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Scientific study shows students that smoke cannabis have lower grades and higher fail

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  • #32
    [Deleted User]
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The very first paragraph buddy.

    "The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization has identified a disturbing result: College students with access to recreational cannabis on average earn worse grades and fail classes at a higher rate."

    :D:D:D:D:D

    What was included in their study?
    How were the results collected, how did they ensure validity of their test responses?
    How did they set a baseline for grades to compare?

    That sentence offers no prove of anything. here is an example of another such claim.

    I am the greatest ever post on boards ever. I have conducted the most rigorous survey of boards ever to find this out.


  • #33
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The very first paragraph buddy.

    "The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization has identified a disturbing result: College students with access to recreational cannabis on average earn worse grades and fail classes at a higher rate."

    Is the thread over now that the OP has proven they haven't a clue what they are talking about?


  • #34
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Is the thread over now that the OP has proven they haven't a clue what they are talking about?

    No, we will all mock the OP for a few days, start arguing with each other, get infractions and then all ragequit the thread.

    Then it'll be over.


  • #35
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The very first paragraph buddy.

    "The most rigorous study yet of the effects of marijuana legalization has identified a disturbing result: College students with access to recreational cannabis on average earn worse grades and fail classes at a higher rate."

    :D:D:D:D:D

    What was included in their study?
    How were the results collected, how did they ensure validity of their test responses?
    How did they set a baseline for grades to compare?

    That sentence offers no prove of anything. here is an example of another such claim.

    I am the greatest ever post on boards ever. I have conducted the most rigorous survey of boards ever to find this out.

    There's a 43 page document in english very easy to find on the internet named high achieves written by economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz. So you can looks through it and find all the answers you need.


  • #36
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    So the stoners fail college, no loss. They can always pick up the jobs the rest in society dont want.

    hahahhahahhahah
    you think that the stoners are the ones with crappy jobs?


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  • #37
    eddiervp20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 ✭eddiervp20


    Don't smoke weed but I'm sure like most drugs it will affect your concentration.

    But I know one thing is for certain is that I would much prefer to be stoned than pissed walking into a classroom.

    But there is no call on alcohol to be banned.
    Don't see many homeless people looking for money for "weed".
    Alcohol is the biggest gateway drug but everyone chooses to ignore it.


  • #38
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    there is a legal high available in England and Northern Ireland called Magic Dragon, it is not legal in ROI but it has made its way into some schools in Donegal via the head shops in the North. A teacher in one of these schools was telling me that he sees some students coming into school under the influence of Magic Dragon and he puts it on a par with heroin. The kids are out of it for the day, and a hit costs as little as €3.


  • #39
    Stonerloner
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5 ✭Stonerloner


    Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »
    There will always be exceptions. Most stoners amount to nothing.

    We become trolls :)


  • #40
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    eddiervp20 wrote: »
    Don't smoke weed but I'm sure like most drugs it will affect your concentration.

    But I know one thing is for certain is that I would much prefer to be stoned than pissed walking into a classroom.

    But there is no call on alcohol to be banned.
    Don't see many homeless people looking for money for "weed".
    Alcohol is the biggest gateway drug but everyone chooses to ignore it.

    wait until they pile on the tax in the next budget !


  • #41
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    NERC!


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  • #42
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    There's a 43 page document in english very easy to find on the internet named high achieves written by economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz. So you can looks through it and find all the answers you need.

    So you read this paper?
    Care to offer any insights?

    Perhaps they have a nice summary page which outlines how they collected their data you could point me at?


  • #43
    Rumpy Pumpy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Rumpy Pumpy


    What really irks non cannabis users is when stoners try and lump their addiction in with the medical usage lobby.


  • #44
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    There's a 43 page document in english very easy to find on the internet named high achieves written by economists Olivier Marie and Ulf Zölitz. So you can looks through it and find all the answers you need.

    Fúck me your some chancer.
    Googled the paper.

    This most rigorous study ever conducted has been cited 3 times since it was published in 2015 :D:D:D:D

    Seems like it is well supported by the "science" community :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    Hahaha I'm reading a bit of this study and even from my cursory glance at the introduction i can see this is worthless.

    However you have taken a stance on this issue and this paper by two economists on the effects of drugs on student brains supports your personal conclusions. So despite offering nothing more scientific than average grades before and after a ban on selling to non dutch resident in the masstrict you have taken this as gospel.

    :D:D

    Have these two economist any other evidence to actually support a reduction in the use of marijuana other than the ban?

    I don't think that other studies on banning drugs and reduction in use would support that correlation. Have you or these economists got some other evidence to think there is a natural correlation?


  • #45
    Joshua J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    If only Keith Richards had laid off the gange he coulda been working in a factory like his da. A lot of art you enjoy is made by people who are off their tits. If the world wasn't dull enough already and you folk want to paint it grey.


  • #46
    Solomon Pleasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    I've witnessed the effects first hand of what excessive cannabis consumption can do to an individual. I think the drug is considerably more destructive and damaging than what people consider it to be.

    It destroys motivation, affects academic performance very negatively, increases paranoia, can induce psychosis, can create sexual problems for males, reduce IQ and ultimately leads to a much lower standard of living.

    What really shocks me is the financial side of it. I struggle to understand how people can spend their hard earned money on a drug which is so incredibly dangerous.

    I'd also argue that the drug is addictive. I've witnessed people try to give it up - and fail. Perhaps it's more habitual in nature than additive but it's definitely not easy to quit when it's ingrained in someone's lifestyle. This drug can and does destroy lives when used excessively.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    I've witnessed the effects first hand of what excessive cannabis consumption can do to an individual. I think the drug is considerably more destructive and damaging than what people consider it to be.

    It destroys motivation, affects academic performance very negatively, increases paranoia, can induce psychosis, can create sexual problems for males, reduce IQ and ultimately leads to a much lower standard of living.

    What really shocks me is the financial side of it. I struggle to understand how people can spend their hard earned money on a drug which is so incredibly dangerous.

    I'd also argue that the drug is addictive. I've witnessed people try to give it up - and fail. Perhaps it's more habitual in nature than additive but it's definitely not easy to quit when it's ingrained in someone's lifestyle. This drug can and does destroy lives.


    I could change the subject of your post from cannabis to anything from pastimes to foods and it would still be valid.

    BAN EVERYTHING

    Addictive behaviors regardless of the topic are usually bad I think most will agree on that.


  • #48
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    I've witnessed the effects first hand of what excessive cannabis alcohol consumption can do to an individual. I think the drug is considerably more destructive and damaging than what people consider it to be.

    It destroys motivation, affects academic performance very negatively, increases paranoia, can induce psychosis, can create sexual problems for males, reduce IQ and ultimately leads to a much lower standard of living.

    What really shocks me is the financial side of it. I struggle to understand how people can spend their hard earned money on a drug which is so incredibly dangerous.

    I'd also argue that the drug is addictive. I've witnessed people try to give it up - and fail. Perhaps it's more habitual in nature than additive but it's definitely not easy to quit when it's ingrained in someone's lifestyle. This drug can and does destroy lives when used excessively.

    So are you going to give up that G&T this weekend?


  • #49
    Solomon Pleasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    there is a legal high available in England and Northern Ireland called Magic Dragon, it is not legal in ROI but it has made its way into some schools in Donegal via the head shops in the North. A teacher in one of these schools was telling me that he sees some students coming into school under the influence of Magic Dragon and he puts it on a par with heroin. The kids are out of it for the day, and a hit costs as little as €3.

    When I was in school that drug was a common way to pass time. The effects are much worse than plain old marijuana and, I suspect, more dangerous to someone's health. It's also quite widespread on nights out and easily accessible.

    The majority of the people who consumed it were, for want of a better word, wasters.


  • #50
    Solomon Pleasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    So are you going to give up that G&T this weekend?

    I don't drink, and I'll be working all weekend anyway.

    Nice attempt though.


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    When I was in school that drug was a common way to pass time. The effects are much worse than plain old marijuana and, I suspect, more dangerous to someone's health. It's also quite widespread on nights out and easily accessible.

    The majority of the people who consumed it were, for want of a better word, wasters.

    Stereotypes lose their power when the world is found to be more complex than the stereotype would suggest. When we learn that individuals do not fit the group stereotype, then it begins to fall apart.


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  • #52
    Solomon Pleasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    I could change the subject of your post from cannabis to anything from pastimes to foods and it would still be valid.

    BAN EVERYTHING

    Addictive behaviors regardless of the topic are usually bad I think most will agree on that.

    The topic of the thread is the consumption and marijuana and the effects associated with it.

    In my post I did NOT advocate legalising or illegal using the drug, I just gave view on it and the effects of it.


  • #53
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    The topic of the thread is the consumption and marijuana and the effects associated with it.

    In my post I did NOT advocate legalising or illegal using the drug, I just gave view on it and the effects of it.

    Indeed and I offered my view on your view.
    I believe that is a how a discussion forum is usually meant to work.


  • #54
    Solomon Pleasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Stereotypes lose their power when the world is found to be more complex than the stereotype would suggest. When we learn that individuals do not fit the group stereotype, then it begins to fall apart.

    Indeed, stereotypes aren't always true and I've know there to be exceptions to the weed smoking waster rule. However, the exceptions I've encountered have been extremely talented academically and are enrolled in some the most academically challenging 3rd level courses Ireland offers. They were not the unfortunate souls that I met in school, who, unfortunately for them, fulfilled that stereotype.

    I'm sure that means nothing to you though.


  • #55
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    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    Indeed, stereotypes aren't always true and I've know there to be exceptions to the weed smoking waster rule. However, the exceptions I've encountered have been extremely talented academically and are enrolled in some the most academically challenging 3rd level courses Ireland offers. They were not the unfortunate souls that I met in school, who, unfortunately for them, fulfilled that stereotype.

    I'm sure that means nothing to you though.

    It also means nothing in terms of the validity of your stereotyping.


  • #56
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    I could change the subject of your post from cannabis to anything from pastimes to foods and it would still be valid.

    BAN EVERYTHING

    Addictive behaviors regardless of the topic are usually bad I think most will agree on that.

    The topic of the thread is the consumption and marijuana and the effects associated with it.

    In my post I did NOT advocate legalising or illegal using the drug, I just gave view on it and the effects of it.

    Giving an anti cannabis opinion carries a backlash of person digs, even though we have all seen first hand negative effects of the drug, people will do mental aerobics and post pseudoscience to promote their recreational use of the drug.

    People that do smoke it, would you like your child's teacher to use this drug, or your doctor, or even your child to smoke cannabis?


  • #57
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Giving an anti cannabis opinion carries a backlash of person digs, even though we have all seen first hand negative effects of the drug, people will do mental aerobics and post pseudoscience to promote their recreational use of the drug.

    People that do smoke it, would you like your child's teacher to use this drug, or your doctor, or even your child to smoke cannabis?

    Ok then
    For the record i have never espoused teachers or children smoke cannabis. Well at least not during school hours.
    I have never claimed cannabis has no effect on a person.
    I have simply questioned the merit of the conclusions of this study by two economists on the effects of drug use on student brains.


    Just wondering do you have any reply to my post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104202840&postcount=44


  • #58
    Solomon Pleasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    Muffl wrote: »
    You're full of **** and you haven't a clue what you're on about, its because its illegal that it is ****, but auld bastards like you who keep our drugs policies in the 1940.

    All illegal drugs aren't/won't be going anywhere, we are huge consumers of illegal drugs and it's only going to get worse, with 1940 drugs policies.

    I assure you that I'm not, I'm not really sure why you're attacking me or my post. I didn't state that I wanted it to to remain illegal, I just simply didn't give my view simply because I knew there would be people like youself who feel so enraged that someone could hold a different view to themselves.

    If only people felt as passionate about issues such as global warming, climate change and Ireland's debt:GDP ratio.


  • #59
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Giving an anti cannabis opinion carries a backlash of person digs, even though we have all seen first hand negative effects of the drug, people will do mental aerobics and post pseudoscience to promote their recreational use of the drug.

    People that do smoke it, would you like your child's teacher to use this drug, or your doctor, or even your child to smoke cannabis?

    Childs teacher - As long as it's not during school hours, I don't really give a damn.

    My Doctor - As long as it's not during work hours, I don't really give a damn.

    My child - I won't hide it away, as a big deep dark thing, creating a mystique about it. I'll happily explain what it is, what it does, how it effects you. I'd prefer if they waited until they were older, until their body/brain stops developing. But I'd rather know they were smoking weed than think everything is hunkey dorey, and be ignorant to what is going on in their life.


  • #60
    Syphonax
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    As Cannabis is already available from your local tout it makes it irrelevant whether it is legal or not. As for it having an adverse effect of your intelligence, well, it does but im sure so does excessive drinking and tobacco smoking.

    The benefits for the State, the health service - tackling organised crime, in legalizing cannabis is far more beneficial than doing nothing at all, which is what we're doing right now. Its should be the right of the individual to choose what they partake, and it already is, so why on earth not make it legal?

    In less than 100 years people will be looking back at illegal cannibis the same way we now look back at Prohibition.

    Prohibition didnt work so it really is inevitable that cannabis will become legal, its just a matter of time but I feel Ireland has to many weak leaders who despite legislating for gay marriage etc dont want the worlds eye forcuesed on Ireland for something that other countries have yet to do or would see us as a nation of stoners. Like I said WEAK leadership.


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  • #61
    Wanderer78
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    Syphonax wrote: »
    Prohibition didnt work so it really is inevitable that cannabis will become legal, its just a matter of time but I feel Ireland has to many weak leaders who despite legislating for gay marriage etc dont want the worlds eye forcuesed on Ireland for something that other countries have yet to do or would see us as a nation of stoners. Like I said WEAK leadership.

    i would class it as poorly misinformed and some what herd mentality. its slowly changing though.


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