What happens if Trump nukes North Korea?

Den14

blackcard wrote:

Why do you think he will start listening to advisors when he hasn't done so to date?Particularly if his popularity continues to decline

Believe me what he does on Twitter and what he does on a military basis are two different things. The guy thinks he has the reigns but he does not. The military run America and poor Trump is just a puppet

Gatling

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

They would return alight, but in a coma.

The U.S. can't attack NK with conventional weapons because NK can retaliate with artillery to decimate Seoul. There's no way the Americans will commit to losing thousands of their troops in a conventional war like the Vietnam or Korean wars. The only option is for a massive strike such as nuclear.

Kim getting to the point of having a ballistic missile reach the U.S. mainland will be the trigger for the U.S. to pre-emptively strike. The difference with the cold war was that the Russians didn't keep telling everyone they were going to attack, but Kim doing so will make Americans support a pre-emptive attack.

North Korean artillery is rediculously over rated

For example the last time they attacked south Korea they fired some 400 + rounds at Yeonpyeong with 170 rounds hitting the island killing only 2 ,

Two things will happen either North Korea will attack the south , Japan and america and suffer dire consequences ,
Or China will do a Crimea and roll into Pyongyang and claim it as part of China under the guise of peace keeping ,

Every other person blaming america for this seriously needs to check the facts america isn't antagonising Kim ,it's north Korea that has repeatedly attacked the south Korean which is still at a state of war unlike the south which has gotten over the war rebuilt itself and because a success on the global economy and technology ,

Where the North is still in the 1950s ready for an invasion that was never going to happen till china and russia incouraged it originally ,

Whats worse is the Chinese weapons and technology flowing into Pyongyang while trying to make themselves look like peace makers.

Just today china announced its army will respulse any invasion , sounds more like it's getting ready to keep Kim firmly in power

blackcard

Den14 wrote: »

blackcard wrote:

Why do you think he will start listening to advisors when he hasn't done so to date?Particularly if his popularity continues to decline

Believe me what he does on Twitter and what he does on a military basis are two different things. The guy thinks he has the reigns but he does not. The military run America and poor Trump is just a puppet

I was listening to a documentary recently which stated that the POTUS had the power to initiate any attack. The last time this was removed was during the Nixon presidency when generals decided that additional approvals would be required as Nixon was drinking very heavily.

Den14

blackcard wrote:

I was listening to a documentary recently which stated that the POTUS had the power to initiate any attack. The last time this was removed was during the Nixon presidency when generals decided that additional approvals would be required as Nixon was drinking very heavily.

Your could be right however I'm suspicious on this official line. Putting on my tinfoil hat this is what they would want the world to think.

RobertKK

I don't think the US is prepared to trust Kim Jong Un who threatens them with a nuclear strike, the same Kim Jong Un who thought it was a good idea to kill his brother Kim Jong Nam with a weapon of mass destruction in a busy airport.

Trump will not be nuking North Korea.

Victor

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Presidents have simply ignored the regime as it was no direct threat to the USA.

30,000+ US troops in Korea, lots more in Japan, which has been in striking distance for a while.

Junkyard Tom

Wouldn't it be great if KJ Ill-in-the-head challenged Trumplethinskin to an MMA fight? Trump's ego is so fragile he'd probably accept. If KJI wins the US pulls out of Korea altogether and if Trump wins NK decommissions its nuclear programme.

Gatling

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Wouldn't it be great if KJ Ill-in-the-head challenged Trumplethinskin to an MMA fight? Trump's ego is so fragile he'd probably accept. If KJI wins the US pulls out of Korea altogether and if Trump wins NK decommissions its nuclear programme.

Make it a karaoke competition big don wins ,lil kim unites Korea and he retires to get fat and old while singing "bad " by wacko Jacko repeatedly till his dying days .
Lil Kim wins big don retires giving all his wealth to a russian orphanage

Kerryman79

Den14 wrote: »

Your could be right however I'm suspicious on this official line. Putting on my tinfoil hat this is what they would want the world to think.

Dont forget the free iodine tablets that Bertie and Micheál Martin gave us :rolleyes:

Beta Ray Bill

Nothing can be done without all out Nuclear war being the outcome.

If Trump (Or anyone) uses conventional weapons against NK, then NK could Nuke SK or Japan, that in turn would mean the US would Nuke NK and probably China, China would then Nuke the US and we'd all be dead or dying

If a Nuclear strike is used by the US against NK then NK will respond in kind probably with China launching their Nukes too US would then Nuke China and we'd all be dead or dying

The situation is very fragile, and all parties know that it's a complete Nuclear stalemate. If anyone attacks we're all fooked.

Even if one one Nuke were to hit, (say Seoul, got hit, or Seattle ) the Economic impact would push the world into Recession or possibly even Depression, not to mention the loss of Millions of Lives.

Also remember that only one country has ever "Pushed the button"...

wakka12

Trump alone doesn't have the authority to nuke a foreign country and start a war for no very justifiable reason, it would be voted on by many other people of power in the US

branie2

I wouldn't put it past him

Bob24

grahambo wrote: »

Nothing can be done without all out Nuclear war being the outcome.

If Trump (Or anyone) uses conventional weapons against NK, then NK could Nuke SK or Japan,

I don't think many people believe NK currently has the ability to do that (blowing an artisanal and very large bomb underground is one thing, creating a miniaturised one which is reliable and can be loaded into a missile is another).

The real risk in case if a conventional strike by the US is what another poster mentioned: Seoul is very close to the border and if NK's immediate reaction was to throw everything they have in terms of conventional firepower at Seoul, they could kill a lot of people very quickly (eventually they would be stoped as they are no match for other armies in the area, but they would probably have time to do a lot of damage before other parties react)

Are Am Eye

grahambo wrote: »

Nothing can be done without all out Nuclear war being the

The first thing the usa will do is cripple koreas nuclear capability. It will happen in the space of hours. All their missile silos, launch sites, command centres and icbms will be toast.

Have no doubt, these have long since been identified and are constantly watched.

wes

I really want to believe that Trump isn't mad enough to actually nuke North Korea, but he is pretty unstable, and honestly it wouldn't surprise me.

I am not sure who is more unstable Kim Jong-un or Trump.

Beta Ray Bill

Are Am Eye wrote: »

The first thing the usa will do is cripple koreas nuclear capability. It will happen in the space of hours. All their missile silos, launch sites, command centres and icbms will be toast.

Have no doubt, these have long since been identified and are constantly watched.

Same way the "crippled" the Serbian army during the Kosovo war

Read this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/liberation-of-kosovo-bomb-damage-how-fake-guns-and-painting-the-roads-fooled-nato-1101479.html

NATO way overestimated the damage they caused during the Kosovo war.
Serbs used mock ups and moved there air force via road around the country to hide/protect it.
Serbian Army is as strong as it ever was.

If they (The US or Coalition or whatever they are calling themselves these days) miss even one missile in a preemptive strike then we're all dead.
That's whats at stake here.
It will not take NK long to miniaturise the weapon (if they have not done so already, we don't know what they have and neither do the US/Japan/South Korea)

Then there is China, A preemptive strike will bring China into play almost immediately.
America will lose a proxy war against China over the Korean peninsula.

Are Am Eye

grahambo wrote: »

Same way the "crippled" serbia

That wasnt a nuclear war.
The US did not want to or need to destroy every plane and tank and individual weapon across a whole country.

That' mickey mouse bull sh1t. The locations of koreas embryonic icbm capability is of importance and interest and will be known.

Beta Ray Bill

Are Am Eye wrote: »

That wasnt a nuclear war.
The US did not want to or need to destroy every plane and tank and individual weapon across a whole country.

That' mickey mouse bull sh1t. The locations of koreas embryonic icbm capability is of importance and interest and will be known.

I disagree with you. Satellites cannot see through thick cloud, nor can they see through tunnels or through thick tree canopy's.

NK is not going to leave them out in the open where they are vulnerable, they'll have them stashed away somewhere.
NK don't have Silo's, it's a mobile launch system

In the Kosovo war over 38,000 combat missions were flown.
For that they got:
3 Tanks (Claimed 120)
18 APC's (Claimed 220)
20 Artillery pieces (Claimed 450)
50 Aircraft of which included 6 MIG-29's that were shot down. (They hit none of the Main combat aircraft on the ground)
And a hell of a lot of damage to things like bridges, radio stations, base's IE stuff that cannot be moved.

That does not make good reading considering if they missed just one ICBM we're all dead.

Don't listen to all the US propaganda about how powerful there army is.

Agricola

Storm in a teacup. To paraphrase Conor McGregor, "Kim'll do nuttin!" He's simply sabre rattling to inform everyone that he has the capacity to end a lot of lives quickly if he needs to, and nobody better make any moves to topple his regime or that is exactly what'll he do. He doesn't want to start a conflict which he knows will end in his demise, and the reign of his "glorious" family

America won't start anything because they have no support from others, have major powers like Russia and China vehemently against it and they have nothing to gain themselves...unlike Iraq.

DEFTLEFTHAND

No and NK won't try anything either. They're not that stupid, it would be signal the end for them.

Are Am Eye

grahambo wrote: »

I disagree with you. Satellites cannot see through thick cloud, nor can they see through tunnels or through thick tree canopy's.

This is not the 70s vietnam tunnels offer no protection. Cloud might tempoarily obscure an area but not long enough to build a nuclear reactor, missile factory or launch pad. The locations of those are fixed and known.
They have some mobile launchers and even in the event that their current location is unknown at the initial attack they will be hunted down and destroyed by air.
It should also be noted that very quickly nobody will be getting any orders and there will be no communications.
Its trillions of dollars of technology you cant beat it

Beta Ray Bill

The ICBM in question is the Hwasong-14, It is carried on Transporter erector launcher vehicle.

There are no missile pads or silos.

If the Americans can only hit 3 Tanks in a 10 day bombing campaign over Kosovo, what chance have they at hitting the 30 to 50 of these Launchers all in one go?

0 is the answer, and that's just the Hwasong-14, NK have 100's of other short and medium range missiles capable of hitting targets such as Japan, South Korea, etc.

Bare in mind also that Hwasong-14 is capable of hitting a targets in Europe.

We DO NOT want Trump going in there causing trouble.

Cheerful Spring

blackcard wrote: »

Trump doesn't seem like a stable person to me. His presidency seems to be a laughing stock with his popularity at record lows. I think he may gamble on nuking North Korea so that he can appear to be strong and to deflect from his current difficulties. If he wants to attack North Korea, can anyone stop him? How does China Russia react?

Kim only started testing missile after missile when Trump threatened them. America bombed the crap out of Libya after Muammar Gaddafi gave up he's nuclear program. Saddam Hussein was agreeing to all terms of the UN weapons deal, but Bush still in the end invaded the country. Syria is a mess today.

Are Am Eye

North korea does have missile launch sites.

They also have a small number of mobile launchers that can launch medium range missiles at targets all of whom possess anti missile capability (south korea, japan, china)

What is your fixation with kosova. It wasnt mission critical to hit and destroy every tank in the country in one go. It is mission critical to quickly destroy nk missile capability within hours even minutes. And the technology is there to do it. The skies across korea will be filled with stealth aircraft who can deliver devastating payloads on to a dime. Your mobile launchers wont be mobile for very long.

BuilderPlumber

Since 1991, the world has had way too many wars involving America. Apart from Serbia, the other countries America went to war with over that period are a total mess. I think it is time for America to change its woeful foreign policy and it is time for a more moderate and peaceful policy. But when one has the likes of Steve Bannon around, that is hardly likely for the moment. North Korea and places like it are the way they are because of very poor American policy. America needs to be able to admit that it gets things wrong. Any mature country should be able to. A whole lot of countries deserve an apology from America regarding to the abysmal treatment America gave them.

Cheerful Spring

Bob24 wrote: »

Between "just waits for a madman in Korea to further develop ICBM' s" and "nukes North Korea", there is quite a wide range of alternative options!

As mentioned by other posters, conventional military strikes are for exemple a pretty strong one.

NK can't win a conventional war against America and South Korea. If they got nukes they will use them early. America will hit the locations of those nukes where they can. Either way North Korea has no interest in waging a war, it just bluster. America is the unpredictable under trump. If Trump left them alone, Kim would back off and probably test 1 or 2 missiles a year.

Beta Ray Bill

Are Am Eye wrote: »

They also have a small number of mobile launchers that can launch medium range missiles at targets all of whom possess anti missile capability (south korea, japan, china)

There are only 3 anti ICBM systems in place in the world in the US, Russia and Israel, no where else. And even at that, there is questions over their reliability. They've never been tested in anger)
Conventional Anti Missile systems cannot hit an ICBM (To high, to fast)

Are Am Eye wrote: »

What is your fixation with kosova. It wasnt mission critical to hit and destroy every tank in the country in one go.

It was mission critical to Destroy or Drive out all Serbian forces in Kosovo.

Are Am Eye wrote: »

It is mission critical to quickly destroy nk missile capability within hours even minutes. And the technology is there to do it. The skies across korea will be filled with stealth aircraft who can deliver devastating payloads on to a dime. Your mobile launchers wont be mobile for very long.

First of all they're not mine, second they don't need to be, couple of minutes to launch is all they need. America does not have the capability to enter NK airspace undetected, locate 50 odd mobile launchers and then destroy them all with a couple of seconds of one another.

I don't think you get it, If just one of those missiles are launched and a nuke is on board, we're all dead. It will trigger a chain of events that will kill us all.

Are Am Eye

What will detect US aircraft entering korean airspace?

howamidifferent

Are Am Eye wrote: »

What will detect US aircraft entering korean airspace?

Chinese radar?

Beta Ray Bill

Are Am Eye wrote: »

What will detect US aircraft entering korean airspace?

howamidifferent wrote: »

Chinese radar?

Bingo!

Also have you ever heard how loud a plane travelling beyond the speed of sound is?
It's the one thing no stealth tech can hide.