Help on a diet and workout

Blacktie.

bananabread12 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Here, let me help you a long a little bit seen as you're definitively confused....

Honestly, I can't comprehend how some manage to dress themselves in the morning.

The onus is on you. See my edit on my previous post. Sorry I can't support your miracle diet notions.

RGDATA!

bananabread12 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Here, let me help you a long a little bit seen as you're definitively confused....

Honestly, I can't comprehend how some manage to dress themselves in the morning.

while you're here could you address my questions?

dean bride

bananabread12 wrote: »

No, you'll feel like a monster because ketosis increases testosterone and explodes HGH. In your comment below you say you feel like crap...it's no surprise. Some vegetables are far more richer in carbohydrates than others. These will make you feel bloated and tired. Also, the lean chicken breast is no use - it is far too high in protein and has no fat - remember we have to fat for energy now . The best part of the chicken are the legs and wings.



Being in ketosis means that you tell your body to stop using carbohydrates for energy and to start using fat. After a week of denying your body sugar you will never again feel bloated or tired, a brain fog will lift from you and you'll feel more mentally focused, your reflexes will improve, you'll require less sleep and you'll become leaner and more energised.

Carbohydrates are literally toxic to the human body. Cancer patients, people with heart disease, epilepsy sufferers are all put on a ketogenic diet because the carbohydrates are literally killing them - the white blood cells need the carbohydrates to multiply. Look at the obesity epidemic we have today - it has occurred coincidentally at a time when our new global culture means that people are consuming far too many carbohydrates. When you eat carbs your pancreas needs to start producing the hormone insulin and releases it into the blood stream to deal with the toxicity of the carbs - this is a defense mechanism that the body utilises but at some point it says "hey, we had a good run but I give up" and stops. This is what happens with diabetics - they need a source of external insulin which they inject into themselves. If they don't, the carbohydrates will literally kill them stone dead.

Being in ketosis has anti-aging properties, it will protect you against IBS, cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, PCOS; it will increase your brain function and longevity, mitochondrial function, endurance and end heart burn; it will stabilise your hormones and enhance your mood (bipolar & autism), migraines and headaches will cease, it will defend you against Alzheimer, Parkinsons disease, multiple sclerosis and acne. Man once hunted with spears and ate fatty meats once a day - now, just a few thousand years later we're led to believe, at a time of rising global obesity epidemics, that we're to forget our evolutionary timeframe and stuff ourselves with carbohydrates in order to live a healthy lifestyle. It's BS.

Thanks for the videos I really understand more about the diet I'm going to go with this one....

bananabread12

Blacktie. wrote: »

The onus is on you. See my edit on my previous post. Sorry I can't support your miracle diet notions.

Do you think I wrote the papers? I think you've misunderstood if you're under the impression that the "onus" is on me to defend them - don't you believe academic journal authors have already been questioned by a group of their peers? I am simply providing you with something to think about. Whether you're 12 stone or 20 is of no interest to me, whether you lose weight or become the size of an elephant is of no significance in my life - I simply could not care less if you're hit by a train this afternoon. I am merely "putting it out there" that this way of eating can yield results for you, me and the OP.

You're the one rubbishing academic studies without expanding your knowledge. It's a piss-poor attitude to have in life in general.

Blacktie.

bananabread12 wrote: »

Do you think I wrote the papers? I think you've misunderstood if you're under the impression that the "onus" is on me to defend them - don't you believe academic journal authors have already been questioned by a group of their peers? I am simply providing you with something to think about. Whether you're 12 stone or 20 is of no interest to me, whether you lose weight or become the size of an elephant is of no significance in my life - I simply could not care less if you're hit by a train this afternoon. I am merely "putting it out there" that this way of eating can yield results for you, me and the OP.

You're the one rubbishing academic studies without expanding your knowledge. It's a piss-poor attitude to have in life in general.

Yeah seen this a thousand times before. Grand no sources. Done.

bananabread12

Blacktie. wrote: »

Yeah seen this a thousand times before. Grand no sources. Done.

Posting that link above is considered the very definition of providing sources. Where are yours? Trying to wriggle your way out I see.....May I ask what you do for a living?

Blacktie.

bananabread12 wrote: »

Posting that link above is considered the very definition of providing sources. Where are yours?

Is this the link that's about fasting or the one that shows no statistical significance for testosterone changes in a keto diet?

I'm not the one trying to prove keto will turn me into a monster and cure cancer.

Trying to wriggle your way out I see.....May I ask what you do for a living?

No you may not.

bigronnie9

some of the advice in this thread is madness

OP if your seriously considering dropping weight for a fight then start with these 4 articles:

https://sigmanutrition.com/making-the-cut-part-i-mma-nutrition/

Zillah

You sure are getting emotional in this dietary evangelism.

mathie

bigronnie9 wrote: »

some of the advice in this thread is madness

OP if your seriously considering dropping weight for a fight then start with these 4 articles:

https://sigmanutrition.com/making-the-cut-part-i-mma-nutrition/

Definitely.

Carbs make you fat?
One word. Asia.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/54c127cfeab8ea447d9135d5-1128-515/screen%20shot%202015-01-22%20at%2010.27.46%20am.png

bananabread12

dean bride wrote: »

Thanks for the videos I really understand more about the diet I'm going to go with this one....

If you do end up going for keto, may I suggest you visit this site regularly. Countless people are engaged in the diet and many post progress pics/tips etc....it can really help you keep motivated etc. It's a great resource.

As others have stated in this thread you can lose weight a number of ways but this seems to be the easiest as you're not restricting yourself from great food and messing around with mickey mouse salads etc. Some have been respectful, others seem to have a chip on their shoulder for whatever reason. In any event, Good luck.

Zillah

Carbohydrates kicked my dog but I was able to catch the culprit because the ketogenic diet gave me superman flying powers.

lol u guyz don't understand science, the white blood cells need carbohydrates you should starve them because they're evil

RGDATA!

bananabread12 wrote: »

If you do end up going for keto, may I suggest you visit this site regularly. Countless people are engaged in the diet and many post progress pics/tips etc....it can really help you keep motivated etc. It's a great resource.

As others have stated in this thread you can lose weight a number of ways but this seems to be the easiest as you're not restricting yourself from great food and messing around with mickey mouse salads etc. Some have been respectful, others seem to have a chip on their shoulder for whatever reason. In any event, Good luck.

No chip on shoulder here, or disrespect intended, but it's fair to call some of your claims wild and it's reasonable to expect wild claims to be supported by evidence. For the record haven't elabourated on what you said about the ketogenic diet for cancer patients, or the stuff about white blood cells, or carbs being toxic for the body.

[to a lesser degree i'm also curious why you named yourself for something as apparently poisonous as "banana bread" ]

Alf Veedersane

Courtesy of COH some time back:

Cake Man

The thoughts of not ever being able to have a pizza, bag of chips, burger, bar of chocolate, bag of crisps if I went down the road of keto.......for that reason, I'm out.

bananabread12

Cake Man wrote: »

The thoughts of not ever being able to have a pizza, bag of chips, burger, bar of chocolate, bag of crisps if I went down the road of keto.......for that reason, I'm out.

As opposed to eating bags of chips, bars of chocolate and crisps on any traditional weight loss diet?! Eating that stuff is not beneficial on any weight loss diet under the sun, what is so special about keto?

MillField

bananabread12 please!!!

fussyonion

I've lost 7 and a half stone in 2 years and shock horror-I ate bread and rice and pasta on my weightloss journey.

The thoughts of cutting out food groups was ridiculous to me.
I want to be able to live a healthy lifestyle that I can sustain for life.

Cutting out food groups is not sustainable. Are you really never going to eat a sandwich again for fear of gaining weight?

Why not learn healthy eating habits that will serve you for life?

I ate home-made meals, tweaked to make them healthier; curries (with RICE!:), Bolognese (with PASTA!), casseroles with spuds, pizza, chips, etc.
I never felt I was denying myself.
If I fancied a bar of chocolate, I had it.

I even had alcohol twice a week.
I also worked out 5 days a week.

It all comes down to a calorie deficit in the end!
If you want to live on bacon and eggs and not have a roll or a slice of cake for fear of gaining weight, go ahead.

But I'm living proof that you can eat all the food groups, lose weight and enjoy yourself.

guil

bananabread12 wrote: »

As opposed to eating bags of chips, bars of chocolate and crisps on any traditional weight loss diet?! Eating that stuff is not beneficial on any weight loss diet under the sun, what is so special about keto?

If you eat them all the time then weight loss will be hindered but it's easily doable while still having a treat once or twice a week.

bladespin

bananabread12 wrote:

As opposed to eating bags of chips, bars of chocolate and crisps on any traditional weight loss diet?! Eating that stuff is not beneficial on any weight loss diet under the sun, what is so special about keto?

They're not detremental on a traditional diet either though, just account for the calories, it's very possible to have a choccy bar every day and loose weight.

ShaShaBear

bladespin wrote: »

They're not detremental on a traditional diet either though, just account for the calories, it's very possible to have a choccy bar every day and loose weight.

I've followed Slimming World, had a chocolate bar and two packets of crisps daily and still managed to lose 3+ pounds most weeks (as a woman, there's a week in there that would be a bit wonky). Depending on your personality, such a rigid diet with no room for "whoopsies" or treats can easily lead to a weight gain explosion. I know a few people who are massively struggling with their weight (which is even higher now than when they started keto) because they couldn't handle it. It's definitely not for everyone, and it definitely doesn't cure cancer :pac:

Zillah

bananabread12 wrote: »

As opposed to eating bags of chips, bars of chocolate and crisps on any traditional weight loss diet?! Eating that stuff is not beneficial on any weight loss diet under the sun, what is so special about keto?

I've always been a healthy weight and I eat all of those things. It's about balance and moderation.

There is a problem focusing on "weight loss" rather than healthy living.

fussyonion

Zillah wrote: »

I've always been a healthy weight and I eat all of those things. It's about balance and moderation.

There is a problem focusing on "weight loss" rather than healthy living.

Couldn't agree more.
We should all strive to live healthily then we won't have weight issues.
Focussing purely on weightloss can indicate that you're just doing something temporarily. People should try and be healthy for life.

bananabread12

There are far too many people in here who have not even looked at the OP...he said he's training for MMA, not a bloody catwalk...

All some people here see is "weight loss" and they automatically think "elephant desperately trying to look thinner". This is not the goal of the OP.....

All I'm hearing is calories in, calories out etc....how in the name of God do you think eating Weebabix, mickey mouse salads, fruit and your ****ing bowls of granola going to preserve lean muscular mass? Perhaps I'm coming at things from a different perspective.....I doubt OP is going for the anorexic look because this "healthy living" stuff (whatever the hell that entails) won't preserve muscle mass and keep you looking built.

Alf Veedersane

bananabread12 wrote: »

There are far too many people in here who have not even looked at the OP...he said he's training for MMA, not a bloody catwalk...

All some people here see is "weight loss" and they automatically think "elephant desperately trying to look thinner". This is not the goal of the OP.....

All I'm hearing is calories in, calories out etc....how in the name of God do you think eating Weebabix, mickey mouse salads, fruit and your ****ing bowls of granola going to preserve lean muscular mass? Perhaps I'm coming at things from a different perspective.....I doubt OP is going for the anorexic look because this "healthy living" stuff (whatever the hell that entails) won't pack on muscle mass.

So no one has ever lost weight and preserved muscle mass without a keto diet?

bananabread12

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

So no one has ever lost weight and preserved muscle mass without a keto diet?

You've got a very vivid imagination. You've the incredible ability to see things that aren't actually there. I'm undecided as to whether that is a benefit or a cross to bear in life.

njs030

bananabread12 wrote: »

You've got a very vivid imagination. You've the incredible ability to see things that aren't actually there. I'm undecided as to whether that is a benefit or a cross to bear in life.

He has a vivid imagination?

Could you show actual scientific proof of these claims please.

bananabread12 wrote: »

Carbohydrates are literally toxic to the human body. Cancer patients, people with heart disease, epilepsy sufferers are all put on a ketogenic diet because the carbohydrates are literally killing them - the white blood cells need the carbohydrates to multiply.

Being in ketosis has anti-aging properties, it will protect you against IBS, cardiovascular disease, cancer, PCOS;

I'd like to see proof that carbohydrates are LITERALLY killing people. LITERALLY.

Also, white blood cells are vitally important as they fight infection in the body. There is no particular food supply for them thankfully as it would be very bad to cut off their food supply because then there would be nothing to protect one's immune system.
You may be familiar with white blood cells being killed it happens during chemotherapy which is why cancer patients can become so unwell so fast during chemo.

bananabread12

notjustsweet wrote: »

He has a vivid imagination?

We are all still waiting for actual scientific proof of these claims please.


I'd like to see proof that carbohydrates are LITERALLY killing people. LITERALLY.

LITERALLY.

This is pretty common knowledge. I'd of thought you had heard of it.

Alf Veedersane

bananabread12 wrote: »

You've got a very vivid imagination. You've the incredible ability to see things that aren't actually there. I'm undecided as to whether that is a benefit or a cross to bear in life.

So you can eat "Weebabix, mickey mouse salads, fruit and your ****ing bowls of granola" and preserve lean muscular mass?

Ok, we're in agreement then.

bananabread12

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

So you can eat "Weebabix, mickey mouse salads, fruit and your ****ing bowls of granola" and preserve lean muscular mass?

Ok, we're in agreement then.

By itself? Literally no.

A traditional diet will not aid in muscle preservation to the extent that a keto one would. That may be fine for females who just want to be thin, but for men who want to become built....your Weetabix can go in the bin.