Scientific study shows students that smoke cannabis have lower grades and higher fail

Oranage2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/25/these-college-students-lost-access-to-legal-pot-and-started-getting-better-grades/?utm_term=.f217bebbdbd0

So scientists have proved what we all knew already, smoking cannabis will affect your intelligence and education.

How will the legalise cannabis brigade defend this?

My 2 cents, cannabis is not some miracle cure all drug the pro-side hippies try to say it is. It's a very dangerous nercotic with strong links to mental illness. Whatever if you want to smoke your brains out at home, I don't care, but this drug should stay illegal in order to protect the young people of this nation. It's dangerous and should not be easily excessible to young people.

elefant

Oranage2 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/25/these-college-students-lost-access-to-legal-pot-and-started-getting-better-grades/?utm_term=.f217bebbdbd0
It's dangerous and should not be easily excessible to young people.

Another one.

It's already easily accessible. It would be less easily accessible if it was sold in heavily regulated dispensaries to over 18s, rather than by shady guys on street corners to anyone with some cash.

Allinall

And in other news, a survey has found that fat people tend to eat more than thin people.

tomwaterford

elefant wrote: »

Another one.

It's already easily accessible. It would be less easily accessible if it was sold in heavily regulated dispensaries to over 18s, rather than by shady guys on street corners to anyone with some cash.

Because those shady Guys would just stop??

elefant

tomwaterford wrote: »

Because those shady Guys would just stop??

They're in it for the money, not out of the goodness of their hearts.

511

Strong links to mental illness because your inhaling the fumes from oil, petrol and diesel, which were absorbed into to resin when it was snuck into the country in tanks. Not to mention the other impurities gangs put into drugs to increase their profits. They're going to buy it anyway, might as well give them non-contaminated cannabis and perhaps raise the age to 21 or 23.

VinLieger

Cus prohibition worked so well last time it was tried on something and the war on drugs could only be described as a resounding success..... /sarcasm

The_Valeyard

So the stoners fail college, no loss. They can always pick up the jobs the rest in society dont want.

Rikand

A fella I went to college with smoked all day every day. He was first in his class and has a very VERY successful career now.

MRnotlob606

Oranage2 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/25/these-college-students-lost-access-to-legal-pot-and-started-getting-better-grades/?utm_term=.f217bebbdbd0

So scientists have proved what we all knew already, smoking cannabis will affect your intelligence and education.

How will the legalise cannabis brigade defend this?

My 2 cents, cannabis is not some miracle cure all drug the pro-side hippies try to say it is. It's a very dangerous nercotic with strong links to mental illness. Whatever if you want to smoke your brains out at home, I don't care, but this drug should stay illegal in order to protect the young people of this nation. It's dangerous and should not be easily excessible to young people.

Just because is had bad side effects doesn't mean it should illegal. If that's the case you should also be in favour of banning, Alchohol, fags,etc. This legal paternalism is idiotic and unsustainable.

Rumpy Pumpy

Rikand wrote: »

A fella I went to college with smoked all day every day. He was first in his class and has a very VERY successful career now.

There will always be exceptions. Most stoners amount to nothing.

RobbingBandit

Stopped at nercotic, you got some splainin to do OP.

Riesen_Meal

Sure your brain hasn't fully developed until you turn 18, of course smoking cannabis would be detrimental to your studies...

Senna

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

There will always be exceptions. Most stoners amount to nothing.

Would these stoners ever have amounted to anything if they didn't start smoking dope?
Of maybe the dregs of society are attracted to excessive drug use and they will always be nothing, the drugs are just a byproduct.

Fr_Dougal

511 wrote: »

Strong links to mental illness because your inhaling the fumes from oil, petrol and diesel, which were absorbed into to resin when it was snuck into the country in tanks. Not to mention the other impurities gangs put into drugs to increase their profits. They're going to buy it anyway, might as well give them non-contaminated cannabis and perhaps raise the age to 21 or 23.

Common sense approach, like the idea of having a legal age of 23; at least it shouldn't interfere too much with development.

Rikand wrote: »

A fella I went to college with smoked all day every day. He was first in his class and has a very VERY successful career now.

For every one success, I can guarantee you there are 100's of failures.

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/25/these-college-students-lost-access-to-legal-pot-and-started-getting-better-grades/?utm_term=.f217bebbdbd0

So scientists have proved what we all knew already, smoking cannabis will affect your intelligence and education.

How will the legalise cannabis brigade defend this?

My 2 cents, cannabis is not some miracle cure all drug the pro-side hippies try to say it is. It's a very dangerous nercotic with strong links to mental illness. Whatever if you want to smoke your brains out at home, I don't care, but this drug should stay illegal in order to protect the young people of this nation. It's dangerous and should not be easily excessible to young people.

Yo OP
What is your definition of a scientist?

This paper was written by two economists "Economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz"

I take issue with the articles first line "The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization "
No where in the article does it support the claim that this is the most rigorous study of anything.


Later the article claims " But marijuana policy researcher Rosalie Pacula of RAND Corporation noted that the Maastricht study provide evidence that “is much better than anything done so far in the United States.”"

What has she to do with the original paper?

Who is the Rand corporation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation


TLDR article about a paper written by two economists offers headline with huge claim. Yet no supporting evidence offered in article.


Haha what a crap article, this thing is worse than some of the pseudoscience claims i have seen in support of medical marijuana.

Zubeneschamali

Oranage2 wrote: »

How will the legalise cannabis brigade defend this?

Not studying and skipping lectures causes people to have lower grades and higher fail rates. Do you want to make those illegal?

seenitall

Rikand wrote: »

A fella I went to college with smoked all day every day. He was first in his class and has a very VERY successful career now.

Same here, I've never really hung out with stoners as I've never smoked myself, but somehow in my student days I made a friend who was smoking pot every day, he even cultivated a cute-looking plant at his house.

Nowadays, he is one of the main architects (I don't quite get that part, he didn't study architecture ...) for a huge telecommunications company. (The name of which sounds a bit like the OP's username.)

And he is still into his prohibited substances!

gramar

Wesser

Jesus I could have told you that without having to do any study!!!!

RobbieTheRobber

I'd be interested to know why the Rand corporation hasn't used Colorado as a case study for the most extensive research into actual marijuana legalization.

Especially seeing as they are us Government body and Colorado is a US state.

Oranage2

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/25/these-college-students-lost-access-to-legal-pot-and-started-getting-better-grades/?utm_term=.f217bebbdbd0

So scientists have proved what we all knew already, smoking cannabis will affect your intelligence and education.

How will the legalise cannabis brigade defend this?

My 2 cents, cannabis is not some miracle cure all drug the pro-side hippies try to say it is. It's a very dangerous nercotic with strong links to mental illness. Whatever if you want to smoke your brains out at home, I don't care, but this drug should stay illegal in order to protect the young people of this nation. It's dangerous and should not be easily excessible to young people.

Yo OP
What is your definition of a scientist?

This paper was written by two economists "Economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz"

I take issue with the articles first line "The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization "
No where in the article does it support the claim that this is the most rigorous study of anything.


Later the article claims " But marijuana policy researcher Rosalie Pacula of RAND Corporation noted that the Maastricht study provide evidence that “is much better than anything done so far in the United States.”"

What has she to do with the original paper?

Who is the Rand corporation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation


TLDR article about a paper written by two economists offers headline with huge claim. Yet no supporting evidence offered in article.


Haha what a crap article, this thing is worse than some of the pseudoscience claims i have seen in support of medical marijuana.

So the whole study is all bull because they exaggerated a bit and some nonprofit liked their study?

Come on man. Students will do much worse if they smoke cannabis, yes that's obvious, but now there's a study to prove it.

I just hope these pro cannabis people admit the drug is dangerous and has some serious consequences, not this miracle drug they are trying to promote.

I know this 1 article won't be enough to change much but hopefully it will educate and make some young people aware of the dangers.

dont bother

Oranage2 wrote: »

So the whole study is all bull because they exaggerated a bit and some nonprofit liked their study?

Come on man. Students will do much worse if they smoke cannabis, yes that's obvious, but now there's a study to prove it.

I just hope these pro cannabis people admit the drug is dangerous and has some serious consequences, not this miracle drug they are trying to promote.

I know this 1 article won't be enough to change much but hopefully it will educate and make some young people aware of the dangers.

well OP if it affects peoples intelligence, then by the looks of things, you must have been smoking bongs of the stuff.

this whole thread and idea behind the thread is ridiculous.

why dont you go and spout all of this nonsense to the parents of children with dravets syndrome or severe epilepsy who's children would probably be in a horrific condition if they didnt give them cannabis oil.

you are completely wrong. the reality of what you're saying cuold be:

Science proves that students who drink alcohol regularly have lower grades...

it's stupid.
this whole thread and "study" just proves to me that the anti-cannabis brigade are actually the stupid ones who havent a clue and maybe the herb could open their tiny minds that the world doesnt revolve around them and their tiny sh!te opinions.

The_Valeyard

dont bother wrote: »

well OP if it affects peoples intelligence, then by the looks of things, you must have been smoking bongs of the stuff.

this whole thread and idea behind the thread is ridiculous.

why dont you go and spout all of this nonsense to the parents of children with dravets syndrome or severe epilepsy who's children would probably be in a horrific condition if they didnt give them cannabis oil.

you are completely wrong. the reality of what you're saying cuold be:

Science proves that students who drink alcohol regularly have lower grades...

it's stupid.
this whole thread and "study" just proves to me that the anti-cannabis brigade are actually the stupid ones who havent a clue and maybe the herb could open their tiny minds that the world doesnt revolve around them and their tiny sh!te opinions.

I wish I was as edgy as you.

Oranage2

dont bother wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

So the whole study is all bull because they exaggerated a bit and some nonprofit liked their study?

Come on man. Students will do much worse if they smoke cannabis, yes that's obvious, but now there's a study to prove it.

I just hope these pro cannabis people admit the drug is dangerous and has some serious consequences, not this miracle drug they are trying to promote.

I know this 1 article won't be enough to change much but hopefully it will educate and make some young people aware of the dangers.

well OP if it affects peoples intelligence, then by the looks of things, you must have been smoking bongs of the stuff.

this whole thread and idea behind the thread is ridiculous.

why dont you go and spout all of this nonsense to the parents of children with dravets syndrome or severe epilepsy who's children would probably be in a horrific condition if they didnt give them cannabis oil.

you are completely wrong. the reality of what you're saying cuold be:

Science proves that students who drink alcohol regularly have lower grades...

it's stupid.
this whole thread and "study" just proves to me that the anti-cannabis brigade are actually the stupid ones who havent a clue and maybe the herb could open their tiny minds that the world doesnt revolve around them and their tiny sh!te opinions.

I'm not here to debate epilepsy and treatment, to be honest, I know nothing about it, also the medical world has very little knowledge of the long term affects of medical cannabis use even though short term use may be positive. But nice of you to use sick infants to promote recreational use.

The stereotypical stoner we all imagine from excessive recreational use of the drug is becoming all too familiar.

Wanderer78

Getting bored of these drug threads, just legalise everything and let us all move on with our lives

Esho

Legalising cannabis would be the worst thing that could happen to young people.

Look at what Big Alcohol/ Big Tobacco did?

What would Big Cannabis do?

There does seem to be a case for medical cannabis - a friend in the states who lives in California was taken off her anxiety drug (which had some unwelcome side effects) and put on some kind of cannabis pills, and is a lot happier. Is on them for over a year now.

Also, there's been some media about parents going back and forward to Holland to get cannabis for the sake of their children.

I'm not a scientist, but in my scientific opinion, if someone spends all their time doing anything that isn't studying in college (sport, playstation, socialising, whatever), chances are they will do worse than others who spend all their time studying!

Wanderer78

Esho wrote:

Legalising cannabis would be the worst thing that could happen to young people.

So our current policies on illegal drugs is working?

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

So the whole study is all bull because they exaggerated a bit and some nonprofit liked their study?

Come on man. Students will do much worse if they smoke cannabis, yes that's obvious, but now there's a study to prove it.

I just hope these pro cannabis people admit the drug is dangerous and has some serious consequences, not this miracle drug they are trying to promote.

I know this 1 article won't be enough to change much but hopefully it will educate and make some young people aware of the dangers.

Hey don't call me man, Guy!

No your article isn't useful because there is nothing in it, not that there is mistakes but that there is not one single claim in the whole article that is supported by any evidence offered.

Now if you can find some actual data from the paper, then perhaps we can discuss that, but here is nothing in this article to support your Thread title or the articles title.

To borrow a phrase from another idiot "this is fake news"

Just one final question OP what are the dangers this article identifies?

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm not here to debate epilepsy and treatment, to be honest, I know nothing about it, also the medical world has very little knowledge of the long term affects of medical cannabis use even though short term use may be positive. But nice of you to use sick infants to promote recreational use.

The stereotypical stoner we all imagine from excessive recreational use of the drug is becoming all too familiar.

Yeah because everyone knows stereotypes are the best way to decide public policy! FACT

PS you know its true cause I is a scientist and I typed FACT after I typed that fact! FACT

Oranage2

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

So the whole study is all bull because they exaggerated a bit and some nonprofit liked their study?

Come on man. Students will do much worse if they smoke cannabis, yes that's obvious, but now there's a study to prove it.

I just hope these pro cannabis people admit the drug is dangerous and has some serious consequences, not this miracle drug they are trying to promote.

I know this 1 article won't be enough to change much but hopefully it will educate and make some young people aware of the dangers.

Hey don't call me man, Guy!

No your article isn't useful because there is nothing in it, not that there is mistakes but that there is not one single claim in the whole article that is supported by any evidence offered.

Now if you can find some actual data from the paper, then perhaps we can discuss that, but here is nothing in this article to support your Thread title or the articles title.

To borrow a phrase from another idiot "this is fake news"

Just one final question OP what are the dangers this article identifies?

The very first paragraph buddy.

"The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization has identified a disturbing result: College students with access to recreational cannabis on average earn worse grades and fail classes at a higher rate."

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

The very first paragraph buddy.

"The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization has identified a disturbing result: College students with access to recreational cannabis on average earn worse grades and fail classes at a higher rate."

:D:D:D:D

What was included in their study?
How were the results collected, how did they ensure validity of their test responses?
How did they set a baseline for grades to compare?

That sentence offers no prove of anything. here is an example of another such claim.

I am the greatest ever post on boards ever. I have conducted the most rigorous survey of boards ever to find this out.

VinLieger

Oranage2 wrote: »

The very first paragraph buddy.

"The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization has identified a disturbing result: College students with access to recreational cannabis on average earn worse grades and fail classes at a higher rate."

Is the thread over now that the OP has proven they haven't a clue what they are talking about?

Zubeneschamali

VinLieger wrote: »

Is the thread over now that the OP has proven they haven't a clue what they are talking about?

No, we will all mock the OP for a few days, start arguing with each other, get infractions and then all ragequit the thread.

Then it'll be over.

Oranage2

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

The very first paragraph buddy.

"The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization has identified a disturbing result: College students with access to recreational cannabis on average earn worse grades and fail classes at a higher rate."

:D:D:D:D

What was included in their study?
How were the results collected, how did they ensure validity of their test responses?
How did they set a baseline for grades to compare?

That sentence offers no prove of anything. here is an example of another such claim.

I am the greatest ever post on boards ever. I have conducted the most rigorous survey of boards ever to find this out.

There's a 43 page document in english very easy to find on the internet named high achieves written by economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz. So you can looks through it and find all the answers you need.

Tigger

The_Valeyard wrote: »

So the stoners fail college, no loss. They can always pick up the jobs the rest in society dont want.

hahahhahahhahah
you think that the stoners are the ones with crappy jobs?

eddiervp20

Don't smoke weed but I'm sure like most drugs it will affect your concentration.

But I know one thing is for certain is that I would much prefer to be stoned than pissed walking into a classroom.

But there is no call on alcohol to be banned.
Don't see many homeless people looking for money for "weed".
Alcohol is the biggest gateway drug but everyone chooses to ignore it.

donegaLroad

there is a legal high available in England and Northern Ireland called Magic Dragon, it is not legal in ROI but it has made its way into some schools in Donegal via the head shops in the North. A teacher in one of these schools was telling me that he sees some students coming into school under the influence of Magic Dragon and he puts it on a par with heroin. The kids are out of it for the day, and a hit costs as little as €3.

Stonerloner

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

There will always be exceptions. Most stoners amount to nothing.

We become trolls

donegaLroad

eddiervp20 wrote: »

Don't smoke weed but I'm sure like most drugs it will affect your concentration.

But I know one thing is for certain is that I would much prefer to be stoned than pissed walking into a classroom.

But there is no call on alcohol to be banned.
Don't see many homeless people looking for money for "weed".
Alcohol is the biggest gateway drug but everyone chooses to ignore it.

wait until they pile on the tax in the next budget !

bodice ripper

NERC!

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

There's a 43 page document in english very easy to find on the internet named high achieves written by economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz. So you can looks through it and find all the answers you need.

So you read this paper?
Care to offer any insights?

Perhaps they have a nice summary page which outlines how they collected their data you could point me at?

Rumpy Pumpy

What really irks non cannabis users is when stoners try and lump their addiction in with the medical usage lobby.

RobbieTheRobber

Oranage2 wrote: »

There's a 43 page document in english very easy to find on the internet named high achieves written by economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz. So you can looks through it and find all the answers you need.

Fúck me your some chancer.
Googled the paper.

This most rigorous study ever conducted has been cited 3 times since it was published in 2015 :D:D:D

Seems like it is well supported by the "science" community :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Hahaha I'm reading a bit of this study and even from my cursory glance at the introduction i can see this is worthless.

However you have taken a stance on this issue and this paper by two economists on the effects of drugs on student brains supports your personal conclusions. So despite offering nothing more scientific than average grades before and after a ban on selling to non dutch resident in the masstrict you have taken this as gospel.

:D

Have these two economist any other evidence to actually support a reduction in the use of marijuana other than the ban?

I don't think that other studies on banning drugs and reduction in use would support that correlation. Have you or these economists got some other evidence to think there is a natural correlation?

Joshua J

If only Keith Richards had laid off the gange he coulda been working in a factory like his da. A lot of art you enjoy is made by people who are off their tits. If the world wasn't dull enough already and you folk want to paint it grey.

Solomon Pleasant

I've witnessed the effects first hand of what excessive cannabis consumption can do to an individual. I think the drug is considerably more destructive and damaging than what people consider it to be.

It destroys motivation, affects academic performance very negatively, increases paranoia, can induce psychosis, can create sexual problems for males, reduce IQ and ultimately leads to a much lower standard of living.

What really shocks me is the financial side of it. I struggle to understand how people can spend their hard earned money on a drug which is so incredibly dangerous.

I'd also argue that the drug is addictive. I've witnessed people try to give it up - and fail. Perhaps it's more habitual in nature than additive but it's definitely not easy to quit when it's ingrained in someone's lifestyle. This drug can and does destroy lives when used excessively.

RobbieTheRobber

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I've witnessed the effects first hand of what excessive cannabis consumption can do to an individual. I think the drug is considerably more destructive and damaging than what people consider it to be.

It destroys motivation, affects academic performance very negatively, increases paranoia, can induce psychosis, can create sexual problems for males, reduce IQ and ultimately leads to a much lower standard of living.

What really shocks me is the financial side of it. I struggle to understand how people can spend their hard earned money on a drug which is so incredibly dangerous.

I'd also argue that the drug is addictive. I've witnessed people try to give it up - and fail. Perhaps it's more habitual in nature than additive but it's definitely not easy to quit when it's ingrained in someone's lifestyle. This drug can and does destroy lives.

I could change the subject of your post from cannabis to anything from pastimes to foods and it would still be valid.

BAN EVERYTHING

Addictive behaviors regardless of the topic are usually bad I think most will agree on that.

Sofiztikated

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

I've witnessed the effects first hand of what excessive cannabis alcohol consumption can do to an individual. I think the drug is considerably more destructive and damaging than what people consider it to be.

It destroys motivation, affects academic performance very negatively, increases paranoia, can induce psychosis, can create sexual problems for males, reduce IQ and ultimately leads to a much lower standard of living.

What really shocks me is the financial side of it. I struggle to understand how people can spend their hard earned money on a drug which is so incredibly dangerous.

I'd also argue that the drug is addictive. I've witnessed people try to give it up - and fail. Perhaps it's more habitual in nature than additive but it's definitely not easy to quit when it's ingrained in someone's lifestyle. This drug can and does destroy lives when used excessively.

So are you going to give up that G&T this weekend?

Solomon Pleasant

donegaLroad wrote: »

there is a legal high available in England and Northern Ireland called Magic Dragon, it is not legal in ROI but it has made its way into some schools in Donegal via the head shops in the North. A teacher in one of these schools was telling me that he sees some students coming into school under the influence of Magic Dragon and he puts it on a par with heroin. The kids are out of it for the day, and a hit costs as little as €3.

When I was in school that drug was a common way to pass time. The effects are much worse than plain old marijuana and, I suspect, more dangerous to someone's health. It's also quite widespread on nights out and easily accessible.

The majority of the people who consumed it were, for want of a better word, wasters.

Solomon Pleasant

Sofiztikated wrote: »

So are you going to give up that G&T this weekend?

I don't drink, and I'll be working all weekend anyway.

Nice attempt though.

RobbieTheRobber

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

When I was in school that drug was a common way to pass time. The effects are much worse than plain old marijuana and, I suspect, more dangerous to someone's health. It's also quite widespread on nights out and easily accessible.

The majority of the people who consumed it were, for want of a better word, wasters.

Stereotypes lose their power when the world is found to be more complex than the stereotype would suggest. When we learn that individuals do not fit the group stereotype, then it begins to fall apart.