Price of pizza

Kewreeuss

I can get a great pizza in London, cooked in a wood fired oven ,for a fiver.
Why can't I get it here in Dublin equally cheaply?
Rents can't be cheaper, or wages any less in London compared to Dublin, right?
So is it that someone comes up a price and we all just cough up?

dan1895

Kewreeuss wrote: »

I can get a great pizza in London, cooked in a wood fired oven ,for a fiver.
Why can't I get it here in Dublin equally cheaply?
Rents can't be cheaper, or wages any less in London compared to Dublin, right?
So is it that someone comes up a price and we all just cough up?

Where in London?
Was it a chain store or a one off place? Could of done with this info when in London a couple of years ago. Very expensive just to grab a bit of lunch out.

ligerdub

There are few things more irritating than comparisons to things in London.

"Everywhere, and everything, should be cheaper and poorer in quality than my London life."

I'm not even sure wages and costs are cheaper here in Dublin as a rule.

Crazyteacher

The markup is huge in Irish pizza chains. So much so I have started making them from scratch at home at a fraction of the cost and better quality. No more bought in pizzas here.

Wheety

What kind of place was selling woodfried pizza for that price? Fast food joint?

Kewreeuss

Franco Manco is a chain, but not crap like dominos, etc. They make the pizza base there and dress it in front of you. There are lots of pizzeria outside central at decent prices. Wood fired ovens are in. I can only think of five pizza places here in Dublin and nothing onder 10.
Even that woodfired takeaway, Base, change 9 90 or something for a weenchy plain pizza.

Ligurdub, you can be annoyed all you like with comparisons. This is not a whinge I really would like to know why a pizza costs so much here in Dublin. Rents, cost of personnel, rates, gas and electricity can't be higher here. Or are they? The materials are flour, water, buckets of tomatoes, mozzarella cheese, with a line of toppings. The pizzerie aren't paying what I would pay for these ingredients. Have you seen paulies or ciao Bella Roma with empty tables?

Sleeper12

Kewreeuss wrote:

I can get a great pizza in London, cooked in a wood fired oven ,for a fiver. Why can't I get it here in Dublin equally cheaply? Rents can't be cheaper, or wages any less in London compared to Dublin, right? So is it that someone comes up a price and we all just cough up?

You can also pay more in London for pizza. It alliance depends on where you go

L1011

Plenty of smaller pizza places in Dublin do extremely cheap pizzas. They usually don't operate delivery services. I'd guess your London one didn't either

Delivery services have cost bases (even if you do it dodgily and don't properly insure/employer drivers) and a decent % of pure loss due to fake orders.

S.M.B.

Franco Manca is £5 for a pizza without cheese. About £6.50 for a margheritta and £7.50 for everything else. It's also unbelievable value compared to others given it's quality. However it's the exception and not the rule.

It's also sit in / collection only.

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CeilingFly

Franco Manca is excellent, but choice is very limited (choice of about 6 pizzas from £5-£8 - nothing else)

Whether it would work in Dublin is debatable - maybe one or two branches.

Great model - virtually no food waste (huge cost), simple menu anybody can follow (no chefs needed), one single cooking implement (pizza oven)

A sort of Ryanair low frills operation (£2 extra for real mozzarella) - great if it suits you.

OU812

You can get a slice of what I call "Street Pizza" from a window in a pizzeria for $1 in NYC.

Real proper delicious New York Slices


But I'm not in NYC, I'm in Dublin & the equivalent costs about €3.50.

Psychologeeee

I find it really confusing how Dominos can get away with charging between 15 and 20 for a pizza, while the local pizzeria cooks stonebaked pizza from scratch starting at 8.50.

Hunchback

People will charge what the market will let them get away with, ya know yourself 😎

S.M.B.

CeilingFly wrote: »

Franco Manca is excellent, but choice is very limited (choice of about 6 pizzas from £5-£8 - nothing else)

Whether it would work in Dublin is debatable - maybe one or two branches.

Great model - virtually no food waste (huge cost), simple menu anybody can follow (no chefs needed), one single cooking implement (pizza oven)

A sort of Ryanair low frills operation (£2 extra for real mozzarella) - great if it suits you.

There's also the very quick preparation time allowing them big numbers through the doors. Each pizza goes into the oven for less than a minute.

The most popular delivery places in London would be your dominoes and papa Johns which would be very similarly priced in Ireland I assume.

As for sit down places, Pizza Express is by far the biggest and is stupidly over priced. Again, probably exact same as Milano which is the Irish version of the chain.

vicwatson

You can buy a very nice cheese pizza in the frozen section of Tesco for 94c on an ongoing basis, the mark up in pizza places must be massive

vicwatson

CeilingFly wrote: »

Franco Manca is excellent, but choice is very limited (choice of about 6 pizzas from £5-£8 - nothing else)

Whether it would work in Dublin is debatable - maybe one or two branches.

Great model - virtually no food waste (huge cost), simple menu anybody can follow (no chefs needed), one single cooking implement (pizza oven)

A sort of Ryanair low frills operation (£2 extra for real mozzarella) - great if it suits you.

This place is excellent, £3.95 for 12" margherita

http://www.pizzaunion.com/

Kewreeuss

there are about 8 classic pizzas
If a place stuck to them and did nothing else and charged €8, they'd clean up.
A proper well made and cooked pizza is divine.
Mod could you let me know a few pizzeria that aren't city centre? The ones I know are manifesto, da mimmo and honest pizza as well as the two I mentioned earlier.
there was a great one out in ballyowen in Lucan but last time I went it had closed

Melendez

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babi-hrse

Psychologeeee wrote: »

I find it really confusing how Dominos can get away with charging between 15 and 20 for a pizza, while the local pizzeria cooks stonebaked pizza from scratch starting at 8.50.

that would be the fact that people when pissed will pay anything for a pizza as long as its close.

think about it theyve had maybe 10 pints paid a fiver for each pint
they basically spent 50 quid to quench a thirst. now their hungry
paying 15 quid after an outlandis spend like that is small change or at least it is to the drunken hungry mind.

and the late night pizza joints know this.
im not gonna lie thereve been nights where ive spent a tenner on a taxi leaving a pub just so i could get to a pizza place before it closes and id have probably gladly paid 25 quid to eat a pizza thankfully it was never that much but the point stands people dont care about cost when their in that situation.

traveller0101

What's the cheapest slice of pizza you can get in the city centre?

OldMrBrennan83

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whiskeygirl

Kewreeuss wrote: »

there are about 8 classic pizzas
If a place stuck to them and did nothing else and charged €8, they'd clean up.
A proper well made and cooked pizza is divine.
Mod could you let me know a few pizzeria that aren't city centre? The ones I know are manifesto, da mimmo and honest pizza as well as the two I mentioned earlier.
there was a great one out in ballyowen in Lucan but last time I went it had closed

Claire's Pizza in Clondalkin Village opposite the Laurels pub do lovely pizza, no frozen, watery stuff like Dominos etc.

L1011

S.M.B. wrote: »

Again, probably exact same as Milano which is the Irish version of the chain.

There are usually vouchers for 25-50% off food in Milano available 6 days a week - its only 25% this week - http://www.milanooffers.ie/. I ensure never to eat there without a code.

Their prices for drinks are hideous though.

whiskeygirl

traveller0101 wrote: »

What's the cheapest slice of pizza you can get in the city centre?

New-ish place on Liffey Street (think it's in the premises that used to be that African ornament shop) were doing big enough, thick crust pepperoni slices for 2.50 the other night. Greasy as feck though.

Ubbquittious

If you start selling cheap pizzas in Dubland the health and safety crowd will come onto you and start giving you a disproportionate amount of grief

L1011

Ubbquittious wrote: »

If you start selling cheap pizzas in Dubland the health and safety crowd will come onto you and start giving you a disproportionate amount of grief

There have been places selling cheap pizzas in Dublin for 30+ years...

Wheety

DiFontaine’s do amazing pizza.

prinzeugen

Kewreeuss wrote: »

I can get a great pizza in London, cooked in a wood fired oven ,for a fiver.
Why can't I get it here in Dublin equally cheaply?
Rents can't be cheaper, or wages any less in London compared to Dublin, right?
So is it that someone comes up a price and we all just cough up?

Hipster tax in Dublin.

Ireland is not as strict as the UK when it comes to trades description.

If a place claims to sell homemade, locally sourced, artisan food etc then they have to prove it in the UK or face fines.

Here anyone that can make a sandwich is a "artisan sandwich maker" using only "locally sourced ingredients" (ie Tesco 3 doors down) and charges accordingly.

And people are stupid enough to pay it.

S.M.B.

L1011 wrote: »

There are usually vouchers for 25-50% off food in Milano available 6 days a week - its only 25% this week - http://www.milanooffers.ie/. I ensure never to eat there without a code.

Their prices for drinks are hideous though.

Aye, pizza express have the same model. Overcharge and get the people in the doors with offers. You'd be surprised how many people eat there full price though.

CeilingFly

S.M.B. wrote: »

Aye, pizza express have the same model. Overcharge and get the people in the doors with offers. You'd be surprised how many people eat there full price though.

Pizza express = Milano.

Identical -same company. Only difference is name over the door.

Pricey, but you are paying for your surroundings.

rubadub

S.M.B. wrote: »

Franco Manca is £5 for a pizza without cheese.

I was just looking at the menu and saw that, ridiculous that he did not mention it had no cheese! tomato, garlic, oregano
-knowing fine well people would presume it did, esp. as he went on to describe ones here as "plain"

http://www.francomanca.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/FM-MENU-EXPANDED-JULY-2017.pdf

Even that woodfired takeaway, Base, change 9 90 or something for a weenchy plain pizza

it is 9.80 for the "plain" pizza, tomato sauce, fresh mozzarella, garnished with fresh basil -which has cheese! :rolleyes:

OU812 wrote: »

You can get a slice of what I call "Street Pizza" from a window in a pizzeria for $1 in NYC.

Real proper delicious New York Slices


But I'm not in NYC, I'm in Dublin & the equivalent costs about €3.50.

Can you mention any places in dublin doing the equivalent for €3.50, I can only think of 1 place that does single slices offhand, that is DiFontaine's which are 3.50, but I can rule them out as the photos online of their slices look bigger than the one in your photo.

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/ShowUserReviews-g186605-d5821525-r397767903-DiFontaine_s_Pizzeria-Dublin_County_Dublin.html#photos;geo=186605&detail=5821525&ff=192478861&albumViewMode=hero&aggregationId=101&albumid=101&baseMediaId=192478861&thumbnailMinWidth=50&cnt=30&offset=-1&filter=7&autoplay=

Looking on google sites say the average pizza slice in NY is $2.75. I saw no $1 places when I was there years ago. I see this article bemoaning the rise of the $1 slice.

http://gadling.com/2012/09/07/new-york-citys-mostly-unfortunate-1-pizza-slice-phenomenon/

I’ve recently found my dad’s match for the worst pizza I’ve ever tasted. And it’s right where I live in New York City. In the last few years a recent phenomenon has emerged on the city’s dining landscape: $1 pizza slices.

The phrase, you pay for what you get, very much applies here. I talked to Adam Kuban, founding editor of the website Serious Eats and editor and founder of Slice, a blog dedicated to all things pizza. “I think the recession is the big force driving the rise of the dollar slice,” he said. “I don’t know about other folks, but for me, once a plain slice started creeping up near the $3 mark, it ceased to be an automatic transaction. Two bucks? Fine. Two-fifty? Um, OK, sure. Because even at $2.50, if you’re getting two slices, like a lot of people do, it’s still an even fiver. Once you break the $2.50 barrier, though (the average price in Manhattan seems to be holding around $2.75), you start to think about the price in terms of MORE THAN $5.”
A good point. South Brooklyn Pizza in the East Village, one of the best slices in the city, in my opinion, is a whopping $4 per slice. It’s worth it, though. But, as Kuban pointed out, with that kind of pricing it’s not automatic anymore.

I think €3.50 is expensive for those pictured, but how many places do single slices in dublin? to me its a gimmick, a niche market and they charge for it accordingly. I expect a bag of italian/irish chipper chips in NY or a batter sausage or batter burger would cost a lot more than chippers here -I reckon it would also be a bit of a gimmick over there.

davo2001

Psychologeeee wrote: »

I find it really confusing how Dominos can get away with charging between 15 and 20 for a pizza, while the local pizzeria cooks stonebaked pizza from scratch starting at 8.50.

Because people are idiots and will pay for sh it food.

Miaireland

Economy of scales. London mostly like sell way more. Hence they can buy their ingredients, boxes etc in bulk and pay a lot less than the restaurant in Dublin.

jimmycrackcorm

Star pizza on Talbot street do a 9 inch pizza with two toppings, chips, dip and coke for a fiver. Always busy as a result.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

S.M.B. wrote: »

Franco Manca is £5 for a pizza without cheese. About £6.50 for a margheritta and £7.50 for everything else. It's also unbelievable value compared to others given it's quality. However it's the exception and not the rule.

It's also sit in / collection only.

A pizza without cheese is not a pizza.

Psychologeeee wrote: »

I find it really confusing how Dominos can get away with charging between 15 and 20 for a pizza, while the local pizzeria cooks stonebaked pizza from scratch starting at 8.50.

Demand, people are paying 15 quid for a pizza, why would they lower the price? It is expensive for what you get, it's not even good pizza.

OldMrBrennan83

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CeilingFly

Delilah Shrilling Tomb wrote: »

A pizza without cheese is not a pizza.

Factually incorrect

The accepted original pizza is a marinara pizza - and it did not have cheese.

It is debatable whether this or the margherita was the original, but cheeseless is more authentic Italian than almost every other type.

jsd1004

A pizza in my local in Malaga city is 2.50. Whole pizza. I get the veggie one with extra pineapple. They dont charge me extra for the pineapple

somesoldiers

Star Pizza Talbot street
9 inch 2 topping
Handful of chips
Can of pop
BBQ or garlic sauce
All for €6, was only €5 til a few months back

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

CeilingFly wrote: »

Factually incorrect

The accepted original pizza is a marinara pizza - and it did not have cheese.

It is debatable whether this or the margherita was the original, but cheeseless is more authentic Italian than almost every other type.

They definitely got it wrong

Patww79 wrote: »

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No it doesn't, shít pizza still remains shít pizza. Liking it doesn't change that status. I have eaten dominos in the past and will probably eat it again in the future, but I know it's not good pizza. I don't know too many places in Dublin that does authentic pizza, but Da Mimmo on North Strand Road does fantastic pizza's. Most expensive pizza is 14 euro (take away). Margarita is only €9.

OldMrBrennan83

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gizmo81

I remember going on a date a couple of years back with an Italian summer student, he was shocked at the price of pizza here.

Nearly fainted outside Milanos.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Patww79 wrote: »

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Yea, you don't like it, that's fair enough. It doesn't make it shít pizza.

Dominos, apache, etc, they are all rubbish pizzas.

OldMrBrennan83

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Delilah Shrilling Tomb

Delilah Shrilling Tomb wrote: »

Yea, you don't like it, that's fair enough. It doesn't make it shít pizza.

Dominos, apache, etc, they are all rubbish pizzas.

Thank god. Here was me thinking it was down to personal taste. What else are we not allowed to class as decent oh wise one?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Patww79 wrote: »

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No no, the quality of an authentic italian pizza is far far superior to the likes of Dominos, apache or pizza hut. Christ, pizza hut spray vegetable oil on the pizza when it comes out of the oven, it looks more "appealing", supposedly.

Nobody is saying they are wrong for liking it, but it's not the best pizza on offer.

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What else are we not allowed to class as decent oh wise one?

That's not being disputed here. I think you are missing the point.

OldMrBrennan83

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MOH

ligerdub wrote: »

There are few things more irritating than comparisons to things in London.

"Everywhere, and everything, should be cheaper and poorer in quality than my London life."

I'm not even sure wages and costs are cheaper here in Dublin as a rule.

A fiver for a pizza in London? Sure I got a great pizza in Berlin for 4 euro. So a fiver in London is obviously a complete rip off :rolleyes:

Billy86

Psychologeeee wrote: »

I find it really confusing how Dominos can get away with charging between 15 and 20 for a pizza, while the local pizzeria cooks stonebaked pizza from scratch starting at 8.50.

Marketing and a national lack of taste when it comes to pizza is all it is really.

In Australia or Canada you can get a 9" pizza from Dominos with 2-3 toppings for $5 (so about €3.50). Over here it's what... five times that? The reason is that in Canada and Australia it has a reputation for being cheap junk food like McDonalds, Burger King, etc. Over here some people seem to deem it as fecking gourmet cuisine for some reason.

Funny enough while they're hit and miss, some chippers do some pretty solid pizzas here alright (and at typically fair prices like you said).

Billy86

gizmo81 wrote: »

I remember going on a date a couple of years back with an Italian summer student, he was shocked at the price of pizza here.

Nearly fainted outside Milanos.

Pro tip for the scroungers: I make my own pizzas sometimes and priced it up a while back - a batch of 12 works out to about 80c each I think it was including cheese and sauce. You can freeze extra ones and the sauce (handiest to do so in an ice cube container, two cubes to one pizza). If you're not picky, whatever scraps are in the fridge like the spare few mushrooms or bit of sweetcorn, or those two rashers and sausages with only a few days left on them, and you're sorted.

Only takes a couple of swings to actually really get the knack of it too, and nowhere near as time consuming as it might seem.