Can't wait for the Super 8's

LeinsterDub

I can't wait till next year and we've to suffer through more of these kind of games. Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have all won in second gear. The only game in the quarters with any bite was Roscommon and Mayo.
If this was 2018 the above teams would be looking at playing Monaghan, Galway or Armagh next week for a other round of dire games.

STB.

Time for the other counties to step up to the mark so!

Remember "Super 8" is just an unofficial term for that part of next year's championship. Maybe we could call it "3 and whatever having yourself"?

howiya

Roscommon and Mayo was close but the standard was very poor. Looks like the Super 8s is a bad idea already. Tremendous 3 maybe?

booterboy

Football Championship thus far is dire to say the least.
No amount of tinkering with Football Championship in the near future will sovle the lobsided results.
Both games Today over as a contest after 20 mins.
Can't blame the top 3 of Dub/Tyr/Ker but the gap is just increasing on everyone else.
Cannot wait until the 2 hurling semi finals Tomorrow.
Minor game between Cats and Galway will be tight with the Senior game impossible to call.
Hurling to the rescue again.

doc_17

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I can't wait till next year and we've to suffer through more of these kind of games. Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have all won in second gear. The only game in the quarters with any bite was Roscommon and Mayo.
If this was 2018 the above teams would be looking at playing Monaghan, Galway or Armagh next week for a other round of dire games.

Ros v Mayo was a quarter final. The huge issues today were uncompetitive matches plus the empty stadium. Bringing games to regional venues will help. Dub v Mon in Clones would have been closer. Matches in empty grounds are her hard to get engaged in.

shockframe

booterboy wrote: »

Football Championship thus far is dire to say the least.
No amount of tinkering with Football Championship in the near future will sovle the lobsided results.
Both games Today over as a contest after 20 mins.
Can't blame the top 3 of Dub/Tyr/Ker but the gap is just increasing on everyone else.
Cannot wait until the 2 hurling semi finals Tomorrow.
Minor game between Cats and Galway will be tight with the Senior game impossible to call.
Hurling to the rescue again.

The Football championship overall has been better this season than the last few.

The Hurling has been very mediocre so far.

km79

I hope they are all on sky

C__MC

shockframe wrote: »

The Football championship overall has been better this season than the last few.

The Hurling has been very mediocre so far.

I will agree to disagree. Poor provincial finals and poor quater finals bar the one. Some good games in Qualifiers, mayo always bring excitement.

shockframe

doc_17 wrote: »

Ros v Mayo was a quarter final. The huge issues today were uncompetitive matches plus the empty stadium. Bringing games to regional venues will help. Dub v Mon in Clones would have been closer. Matches in empty grounds are her hard to get engaged in.

Teams like Monaghan and Roscommon reaching he quarter finals is almost the limit for them. Both have a population of 60,000 or so. Tonight wasnt pretty for Monaghan but they do well to get to that stage considering their resources.

shockframe

C__MC wrote: »

I will agree to disagree. Poor provincial finals and poor quater finals bar the one. Some good games in Qualifiers, mayo always bring excitement.

Lot of reasonably good games in the early rounds though. Couple of enjoyable qualifier games.

Not top drawer finals but enjoyed watchng Tyrone and Roscommon win their provinces.

In fairness the quarter finals haven't produced a decent game for a long time so I wasnt expecting much.

Coillte_Bhoy

doc_17 wrote: »

Ros v Mayo was a quarter final. The huge issues today were uncompetitive matches plus the empty stadium. Bringing games to regional venues will help. Dub v Mon in Clones would have been closer. Matches in empty grounds are her hard to get engaged in.

Well the dubs will have to play one of their Super 8 games outside Croke Park, thats something i suppose. Agreed though, games played at provincial venues with packed stadiums will be far better, atmosphere wise, tv coverage etc. I think mayo V ross on Monday should have been in the west, let them toss for it, at best there might be 40k in a half empty Croker, compared to a packed house in the Hyde or McHale Park.

LeinsterDub

doc_17 wrote: »

Ros v Mayo was a quarter final. The huge issues today were uncompetitive matches plus the empty stadium.

I'm aware it was a quarter final and it was sold out so empty??

km79

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Well the dubs will have to play one of their Super 8 games outside Croke Park, thats something i suppose. Agreed though, games played at provincial venues with packed stadiums will be far better, atmosphere wise, tv coverage etc. I think mayo V ross on Monday should have been in the west, let them toss for it, at best there might be 40k in a half empty Croker, compared to a packed house in the Hyde or McHale Park.

And listen to complaints from the 10 k who can't get tickets then ?
No thanks

C__MC

shockframe wrote: »

Lot of reasonably good games in the early rounds though. Couple of enjoyable qualifier games.

Not top drawer finals but enjoyed watchng Tyrone and Roscommon win their provinces.

In fairness the quarter finals haven't produced a decent game for a long time so I wasnt expecting much.

What games in the early rounds were good?

Munster championship? Tipp and cork was an awful game despite score line

Ulster? I agree there Monaghan and down v good, as was down/Armagh

Connacht? I agree there that mayo and Galway was v good

Leinster? Can't recall any good games

Qualifiers threw up some crackers I will say! The provincial championship is long gone, grade changes need to be implemented

Powerhouse

doc_17 wrote: »

Ros v Mayo was a quarter final. The huge issues today were uncompetitive matches plus the empty stadium. Bringing games to regional venues will help. Dub v Mon in Clones would have been closer. Matches in empty grounds are her hard to get engaged in.

There was a full house in Croke Park today.

Coillte_Bhoy

km79 wrote: »

And listen to complaints from the 10 k who can't get tickets then ?
No thanks

Ya i get you but look at the bigger picture. The way the games are marketed and presented now is awful, for example Cork V Mayo from a pr perspective should have been in Ennis, 13,000 packed into a tight staium with a brilliant atmosphere as opposed to Limerick with swathes of empty seating, now im talking here purely from a promotional point of view as i do wonder what the GAA overall strategy is in all of this, becuase i cant imagine SKY being happy with the decision to have that game in Limerick for example.

Coillte_Bhoy

Powerhouse wrote: »

There was a full house in Croke Park today.

Talk about missing the bloody point, there was not a full house for most of the second game

Powerhouse

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Well the dubs will have to play one of their Super 8 games outside Croke Park, thats something i suppose. Agreed though, games played at provincial venues with packed stadiums will be far better, atmosphere wise, tv coverage etc. I think mayo V ross on Monday should have been in the west, let them toss for it, at best there might be 40k in a half empty Croker, compared to a packed house in the Hyde or McHale Park.

Why will there be a packed stadium at a provincial venue for a Galway/Armagh or Mayo/Monaghan match of no consequence if one or maybe both are already out? There might be a bounce initially due to the novelty just as there was with the qualifiers years ago but that will soon wane.

Powerhouse

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Talk about missing the bloody point, there was not a full house for most of the second game

Why would there be? Why would people from Armagh/Tyrone stay and watch a procession? They won't go to Clones to watch a rerun either nor will much of the crowd that would attend Croke Park. The notion of atmosphere-filled provincial stadiums is a delusion. There just aren't enough competitive teams to have a meaningful Super 8. People will not gather in vast numbers to watch uncompetitive rubbish, certainly outside of the experience Croke Park provides anyway.

Powerhouse

STB. wrote: »

Time for the other counties to step up to the mark so!

If it were that straightforward they'd have already done so.

Coillte_Bhoy

Powerhouse wrote: »

Why would there be? Why would people from Armagh/Tyrone stay and watch a procession? They won't go to Clones to watch a rerun either nor will much of the crowd that would attend Croke Park. The notion of atmosphere-filled provincial stadiums is a delusion. There just aren't enough competitive teams to have a meaningful Super 8. People will not gather in vast numbers to watch uncompetitive rubbish, certainly outside of the experience Croke Park provides anyway.

Eh? you posted that there was a full house today, i merely pointed out that there wasnt for the second game. And yeah there will be the odd meaningless game unfortunately as happens in every sport but thats no reason to knock the proposal. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone but i think that game played in Clones might just have been a bit more interesting do you not think?

Davys Fits

The football c'ship has been poor enough. Too many people mixing up excitement with quality. The 'super 8' logo should be changed to something less dramatic as there is nothing super about most of them.

Coillte_Bhoy

Davys Fits wrote: »

The football c'ship has been poor enough. Too many people mixing up excitement with quality. The 'super 8' logo should be changed to something less dramatic as there is nothing super about most of them.

Powerhouse

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Eh? you posted that there was a full house today, i merely pointed out that there wasnt for the second game. And yeah there will be the odd meaningless game unfortunately as happens in every sport but thats no reason to knock the proposal. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone but i think that game played in Clones might just have been a bit more interesting do you not think?

I don't think. Result would have been the same. Whatever novelty might apply regarding venues will quickly wear thin when the counties at the bottom of the Super 8 are seen to be making up numbers. As things stand Kerry and Dublin are so far ahead of the rest there will be more than the odd meaningless game. And the Super 8 obliterates the possibility of an occasional shock as there'll always be another day out.

Powerhouse

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Eh? you posted that there was a full house today, i merely pointed out that there wasnt for the second game.

And I just explained why that might have been the case.

doc_17

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I can't wait till next year and we've to suffer through more of these kind of games. Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have all won in second gear. The only game in the quarters with any bite was Roscommon and Mayo.
If this was 2018 the above teams would be looking at playing Monaghan, Galway or Armagh next week for a other round of dire games.

Ros v Mayo was a quarter final. The huge issues today were uncompetitive matches plus the empty stadium. Bringing games to regional venues will help. Dub v Mon in Clones would have been closer. Matches in empty grounds are her hard to get engaged in.

Fr Tod Umptious

Davys Fits wrote: »

The football c'ship has been poor enough. Too many people mixing up excitement with quality. The 'super 8' logo should be changed to something less dramatic as there is nothing super about most of them.

Super 8 was just a term attached to the idea of quarter final group stages, by whom I do not know.

It not an official title

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I can't wait till next year and we've to suffer through more of these kind of games. Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone have all won in second gear. The only game in the quarters with any bite was Roscommon and Mayo.
If this was 2018 the above teams would be looking at playing Monaghan, Galway or Armagh next week for a other round of dire games.

I cant see the Super 8s making any difference to games at least next year. Perhaps in 2019 or 2020 it might improve but counties need to rethink how they are approaching and preparing for championship.
There is a chasm opening between the top 3 of Dublin, Kerry, and Tyrone and the rest. 4th best is arguably still Mayo (who seem to have dropped off) Monaghan and then there is little between the rest of Division 1 and all of the Division 2 teams.

Obviously my hope is for my own county to qualify for next seasons edition because it is crucial to the long term development of football in Tipperary that we are playing top level opposition more frequently.

Looking at Armagh taking a hammering from Tyrone today we would be obliterated against Kerry, Dublin or Tyrone. We would however learn from playing them more frequently. That is why we need to be amongst the elite in the league.

deaddonkey15

I used to enjoy football but I have to say it's truly gone to the dogs. The games today were so poor it's unbelievable.

Fianna Fowl

If this was 2018, then the last 8 would go something like this;

round 1 Dublin v Tyrone & Mayo v Galway in Croke Park

Round 2 Dublin v Galway in Croke Park & Tyrone v Mayo in Healy Park

Round 3 Mayo v Dublin in Castlebar & Galway v Tyrone in Pearse park

Other group would have;
Round 1 Kerry v Roscommon & Armagh v Monaghan in Croke park

Round 2 Kerry v Armagh in Killarney & Roscommon v Monaghan in Hyde park

Round 3 Monaghan v Kerry in clones & Armagh v Roscommon in athletics grounds

Looking forward to it.

Making the last 8 is a realistic target for all division 1, 2 & 3 teams

shockframe

Gaelic Football is at a disadvantage in having an equal championship given that the populations of nearly half the teams are too small to have a chance at winning Sam.The critics of the game are often slow to take into account how small numbers are in some counties. Add into that Hurling impacting on Munster counties and the 50:50 Catholic/Protestant divide in the north.

Dublin are bound to be strong given that 1/3 of the country lives there.

As bad as it is for the competitiveness right now is it worse than any other sport.

Since 2000 7 different teams have won the All Ireland.

In the same time there has been no more than 5 teams that have won a League title in the top 4 leagues of professional football (Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A).

Dirty Dingus McGee

booterboy wrote: »

Football Championship thus far is dire to say the least.
No amount of tinkering with Football Championship in the near future will sovle the lobsided results.
Both games Today over as a contest after 20 mins.
Can't blame the top 3 of Dub/Tyr/Ker but the gap is just increasing on everyone else.
Cannot wait until the 2 hurling semi finals Tomorrow.
Minor game between Cats and Galway will be tight with the Senior game impossible to call.
Hurling to the rescue again.

Football championship has actually been quite good this year.Most teams are playing a much more positive style of football this year compared to the last 5 or 6 years.

Armagh look to have overachieved in getting as far as they did (they are a division 3 team for a reason) and Galway always **** the bed when they get to Croke Park.Dublin hammering everyone they play is fine because they are unbelievably good and they have most teams beaten before the game even starts.

Its amazing how many people are melodramatic about the football championship 3 of the 4 games last weekend were very entertaining but all of a sudden because we had 2 ****e games today everything is dreadful again.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Davys Fits wrote: »

The football c'ship has been poor enough. Too many people mixing up excitement with quality. The 'super 8' logo should be changed to something less dramatic as there is nothing super about most of them.

But there has been quality on display.Both winning performances were quality and yet people aren't happy with that either.

Truth is that in almost every single sport the combination of high quality and high entertainment is very very rare as that requires 2 top class teams to both play well at the same time and the match to be close.

There have been lots of exciting matches this year so far.

Dirty Dingus McGee

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I used to enjoy football but I have to say it's truly gone to the dogs. The games today were so poor it's unbelievable.

Did you watch last weekends matches?

Shurimgreat

There would be far more exciting and evenly matched super 8 games than the regular one sided quarter finals we see year in year out. At the very least 2 of the top 4 counties would face each other in a quarter final. The lesser teams would be more evenly matched too against each other. And some games would be played down the country.
We shouldnt have to wait until the 3rd week of August to see Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone properly tested as is the situation now.

deaddonkey15

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Did you watch last weekends matches?

Yes, I thought Kerry vs Galway was dull enough. Mayo Roscommon was half decent.

Fianna Fowl

shockframe wrote:

Since 2000 7 different teams have won the All Ireland.

Sure so far in this decade we've had 4 different winners Dublin (11, 13, 15,16), Kerry (14), Donegal (12) and Cork (10). We've also had Down and Mayo in finals

OldMrBrennan83

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Dirty Dingus McGee

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Yes, I thought Kerry vs Galway was dull enough. Mayo Roscommon was half decent.

the 2 games on Saturday were good as well.

Fianna Fowl

Patww79 wrote:

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That's just a media creation.

The media 'back door' became 'qualifiers'...

Dirty Dingus McGee

Patww79 wrote: »

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It's not a rugby style name.It's a style of name that's been used for numerous different sports over the years.

deaddonkey15

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

the 2 games on Saturday were good as well.

Didn't see much of them, but what I'd consider a 'good' football match these days is just one that isn't terrible. Munster final this year was very disappointing.

Stoner

Fianna Fowl wrote:

The media 'back door' became 'qualifiers'...

I must try that one tonight. No harm in a bit of rebranding

dxhound2005

I think the last time the Dubs got a bit of back door action was in 2010.

Stoner

dxhound2005 wrote:

I think the last time the Dubs got a bit of back door action was in 2010.

Unfortunately I was in London that year

DoctaDee

Stoner wrote: »

I must try that one tonight. No harm in a bit of rebranding

You'll probably get the same answer tho ..

Stoner

DoctaDee wrote:

You'll probably get the same answer tho ..

Well I'm not changing teams at this stage DoctaDee.

DoctaDee

Stoner wrote: »

Well I'm not changing teams at this stage DoctaDee.

.. bit like meself Stoner, we've tumbled from senior to junior b but we're competitive a couple of times a season !

LeinsterDub

As someone pointed out you may get the odd shock and that was a plus for the current system but asking the weaker teams to play 3 games will end up with what we are watching now. Shock teams in the semis will be gone

Shurimgreat

Its not the structure of the championship that's the problem.

Its the allocation of player and financial resources.

Up to recently other counties could compete with Dublin in Leinster in terms of playing pool and financial resources. Now they have no chance. And it will only get worse in the future as Dublin continues to grow in population.

I see Dublin winning at least the next 10 Leinster championships. And this is before they even reach AI quarters or Super 8s.

The Leinster counties are stuck in a vicious cycle. They can't win enough games to earn enough revenue or attract enough people to the game because who wants to be at the receiving end of a thrashing from Dublin every year?

Breaking up Dublin is not the answer. But some form of limited professionalism for key players and managers might be the answer for the lesser counties.

As it stands however, Gaelic football is heading the way of hurling, with only certain counties capable of putting up a challenge.