Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

Cactusmania · 01-05-2018 04:41PM

Milkman.. wrote: »

What's the difference between turas nua and seetac/jobpath?

I was made unemployed recently and have an appointment with jobpath

Jobpath is the name of the scheme. Turas Nua operate in some parts of the country, Seetac in others.

blowin3 · 02-05-2018 08:51AM

Thanks all for the invaluable information here. I will go to their meeting today and listen to their presentation but I will refuse to sign their PPP. If they insist I will tell them my solicitor will need to check it before I put a signature on it.

Wanderer78 · 02-05-2018 09:06AM

Wanderer78 wrote:

Create a new email address, if you have already shared your existing address with turas Nua, continue to use it, but only exclusively during the process, i.e. consider creating a new address exclusively for personal use, and delete the turas Nua address upon completion.

Wanderer78 wrote:

Record and save all communications with turas Nua, secretly if possible, including phone calls.

Wanderer78 wrote:

At beginning of the process, you will be assigned a one on one person, they will begin by asking you a questionnaire, which will include work related questions and activities but also personal questions, some very personal. If needs be, lie!

Wanderer78 wrote:

If you find full time employment yourself, without the help of turas Nua, and have completely signed off welfare, ignore all communications from them thereafter.

Wanderer78 wrote:

Get a new phone/SIM, in your case, you may need to get a new personal phone/SIM, and to transfer all your personal communications to this new phone/SIM, and only use your old phone/SIM for turas Nua communications. Discard this phone/SIM upon completion of the turas Nua/joppath process.

blowin3 wrote:

Thanks all for the invaluable information here. I will go to their meeting today and listen to their presentation but I will refuse to sign their PPP. If they insist I will tell them my solicitor will need to check it before I put a signature on it.

I've posted my turas Nua survival guide (above) before, best of luck

meil1 · 02-05-2018 11:58AM

Just got out of induction meeting. Was told to sign PPP. Said I had no issue signing the first part but didnt agree to data protection.

Was told it was all or nothing I either sign it all or none of it. If I dont sign it all it would count as non-engagement. I said I was willing to engage in whatever they wanted but was told I had to sign it all or it would be classed as non - engagement.

Sent me away with an unsigned copy of the PPP and told me to take it away and think about it, I could come back tomorrow to sign (but it had to be within 24 hours)

Is it all bluffs or are they lying? I repeatedly said ill sign the first part but not the data protection part.

splinter65 · 02-05-2018 01:11PM

meil1 wrote: »

Just got out of induction meeting. Was told to sign PPP. Said I had no issue signing the first part but didnt agree to data protection.

Was told it was all or nothing I either sign it all or none of it. If I dont sign it all it would count as non-engagement. I said I was willing to engage in whatever they wanted but was told I had to sign it all or it would be classed as non - engagement.

Sent me away with an unsigned copy of the PPP and told me to take it away and think about it, I could come back tomorrow to sign (but it had to be within 24 hours)

Is it all bluffs or are they lying? I repeatedly said ill sign the first part but not the data protection part.

You’ve been told here by several anonymous posters that you don’t need to sign it. It’s your call.

blowin3 · 02-05-2018 02:09PM

splinter65 wrote: »

You’ve been told here by several anonymous posters that you don’t need to sign it. It’s your call.

I was told as I had signed one in December I did not need to resign. They were ok and offered me courses etc. But as I am nearly working full time they said they would keep in touch.

LegacyUser · 02-05-2018 07:05PM

Have a look through the relevant parts of this Senate debate (if you have the patience) https://www.kildarestreet.com/sendebates/?id=2017-12-13a.121

In response to a senator Alice Mary Higgins’ questions, I think Regina Doherty may be admitting that (c (see below)) the jobseeker can decline to share some personal information within the PPP form*, and (d (see below)) the JobPath company does not really have to be told the contact details of the employer. Also, she says that it “not a legally binding document” (for what that’s worth)

Excerpt from AMH’s proposed amendments:

“(c)prohibition on any text requiring an individual to share data in respect of family members or cohabitees;

(d)prohibition of any text requiring an individual to share contact information, or permit contact, in respect of any employer who has offered that individual employment independently of the third party;”

Re (a)
RD: “...if a person does not want to share that information with his or her personal adviser, then the person need not do so. There is no part of the personal progression plan that says a person cannot move to part B if he or she does not share certain information. It does not exist. From an adviser's perspective, this is generally only part of developing the relationship to learn what are the barriers to jobseekers achieving full employment.”)

AMH: “Can the Minister confirm that no person should be subject to a sanction from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection because he or she refused to sign a personal progression plan which contains the kinds of information in paragraphs (c) and (d) without the person's agreement?”
RD: “Yes. It should not happen.”

Also:
RD: “Let me confirm that the personal progression plan is not a contract. It is not a legally binding document. It is not something that can be forced.”
(--maybe the last word was intended as “enforced”?)

And:
RD: “... To be absolutely categorically clear, it is not a legally-binding document. If somebody wishes, he or she may take it home and talk to their mother, friend or partner about what is in the progression plan.”
AMH: “And suggest amendments, if necessary.”
RD: “Yes, absolutely. It is all about helping the person. It is not about being prescriptive because no two people and their pathways or barriers to work will be exactly the same. ...”
--whether this means the jobseeker can make changes for their own document, or just suggest changes to the JobPath provider /DSP is not clear, though!

Milkman.. · 04-05-2018 03:59PM

I'm meeting these next week and hoping they'll arrange relevant interviews.

I'm a single parent .What are their expectations in terms of travel to work?

I don't want them sending me halfway round the country to a job paying less than the going rate just to get me off the register

refusetolose · 04-05-2018 04:10PM

Milkman.. wrote: »

I'm meeting these next week and hoping they'll arrange relevant interviews.

I'm a single parent .What are their expectations in terms of travel to work?

I don't want them sending me halfway round the country to a job paying less than the going rate just to get me off the register

if you have a car then a few miles

if no car then one bus journey

don't let them walk all over you

Wanderer78 · 04-05-2018 04:51PM

Milkman.. wrote:

I don't want them sending me halfway round the country to a job paying less than the going rate just to get me off the register

refusetolose wrote:

if you have a car then a few miles

refusetolose wrote:

if no car then one bus journey

refusetolose wrote:

don't let them walk all over you

Lie to them about being able to drive

Milkman.. · 04-05-2018 06:55PM

Are there any clear rules about travel distance?

I'd be happy to travel a reasonable distance to get work

NinetyTwoTeam · 07-05-2018 05:13PM

Milkman.. wrote: »

Are there any clear rules about travel distance?

I'd be happy to travel a reasonable distance to get work

they can't force you to take any job no matter where or threaten to cut anything for any reason other than not showing up to their meetings. they might let you know about a job in a location but that's all, you're not obligated to go for it if you think it's unsuitable for any reason.

i wouldn't worry too much. i'm on my next to last meeting this week and I haven't been referred to a single job the whole 11 months.

correction, I was notified of one, two months ago, and this is the icing on the cake... the job going was to be an employment advisor with Jobpath! you couldn't write it!

unfortunately, the location was on the other side of the county in a tiny town, and i don't have a car or license. which my EA was aware of. when i said that to her I was told 'oh i know, i just thought I'd mention it since you said you weren't happy that we hadn't referred you to any jobs in the past nine months.'

i then asked why she thought i would be suitable for that role anyway, since i don't have any experience in the area of recruitment. she repled, 'well neither did I before I started here.'

so there you have it people, it's the blind leading the blind here and just like any of these schemes the only ones getting jobs out of it are the ones who are running the schemes/scams. it's disgusting.

Milkman.. · 07-05-2018 05:47PM

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

they can't force you to take any job no matter where or threaten to cut anything for any reason other than not showing up to their meetings. they might let you know about a job in a location but that's all, you're not obligated to go for it if you think it's unsuitable for any reason.

i wouldn't worry too much. i'm on my next to last meeting this week and I haven't been referred to a single job the whole 11 months.

correction, I was notified of one, two months ago, and this is the icing on the cake... the job going was to be an employment advisor with Jobpath! you couldn't write it!

unfortunately, the location was on the other side of the county in a tiny town, and i don't have a car or license. which my EA was aware of. when i said that to her I was told 'oh i know, i just thought I'd mention it since you said you weren't happy that we hadn't referred you to any jobs in the past nine months.'

i then asked why she thought i would be suitable for that role anyway, since i don't have any experience in the area of recruitment. she repled, 'well neither did I before I started here.'

so there you have it people, it's the blind leading the blind here and just like any of these schemes the only ones getting jobs out of it are the ones who are running the schemes/scams. it's disgusting.

That's good

So you you have the right to decide if a job is suitable or not for yourself?

I thought maybe you had to take anything they throw at you or risk getting your money stopped .I'm only out of work a few weeks .

Murdoc90 · 11-05-2018 08:53AM

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

they can't force you to take any job no matter where or threaten to cut anything for any reason other than not showing up to their meetings. they might let you know about a job in a location but that's all, you're not obligated to go for it if you think it's unsuitable for any reason.

i wouldn't worry too much. i'm on my next to last meeting this week and I haven't been referred to a single job the whole 11 months.

correction, I was notified of one, two months ago, and this is the icing on the cake... the job going was to be an employment advisor with Jobpath! you couldn't write it!

unfortunately, the location was on the other side of the county in a tiny town, and i don't have a car or license. which my EA was aware of. when i said that to her I was told 'oh i know, i just thought I'd mention it since you said you weren't happy that we hadn't referred you to any jobs in the past nine months.'

i then asked why she thought i would be suitable for that role anyway, since i don't have any experience in the area of recruitment. she repled, 'well neither did I before I started here.'

so there you have it people, it's the blind leading the blind here and just like any of these schemes the only ones getting jobs out of it are the ones who are running the schemes/scams. it's disgusting.

Not surprising re lack of experience, I know a barman who got a job in there because he had a friend working in there!

Murdoc90 · 11-05-2018 08:56AM

Milkman.. wrote: »

That's good

So you you have the right to decide if a job is suitable or not for yourself?

I thought maybe you had to take anything they throw at you or risk getting your money stopped .I'm only out of work a few weeks .

They will try and force it on you and talk you into it but ultimately it's your decision. So if it's not suitable make sure you let them know and don't budge. Some of the sh*te they tried to get me to apply for completely unsuitable. They have no idea what they are doing!

Wanderer78 · 11-05-2018 09:00AM

Murdoc90 wrote:

They will try and force it on you and talk you into it but ultimately it's your decision. So if it's not suitable make sure you let them know and don't budge. Some of the sh*te they tried to get me to apply for completely unsuitable. They have no idea what they are doing!

Oh they know what they're doing alright

peadar76 · 11-05-2018 09:09AM

I never had any dealings with Turas Nua, but had a missed call from them a few weeks back. Googled the number and found out it was them. I am in full time employment. I was on the dole for about 9 months back in 2011. I didn't bother ringing them back.

Why would they be calling me and where would they have got my number?

Wanderer78 · 11-05-2018 09:12AM

peadar76 wrote:

Why would they be calling me and where would they have got my number?

Can't answer those questions, but most definitely, don't ring back, life's too short. Did welfare have your number?

peadar76 · 11-05-2018 04:57PM

Oh I have no intention of ringing them back. Never heard of them till I googled the number.

I don't know if welfare have my number, I suppose they could have

Kk333 · 21-05-2018 05:25PM

splinter65 wrote: »

You absolutely do not understand anything about Jobseekers.
In order to qualify for Jobseekers you must be :
1. Fit for
2.Available for
3.Looking for
Full time work.
Those are some of the conditions you have to meet to get a Jobseekers payment.
If someone is referred to TN and they walk in and say to a member of staff “I can’t work because I’m too sick” then TN must tell SW because that person is not eligible for Jobseekers.
That person has disqualified themselves from Jobseekers by declaring that they are not “fit for work”. That person should be on Disabilty Allowance.
The same applies to the other scenarios I described.
Do you understand now?

They have to have oceans of medical evidence to be on disability allowance and it takes months and probably a first time refusal. But this lad can say for sure "this person should be on disability allowance" haha.

splinter65 · 21-05-2018 09:01PM

Kk333 wrote: »

They have to have oceans of medical evidence to be on disability allowance and it takes months and probably a first time refusal. But this lad can say for sure "this person should be on disability allowance" haha.

Yes you need evidence of course to be granted DA. If you didn’t need evidence it would be ridiculous.
Yes it takes months but doesn’t necessarily mean a first time refusal.
But you can’t get JSA if you are too sick for work and you can get SWA while you’re waiting for your DA to be processed.

Wanderer78 · 21-05-2018 09:03PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Yes you need evidence of course to be granted DA. If you didn’t need evidence it would be ridiculous.
Yes it takes months but doesn’t necessarily mean a first time refusal.
But you can’t get JSA if you are too sick for work and you can get SWA while you’re waiting for your DA to be processed.

what does 'too sick' mean, and who classifies this?

meil1 · 04-07-2018 04:52PM

so I refused to sign the PPP.

Got sent back to SW with a "refusal to engage" . Have since spoken to SW deciding officer who told me he doesnt care what I sign as long as Im willing to engage and that only HE can decide about payments being stopped etc.

I have since had another meeting with Turas Nua which they asked outright "Are u still unwilling to sign" and "are you willing to engage with us".

I said yes to both and they said ok well organise your next appointment. I dont understand how they can be if I have refused to sign the data protection portion of the form?

splinter65 · 04-07-2018 08:44PM

meil1 wrote: »

so I refused to sign the PPP.

Got sent back to SW with a "refusal to engage" . Have since spoken to SW deciding officer who told me he doesnt care what I sign as long as Im willing to engage and that only HE can decide about payments being stopped etc.

I have since had another meeting with Turas Nua which they asked outright "Are u still unwilling to sign" and "are you willing to engage with us".

I said yes to both and they said ok well organise your next appointment. I dont understand how they can be if I have refused to sign the data protection portion of the form?

You don’t understand how they can be what? Sorry I don’t understand your post.

Cactusmania · 05-07-2018 08:56AM

meil1 wrote: »

so I refused to sign the PPP.

Got sent back to SW with a "refusal to engage" . Have since spoken to SW deciding officer who told me he doesnt care what I sign as long as Im willing to engage and that only HE can decide about payments being stopped etc.

I have since had another meeting with Turas Nua which they asked outright "Are u still unwilling to sign" and "are you willing to engage with us".

I said yes to both and they said ok well organise your next appointment. I dont understand how they can be if I have refused to sign the data protection portion of the form?

From my experience, it doesn't mean anything. I was initially dropped from Turas Nua after refusing to sign the PPP. My adviser was shocked when I told them the case office said you don't have to sign it. Fast forward about 3 weeks later, I get a letter to go to TN appointment, where my adviser has a completely different tone, acting as if nothing happened. They asked me for a copy of my CV and to fill in a list of jobs applied for. I brought those in at next appointment and they were happy. My adviser said they would not give me a new appointment there and then, as I had asked TN for approval for SW to refer me for some CE schemes, which they did, no questions asked. They said they would issue a letter with appointment in the coming weeks... no sign of it yet, and it's 3 weeks later.

SW have obviously told Turas Nua/Seetec NOT to drop people who don't sign the PPP. In my case, TN have totally changed their attitude, In the beginning, they were insistent you sign it in order to engage(they even showed me their computer screen which said in big red letters "CLIENT DISENGAGED", but don't even mention it now. BTW, I know for sure I haven't signed the PPP, because recently I contacted SW about the CE schemes, and was told "I see you have signed a PPP with Turas Nua".

So, it looks like you going to have to put up with it, unfortunately.

emilymemily · 15-07-2018 02:07AM

Hi everyone ive just been reading through this thread and found it very interesting and informative.
Ive recently completed my teacher training a couple of weeks ago and signed on job seekers, within the week I was sent a letter to attend a jobpath meeting. I wasnt really sure what it was but went along anyway and afterwards met with my employment advisor. I was looking forward to engaging with her as I had a case worker a few years ago and she was unbelievably helpful and kind.

When I met the jobpath employment advisor I instantly had a bad feeling, she was 'nice', she didnt say or do anything negative at that stage but I just got a bad vibe from her, if you know what I mean. I put it to the back of my mind and gave her the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, before long I realised my gut instinct was right, she as an absolute Kunt and thats putting it nicely. She made me feel like a criminal or like I was doing something wrong. I have some temporary teaching work coming up, I informed social welfare and everything is above board. She was so nasty and condescending, started questioning me about the job like I was lying about something, kept trying to catch me out, twisting my words and made some personal comments. She also asked me how much id be earning in this temp employment, I didnt tell her but she kept trying to get an answer out of me, I told her I didnt know and I could see at the corner of my eye another seetac employer at the desk adjacent to us looking over.

Anyway I came home and did a bit of research and I have some concerns. Whats a PPP? I signed many things and dont know what they were.
If you get a job and they keep contacting you, what happens if you ignore them?
Can they find out your employer details without you telling them?
Can they force you into employment that you dont want? As a newly qualified teacher its very likely that ill be on part time contracts with periods of unemployment for the foreseeable future. I have to be available for any teaching work that comes up as to secure teaching work as an NQT youve got to network, get as much experience as possible and get your name in as many ETBs and schools as possible so if a full time position does come up in a school youve subbed in, the principle knows you and will consider you for the roll. I cant do this if im forced into a minimum wage retail job.
If I continue to get spurts of short term employment how will this effect jobpath and my appointments? Can they take credit for the jobs I get?

I like to add she didnt know anything about teaching jobs, she didnt ask me what area im trained in but put me down for primary and secondary school teaching. (im trained in neither area) She then began looking for teaching jobs on the jobsireland website. (Jobs ireland dont advertise teaching jobs) So clearly she has no clue what shes doing.

Wanderer78 · 15-07-2018 08:05AM

emilymemily wrote:

Hi everyone ive just been reading through this thread and found it very interesting and informative. Ive recently completed my teacher training a couple of weeks ago and signed on job seekers, within the week I was sent a letter to attend a jobpath meeting. I wasnt really sure what it was but went along anyway and afterwards met with my employment advisor. I was looking forward to engaging with her as I had a case worker a few years ago and she was unbelievably helpful and kind.

Be very careful here, again, turas Nua are not there to help you, my own advice still stands:

If possible, create a new email address, use this address exclusively for turas Nua and nothing else, if you have provided them with your personal email address, you may need to consider abandoning that address upon completion of the process, or maybe just permanently blocking turas Nua emails. Delete the new address if you follow that route, upon completion.

Under no circumstances give them your private phone number, if you have, you may need to consider obtaining a new private number, and use your old number exclusively for turas Nua. Discard the turas Nua number upon completion.

Record everything, including phone calls and all conversations held with turas Nua staff, your phone can be useful here.

If needs be, lie to them.

Do not tell them of employment you have obtained yourself, do not give them your employers details.

If you eventually sign off, ignore all communications thereafter from turas Nua.

Best of luck

splinter65 · 15-07-2018 08:55AM

make absolutely sure you remember when posting on Boards looking for advice that the answers come from random anonymous strangers in cyberspace.
1. Boards do not and will not take any responsibilty for the consequences of any advice you decide to take.
2. Some people post in this forum and they genuinely think they are helping you but the information and advice they give is outdated or just wrong “my sisters best friends brother in law said” or “when I applied in 1998..”
3. some people have a serious gripe against SW and in particular at Jobseekers and Jobpath and Turas Nua and want the narrative in these threads to stick to their agenda.
Go to your local Citizens Information Centre tomorrow and ask to speak to an information officer. He or she will properly help you to organize to be assigned a mentor you find less antagonistic then the current one.
Everybody in receipt of Jobseekers is obliged to meet the conditions but here from the welfare website is the nitty gritty as it applies to you.
Suitable full-time employment

The person must be available for suitable full-time employment. In determining what constitutes "full-time" employment regard should be had to the normal working week (or normal working pattern) in the employment for which the person is holding him/herself available.

When deciding whether the person is available for suitable full-time employment, the Deciding Officer should take into account:-

the person's skills, qualifications and experience,
the length of time that the person has been unemployed;
and
the availability of job vacancies in the locality.
The Deciding Officer should have particular regard to the period of unemployment when deciding on availability. A person who has recently become unemployed (e.g. within the last 3 months) would be regarded as available where s/he is seeking to become re-employed in his/her usual employment, provided there is a reasonable prospect of this. However, if it was immediately obvious that there was no employment available within a specialised field in the local area, the person could be expected to broaden the search - either to a wider area or to other types of employment within a shorter period.

emilymemily · 15-07-2018 03:03PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Be very careful here, again, turas Nua are not there to help you, my own advice still stands:

If possible, create a new email address, use this address exclusively for turas Nua and nothing else, if you have provided them with your personal email address, you may need to consider abandoning that address upon completion of the process, or maybe just permanently blocking turas Nua emails. Delete the new address if you follow that route, upon completion.

Under no circumstances give them your private phone number, if you have, you may need to consider obtaining a new private number, and use your old number exclusively for turas Nua. Discard the turas Nua number upon completion.

Record everything, including phone calls and all conversations held with turas Nua staff, your phone can be useful here.

If needs be, lie to them.

Do not tell them of employment you have obtained yourself, do not give them your employers details.

If you eventually sign off, ignore all communications thereafter from turas Nua.

Best of luck

Im not involved with turas Nua? Not sure where you got that from? My old employment advisor was part of the jobs club. She was really nice and I could talk to her about my options without feeling like I had to watch everything I said (even though I wasnt doing anything wrong).

Im worried because I signed the PPP. Im seeing loads of post saying not to sign it and its really bad but no ones said WHY its bad. What happens when you sign it? what rights does it give them?

emilymemily · 15-07-2018 06:40PM

splinter65 wrote: »

make absolutely sure you remember when posting on Boards looking for advice that the answers come from random anonymous strangers in cyberspace.
1. Boards do not and will not take any responsibilty for the consequences of any advice you decide to take.
2. Some people post in this forum and they genuinely think they are helping you but the information and advice they give is outdated or just wrong “my sisters best friends brother in law said” or “when I applied in 1998..”
3. some people have a serious gripe against SW and in particular at Jobseekers and Jobpath and Turas Nua and want the narrative in these threads to stick to their agenda.
Go to your local Citizens Information Centre tomorrow and ask to speak to an information officer. He or she will properly help you to organize to be assigned a mentor you find less antagonistic then the current one.
Everybody in receipt of Jobseekers is obliged to meet the conditions but here from the welfare website is the nitty gritty as it applies to you.
Suitable full-time employment

The person must be available for suitable full-time employment. In determining what constitutes "full-time" employment regard should be had to the normal working week (or normal working pattern) in the employment for which the person is holding him/herself available.

When deciding whether the person is available for suitable full-time employment, the Deciding Officer should take into account:-

the person's skills, qualifications and experience,
the length of time that the person has been unemployed;
and
the availability of job vacancies in the locality.
The Deciding Officer should have particular regard to the period of unemployment when deciding on availability. A person who has recently become unemployed (e.g. within the last 3 months) would be regarded as available where s/he is seeking to become re-employed in his/her usual employment, provided there is a reasonable prospect of this. However, if it was immediately obvious that there was no employment available within a specialised field in the local area, the person could be expected to broaden the search - either to a wider area or to other types of employment within a shorter period.

Thanks yes I understand some people posting may have an Axe to grind but my first meeting was so awful that I fully believe whats been said.

The employment advisor is a bully. She got on my bad side within the first 30 minutes of meeting her.
Im friendly to everyone, I always give people the benefit of the doubt and put bad attitudes from staff down to having a bad day or hating their job, I respond politely and forget about it but this woman really got under my skin, ive worked in Youthreach with abusive teenagers and have dealt with all kinds of negative behavior throughout my placements from students and staff, I can handle people very well and dont take these things to heart but she is a special case. Believe me it takes allot to push me and she managed it in under half an hour. I know exactly what to make of her and I dont like her.

My concern is if I complain or ask to change advisor it will effect my money or they'll make life difficult for me through signing me up for jobs and courses in retail and other jobs unrelated to my degree.

Also youve mentioned that people may be sharing experiences that happened along time ago, jobpath is a new scheme in Ireland so I feel these shared experiences are relevant.

I am available for full time work, im not lying about that but as im an NQT I will not walk into a full time job straight out of college, thats not realistic, there is currently a crisis in the teaching sector and most, if not all NQT's are on temporary and part time contracts with periods of unemployment and sign on when not working.
I worked long and hard for my qualifications to gain employment in an area that I love without being forced out of the profession before ive even received my exam results.

Im quite capable of searching for jobs myself without their 'help' - as I said previously, she doesnt even know where to look for teaching jobs, theyre posted on very specific websites yet she searched on jobs ireland. If she doesnt know something as basic as that, how on earth is she assigned to help graduates find employment? And then, to top it all off, she will get the credit and a nice little bonus when I find work myself which I am trying to do and had been doing anyway.

Turas Nua, Beware, understand what you may be getting into.

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