Dublin 15 is going to get a lot more congested.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793570#Comment_121793570

Not everyone can drive your car or motorbike.

Pat Dunne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121793868#Comment_121793868

Acquiring a life skill can be challenging for some.

Flinty997

We can see why congestion is only getting worse.

Pat Dunne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798823#Comment_121798823

Of course it getting worse, with poorly resourced Public Transport services. Infrastructure that’s either delayed for years, or takes years to finish.

lordleitrim

Saw a big sign for Luttrellstown Gate, a new development of homes coming soon just at the southern end of the Doctor Troy bridge. Also, all the trees along Porterstown Road almost as far as the level crossing have been cut down. The last "rural" looking road in the area gone!

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808395#Comment_121808395

That road is a deathtrap. If they are improving it and installing cycle lanes, that would be a great improvement, trees can be planted elsewhere.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121808395#Comment_121808395

Wait till you see what's coming...

https://www.riverwoodres.com/2020/11/kellystown-development-of-360-units/

daymobrew

There are pre-planning discussions between a developer and Fingal about adding 169 units behind Clonsilla Inn. Here's the details published in this week's planning list:

Who: McHugh Property Holdings Limited

Where: Lands to the South of Clonsilla Inn, Clonsilla Road, Dublin 15

Details: The proposed development will consist of the demolition of existing buildings and structures (314.7sq.m) on site and the construction of a residential-led scheme (17,006.78sq.m GFA) comprising 169 no. apartment/ duplex units consisting of 45no. one-bedroom units, 114no. two-bedroom units arid 1Ono. three-bedroom units, a cafe (61.89sq.m) with external seating and a childcare facility (284.56sq.m).

The proposed development will be accommodated across 7 blocks up to 5 storeys in height and is described on a block-by-block basis as follows:

* Blocks A & B contain 55 no. apartments comprising 21 no. one-bedroom units and 34 no. two-bedroom units with associated ancillary accommodation, circulation space and lift/stair cores in two connected blocks ranging in height from 4 to 5 storeys. Communal open space is provided in the form of a landscaped podium courtyard (639sq.m) at first floor level above an u dercroft car park. 3no. bike stores accommodating 149no. cycle spaces are provided at ground floor level.

* Block C contains 36 no. apartments comprising 5 no. one-bedroom units and 31 no. two-bedroom units with associated ancillary accommodation, circulation space and lift / stair cores in a block of 4 storeys. The ground floor of Block C incorporates a childcare facility (284.56sq.m) with associated secure outdoor play space (105sq.m) and bike store accommodating 104no. cycle spaces.

* Blocks D&E contains 58 no. apartments comprising 19 no. one-bedroom units and 3 no. two-bedroom units with associated ancillary accommodation, circulation space and lift/ stair cores in two connected ranging in height from 4 to 5 storeys. Communal open space is provided in the form of a landscaped podium courtyard (675sq.m) at first floor level above an undercroft car park. 2no. bike stores accommodating a total of 157no. cycle spaces are provided at ground floor level.

* 2no. Duplex Blocks containing a total 20 no. apartments comprising 1Ono. two-bedroom units and 10no. three-bedroom units with a total height of 3 storeys with a total of 978sq.m communal open space to the rear.

Planning permission is also sought for the provision of a childcare facility (284.56 sq.m) with associated outdoor play area (105sq.m), a cafe (61.89sq.m) with outdoor seating areas, public open space (4,111sq.m) in the form of a public park, 2 no. public plazas (one located adjacent Clonsilla Road and one located in the centre of the development between Blocks B&C), a nature walk route along the southern boundary of the site, play areas, grass lawns, communal open space, and all ancillary accommodation including substation, refuse stores, cycle stores, and comms / meter rooms. Private open space for the-apartment units is achieved through the provision of balconies, terraces and private gardens. The development also includes the provision of 76no. car parking spaces including 5no. accessible parking spaces and 20no. EV parking spaces, ?no. motorcycle spaces and 596no. cycle parking spaces (including 494 long-stay spaces and 102 short-stay spaces) and the loss of 1no existing space at the Clonsilla Inn to serve the proposed development.

Vehicular access to serve the development is proposed via Porterstown Road to the east of the application site with dedicated pedestrian and cycle access proposed via Clonsilla Road. Upgrades to facilitate improved access to the east of the Clonsilla Inn including the addition of a pedestrian and cycle path, the 'reconfiguration of the existing parking arrangements to the pub, as a means of improving passive surveillance and pedestrian safety are also proposed. Planning permission will also be sought for all other site and development works including hard and soft landscaping, internal roads and pathways, boundary treatments, public lighting, green and blue infrastructure, associated signage, and all associated works and infrastructure to facilitate the development including connection to foul and surface water drainage and water supply.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121844731#Comment_121844731

I'm baffled as to how they can fit 169 units, plus 4,000 m2 of open space, plus commercial units, plus two "public plazas" into that space. They must be planning to demolish all the existing houses?

Whatever about the additional traffic, these units - added to "Luttrellstown Gate" directly across the canal and whatever gets built at the old schoolhouse - will completely change the identity of the whole Clonsilla/Porterstown area.

OfflerCrocGod

Yeah really looking forward to it improving from the current kip it is at the moment. It's a pity that the halting site is staying, why weren't they offered some of the new houses or apartments.

daymobrew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121852489#Comment_121852489

I think that it is a significant area south and south west of the Clonsilla Inn. I saw a map and it looked something like:

Qwerty27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121852526#Comment_121852526

The halting site and all the associated fly tipping were on what was once a rural road. Now its going to be surrounded on all sides by housing. Would the halting site have an impact on the pricing of particular accomodation types within the new Luttrellstown Gate development I wonder?

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121852966#Comment_121852966

It is right near the train station and on the main bus routes...

People will have to reduce car travel, so this location is a good one for housing development, as there are good public transport options available.

Same cant be said for a lot of proposed dev sites.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121852489#Comment_121852489

The plans for Kellystown combined with everything else around Clonee means that rural feeling will effectively be pushed up Westminstown, Clonee. In another 5-10yrs it will be back to back housing.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853001#Comment_121853001

There are transport options. I think there's a lot of room for improvement.

Depends though if your new to the area your expectations are different.

It's long overdue for faster more frequent rail, more capacity and faster bus journeys.

OfflerCrocGod

There are bungalows on the roads in front of the Google offices in town. Near the Grand Canal station. Developers should be allowed buy up those houses and replace them with apartments it'll never be allowed as people will vote against politicians who allow that so instead we get 7 story buildings at the edge of Dublin.

You reap what you sow.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121853001#Comment_121853001

Will they?

Let's see how upcoming elections go. I feel that people have entirely had it with being preached to and lectured at.

This Country has it all arseways with far too much stick and not nearly enough carrot.

Complete the DART upgrades to Maynooth and Hazlehatch, the Luas to Lucan and Finglas and the Metro to Swords and the Airport and we'll talk about genuine alternatives to car use.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854016#Comment_121854016

Maybe you just have to pitch your Megacity One concept differently. Because it's sounds lovely.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121854032#Comment_121854032

I think D15 transport has been neglected under Leo's reign. He's avoided being seen as local politician.

SF are looking more like bluffers of late. Not sure where any alternative is going to come from.

JupiterKid

It's beyond a disgrace that after 25 years of promises abd the area more than trebling in population in that time, not one iota of physical work has been carried out to extend the critically needed DART+ to serve Dublin 15.

Leo is an arrogant, spineless, opportunistic charlatan. Zero substance, zero vision, zero empathy and zero character.

Flinty997

Hard to disagree with that.

You get tired of hearing about improvements elsewhere..

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121858878#Comment_121858878

Interesting perspective. I've been getting the train from Coolmine since 1997 so I feel your pain.

However, the fact is that it is only under the government led by Leo that we have actually got to the point of approving money (not promising money) for the project and submitting an application for the railway order.

I don't know how many previous taoisigh and ministers for transport promised it, or unveiled plans for it, or formed a working party to look at it, but the current government are actually moving it forward (despite the best efforts of Iarnrod Eireann to make a balls of it). And it was the first of the Dart+ projects to go to RO as well.

Slate them for what they haven't done, fair enough, but should we not give credit for what they have done?

Flinty997

I'm delighted with the glacial process.

The train I get was made shorter than it used to be and it's back to being crammed like sardines as bad as pre lockdown. It's delightful.

Murt10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120964494#Comment_120964494

Old Porterstown National School

The Old Porterstown National School

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The Old Porterstown National School 2

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The old Porterstown National School in Dublin 15 opened its doors to receive its first intake of 124 students on 16th January 1854. There were 66 girls and 58 boys. This odd-looking building, now privately owned, was built by James and Charles Kennedy, licensed vintners based in Capel Street, Dublin. The building looks very different from anything else in the district and is certainly difficult to miss as one travels along Porterstown Lane.

Porterstown National School closed down in 1963 leaving its chequered history and lore for posterity to evaluate. According to stories relating to the old school and handed down through generations, in 1852 the local priest Fr Dungan approached Lord Annaly, the owner of Luttrellstown Castle and asked him to donate a site for his planned school. He was told by Lord Annaly in no uncertain terms to "go to hell."

Replying to this rebuff, Fr Dungan answered in equally strong manner, "I will build a school in spite of you and it will be visible no matter where you go." Legend has it that the priest then put a curse on Luttrellstown Estate "that a crow would never build, a ewe would never lamb, and a hare would never run on the land." From that day the school was always referred to by the local community as 'The School of Spite'.

https://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/architecture/architecture-in-fingal-du/old-porterstown-national-/

Fatnacho

Claims that transport in D15 has been neglected are really wide of the mark. There’s never been more buses and trains than what we have currently.

Cross-city orbital and night bus routes have been recently introduced. The Blanch to airport service is going to re-start shortly.

It’s not that long ago when there was only 1 train per hour and even less frequency during off-peak times.

The slow movement on the Dart+ project can be blamed on the incompetence of Irish Rail and locals objecting to the building of new bridges.

If Leo spent millions on D15 only, he’d be accused of gombeenism especially by the people from the likes of Donegal, who really have been neglected in terms of infrastructure.

If SF get into government, they aren’t going to throw money at D15 as they already have a strong base here and won’t need to attract new voters with lavish promises.

If you want better transport vote for the Greens and all that entails.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859406#Comment_121859406

Fair enough, but that’s on IE.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859572#Comment_121859572

It's a very long time since we had we had hourly trains in Dublin 15. (Other than the weekend schedule) Docklands was 2007. Since then the only change was Hazelhatch which made journey times longer as that train has to slot in between the others. Other than the addition of more stations which have made the journey times longer.

The broombridge Luas extension is the only meaningful upgrade and that's not in D15.

In a thread about congestion we are mostly talking about peak time commuting the vast majority of that isn't using nighttime or cross city. For me the regular buses seem to take as long as they always did into city center.

lordleitrim

The 39A going 24 hours is a fantastic addition too. Yes, things could be better but I think D15 is one of the better served areas of greater Dublin in relation to public transport.

suvigirl

Anyone have a link to information about the Blanchardstown to airport bus?

rameire

N8 bus.

will be mostly every 30 minutes

see link https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/a3-frequency-tables-061020-fa.pdf

see routing of all bus connects map

https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Network-Redesign-Map-2023.pdf