. The reality is quite different. While we continue demonising people for policial beliefs that don't agree with our own we will just continue to force people into the extremes of both sides.

    Calling someone a Nazi for marching with a Nazi flag, is just a statement of fact. Its not demonizing in that case.
    Obvious Otter wrote: »
    Society in the United States has become far too politically correct to actually deal with the mass divineness that we're seeing unfold.

    Surely, saying that we can't call people walking around with Nazi flags Nazi's is political correctness? These guys openly admitted to be Neo Nazi's, KKK, white supremacists etc. All people are doing is calling a spade a spade. The rights demands for political correctness is amusing, considering how often they rail against it.


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    #1185
    Obvious Otter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Obvious Otter


    wes wrote: »
    Calling someone a Nazi for marching with a Nazi flag, is just a statement of fact. Its not demonizing in that case.



    Surely, saying that we can't call people walking around with Nazi flags Nazi's is political correctness? These guys openly admitted to be Neo Nazi's, KKK, white supremacists etc. All people are doing is calling a spade a spade. The rights demands for political correctness is amusing, considering how often they rail against it.

    I didn't say that. Obviously calling neo-nazis what they are is nothing to do with political correctness.

    People aren't calling a spade a spade and to suggest that is disingenuous. Lots of misrepresentation of the events in Charlottesville has taken place.


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    #1186
    Obvious Otter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭Obvious Otter


    wes wrote: »
    Calling someone a Nazi for marching with a Nazi flag, is just a statement of fact. Its not demonizing in that case.



    Surely, saying that we can't call people walking around with Nazi flags Nazi's is political correctness? These guys openly admitted to be Neo Nazi's, KKK, white supremacists etc. All people are doing is calling a spade a spade. The rights demands for political correctness is amusing, considering how often they rail against it.

    I didn't say that. Obviously calling neo-nazis what they are is nothing to do with political correctness.

    People aren't calling a spade a spade and to suggest that is disingenuous. Lots of misrepresentation of the events in Charlottesville has taken place.


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    #1187
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Obvious Otter wrote: »
    I didn't say that. Obviously calling neo-nazis what they are is nothing to do with political correctness.

    Well considering the subject of the thread, your comments are then confusing, and make no sense.
    Obvious Otter wrote: »
    People aren't calling a spade a spade and to suggest that is disingenuous. Lots of misrepresentation of the events in Charlottesville has taken place.

    People who were openly white supremacist organized and marched. No one is claiming they are the average right winger.

    IMO, all I am seeing is people wanting political correctness for there side of things.


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    #1188
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,844 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Obvious Otter wrote: »
    Lots of misrepresentation of the events in Charlottesville has taken place.

    Yep, here's a report on a prime example.


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    #1189
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,815 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It would be. But it doesn't change anything. Besides, black people wandering by that statue of Lee in Robert E. Lee park weren't even born when the Civil War was in effect.

    I understand the sentiments and understand why people around the world would have issue with statues and symbols from history. But, whitewashing these things out of the public eye won't erase the historical record or even make those those hard done by feel any better in the long run.

    It's just a gloss.

    Why not do what Budapest did? Create a park for all the taken statues to goto.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1190
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,924 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Why not do what Budapest did? Create a park for all the taken statues to goto.

    That's an option Joey. But, it would just be a matter of time before that park is targeted too.

    This isn't really about statues though. It's an attempt to control the narrative. It's a power play. This year it's statues. Next year it'll be something else.

    The vast majority of people walk by those statues and don't even register them, black and white.


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    #1191
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That's an option Joey. But, it would just be a matter of time before that park is targeted too.
    This isn't really about statues though. It's an attempt to control the narrative. It's a power play. This year it's statues. Next year it'll be something else.
    The vast majority of people walk by those statues and don't even register them, black and white.

    Yikes. So what you're saying is its just those uppity black folk who should know their place and shouldnt complain??

    The Civil Rights struggle in the 1960's means nothing does it?


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    #1192
    marcus001
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭marcus001


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Yikes. So what you're saying is its just those uppity black folk who should know their place and shouldnt complain??

    The Civil Rights struggle in the 1960's means nothing does it?

    Anything that comes after "so what you're saying is" is almost always retarded inflammatory nonsense.

    Why do you insist on posting like this?


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    #1193
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That's an option Joey. But, it would just be a matter of time before that park is targeted too.

    This isn't really about statues though. It's an attempt to control the narrative. It's a power play. This year it's statues. Next year it'll be something else.

    The vast majority of people walk by those statues and don't even register them, black and white.

    It probably will be something else. But they'll probably be right about that as well.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #1194
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Yikes. So what you're saying is its just those uppity black folk who should know their place and shouldnt complain??

    The Civil Rights struggle in the 1960's means nothing does it?
    marcus001 wrote: »
    Anything that comes after "so what you're saying is" is almost always retarded inflammatory nonsense.

    Why do you insist on posting like this?

    Mod note:

    Has no one read the mod warning? Banned for three days.


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    #1195
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,254 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Given that this discussion has rarely exceeded the level of link dumping and sniping, I think we're done here.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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