Help on a diet and workout

dean bride

I do mma 3times a week

My diet is up and down a bit
Any help on how to get rid of fat or end of my belly I'm 70kg now looking to get to 66kg in 8weeks

Mars Bar

Start by telling us what your typical day of eating is like

dean bride

Mars Bar wrote: »

Start by telling us what your typical day of eating is like

Mornings 3 weatabix
After noon fish and veg
Diner fish and veg
Sometimes in the day I'd go off most time eating chocolate or something crap.... I don't know what diet to stick by... I drink about 3 liters of water a day

bananabread12

dean bride wrote: »

Mornings 3 weatabix
After noon fish and veg
Diner fish and veg
Sometimes in the day I'd go off most time eating chocolate or something crap.... I don't know what diet to stick by... I drink about 3 liters of water a day

The Weetabix is the worst thing you could eat. Plus the milk you consume with them puts an immediate stop to your diet before the word "go". Bin it. People drink milk when they want to bulk up and gain weight, not lose it. The less said about the chocolate the better but I suspect you already know that.

Eat one meal a day. This meal could be: a couple of boiled eggs mashed up in a cup with some butter, olive oil and a piece or two of broccoli. Have a few slices of streaky rashers on the side with a slice of cheese. Put coconut oil into your coffee/tea and nibble on almond nuts while you're drinking it. Eat nothing else for 16-24 hours but don't worry because the high fat content in the above meal with satiate and completely kill your hunger for the day. The lack of sugar (carbohydrates) will put your metabolism into a state of ketosis.

If you do that you'll lose your 4 kgs in two weeks.

Alf Veedersane

bananabread12 wrote: »

The Weetabix is the worst thing you could eat. Plus the milk you consume with them puts an immediate stop to your diet before the word "go". Bin it. People drink milk when they want to bulk up and gain weight, not lose it. The less said about the chocolate the better but I suspect you already know that.

Eat one meal a day. This meal could be: a couple of boiled eggs mashed up in a cup with some butter, olive oil and a piece or two of broccoli. Have a few slices of streaky rashers on the side with a slice of cheese. Put coconut oil into your coffee/tea and nibble on almond nuts while you're drinking it. Eat nothing else for 16-24 hours but don't worry because the high fat content in the above meal with satiate and completely kill your hunger for the day. The lack of sugar (carbohydrates) will put your metabolism into a state of ketosis.

If you do that you'll lose your 4 kgs in two weeks.

In summary, starve yourself.

Nothing wrong with milk. Nothing wrong with weetabix. You don't have to restrict yourself to one meal a day. You don't need to follow a low carb high fat diet, you don't need to follow a low fat diet.

Reduce calorie consumption. How you do it is a personal preference but demonising milk and weetabix is horsesh*t

bananabread12

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

In summary, starve yourself.

Nothing wrong with milk. Nothing wrong with weetabix. You don't have to restrict yourself to one meal a day. You don't need to follow a low carb high fat diet, you don't need to follow a low fat diet.

Reduce calorie consumption. How you do it is a personal preference but demonising milk and weetabix is horsesh*t

OP's goal is to lose 4kgs. Getting into a state of ketosis and lowering insulin in the blood stream is the quickest route to accomplish that. And whoever said anything about starving yourself? Ketosis has many benefits for the body. Feeling ravenous is a by-product of traditional low-fat/high-carb diets. Carbohydrates make you feel hungry - carbs give you hunger pangs. You don't get hunger pangs in ketosis because your fuel source is already on you - fat! And yes, consuming Weetabix with milk will kill your ketosis dead as it will most other diets as it sends insulin through the roof (which will make you fat).

Alf Veedersane

bananabread12 wrote: »

OP's goal is to lose 4kgs. Getting into a state of ketosis and lowering insulin in the blood stream is the quickest route to accomplish that. And whoever said anything about starving yourself? Ketosis has many benefits for the body. Feeling ravenous is a by-product of traditional low-fat/high-carb diets. Carbohydrates make you feel hungry - carbs give you hunger pangs. You don't get hunger pangs in ketosis because your fuel source is already on you - fat! And yes, consuming Weetabix with milk will kill your ketosis dead as it will most other diets as it sends insulin through the roof (which will make you fat).

A keto diet works for some but it doesn't work for a lot of people because they find it too hard to adhere to. It's a route to reducing calorie consumption. Nothing more, nothing less.

bananabread12

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

A keto diet works for some but it doesn't work for a lot of people because they find it too hard to adhere to. It's a route to reducing calorie consumption. Nothing more, nothing less.

How is it hard to adhere to? It's literally eggs and bacon....if you can't adhere to that for a few weeks (the easiest diet in the world) then you don't deserve to lose weight because you're obviously taking the piss.

Alf Veedersane

bananabread12 wrote: »

How is it hard to adhere to? It's literally eggs and bacon....if you can't adhere to that for a few weeks (the easiest diet in the world) then you don't deserve to lose weight because you're obviously taking the piss.

Because not everyone wants to eat bacon and eggs. And anyway, what happens after a few weeks?
There are plenty of ways to lose weight that aren't keto.

bananabread12

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Because not everyone wants to eat bacon and eggs. And anyway, what happens after a few weeks?
There are plenty of ways to lose weight that aren't keto.

I never said otherwise. I did, however, say that I believed it was the easiest as you're not fondling around with mickey mouse salads and fruit (which blows you out and makes you feel starving). All those carbs in the blood will give you diabetes.

Alf Veedersane

bananabread12 wrote: »

I never said otherwise. I did, however, say that I believed it was the easiest as you're not fondling around with mickey mouse salads and fruit (which blows you out and makes you feel starving). All those carbs in the blood will give you diabetes.

It's what has worked for you. There isn't a one-size-fits-all

bananabread12

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

It's what has worked for you. There isn't a one-size-fits-all

You're saying this without OP even giving it a try. Do you always approach life with such an attitude? "Ah, why take inspiration from that musician, actor, poet, author etc......after all there isn't a one-seize-fits-all so I'm not even going to try".

OP should at least try it. Don't deny him that.

Alf Veedersane

bananabread12 wrote: »

You're saying this without OP even giving it a try. Do you always approach life with such an attitude? "Ah, why take inspiration from that musician, actor, poet, author etc......after all there isn't a one-seize-fits-all so I'm not even going to try".

OP should at least try it. Don't deny him that.

You didn't frame it as "oh, this is worth a try".

You told them what to not eat and what to eat. It didn't read as an alternative option but a prescription.

No problem with it being suggested but your post didn't read that way. You can still lose weight while consuming milk and weetabix.

bladespin

There are much simpler and easier to follow strategies to achieve weight loss than keto, not knocking it but I've always seen it as a longhaul type of thing, cleaning up the diet alone could be a success here, kiss n that.

Cake Man

bananabread12 wrote: »

consuming Weetabix with milk will kill your ketosis dead as it will most other diets as it sends insulin through the roof (which will make you fat).

How can this make you fat? The only thing that can make you fat is by consuming more calories than what your body burns, that can be from carbs, fats or protein. Likewise, you could eat nothing but carbs and still lose weight so long as you're in a calorie deficit.


I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with your approach, I just think in my opinion it would be a bit too much too soon for the OP. To go from where he/she is now to going 16hrs a day eating nothing is something I just wouldn't see them sticking them to any longer than a few days. Would recommend just making small sustainable changes (cutting out the odd few biscuits, bars, crisps etc., replacing chips with salad with a burger, no sugar in tea/coffee etc. etc.) and ultimately cutting calories this way.

dean bride

bananabread12 wrote: »

The Weetabix is the worst thing you could eat. Plus the milk you consume with them puts an immediate stop to your diet before the word "go". Bin it. People drink milk when they want to bulk up and gain weight, not lose it. The less said about the chocolate the better but I suspect you already know that.

Eat one meal a day. This meal could be: a couple of boiled eggs mashed up in a cup with some butter, olive oil and a piece or two of broccoli. Have a few slices of streaky rashers on the side with a slice of cheese. Put coconut oil into your coffee/tea and nibble on almond nuts while you're drinking it. Eat nothing else for 16-24 hours but don't worry because the high fat content in the above meal with satiate and completely kill your hunger for the day. The lack of sugar (carbohydrates) will put your metabolism into a state of ketosis.

If you do that you'll lose your 4 kgs in two weeks.

I train 4times a week in mma of I go on that diet will I not feel like ****... I was on a two times a day diet and I felt like ****

dean bride

bananabread12 wrote: »

OP's goal is to lose 4kgs. Getting into a state of ketosis and lowering insulin in the blood stream is the quickest route to accomplish that. And whoever said anything about starving yourself? Ketosis has many benefits for the body. Feeling ravenous is a by-product of traditional low-fat/high-carb diets. Carbohydrates make you feel hungry - carbs give you hunger pangs. You don't get hunger pangs in ketosis because your fuel source is already on you - fat! And yes, consuming Weetabix with milk will kill your ketosis dead as it will most other diets as it sends insulin through the roof (which will make you fat).

What is ketosis... I want to lose it but not fast I have 7weeks till I fight and just want to get it down.... I'm looking for the best layed out diet I can eat.... Like I tryed chicken and fist full of veg two times a day I feelt like **** when I was training

Dtp1979

dean bride wrote: »

What is ketosis... I want to lose it but not fast I have 7weeks till I fight and just want to get it down.... I'm looking for the best layed out diet I can eat.... Like I tryed chicken and fist full of veg two times a day I feelt like **** when I was training

Is the 4 kg drop the fight weight or the weight you want to be before you cut?

dean bride

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Is the 4 kg drop the fight weight or the weight you want to be before you cut?

The fight weight its same day weight ins

mathie

dean bride wrote: »

What is ketosis... I want to lose it but not fast I have 7weeks till I fight and just want to get it down.... I'm looking for the best layed out diet I can eat.... Like I tryed chicken and fist full of veg two times a day I feelt like **** when I was training

Do you mean lacking energy?

Zillah

dean bride wrote: »

What is ketosis

Ketosis is what the body does on a ketogenic diet, or the Atkins diet as you most likely know it. Essentially you eat next to no carbs but lots of fat and the body converts its systems to use fat more effectively.

In my opinion it's a needlessly drastic diet that is nonetheless effective for some people, especially people who struggle to lose weight via small changes in their lifestyle. It's not something you undertake lightly, though, you really have to learn and plan.

As for feeling like shite: you want to lose half a kilo per week, that means being in a significant calorie deficit, so you'll be low energy, nothing to be done about that really.

There isn't really any trick to it, you just need to keep eat less food than you normally would and you'll drop body fat.

bananabread12

dean bride wrote: »

I train 4times a week in mma of I go on that diet will I not feel like ****... I was on a two times a day diet and I felt like ****

No, you'll feel like a monster because ketosis increases testosterone and explodes HGH. In your comment below you say you feel like crap...it's no surprise. Some vegetables are far more richer in carbohydrates than others. These will make you feel bloated and tired. Also, the lean chicken breast is no use - it is far too high in protein and has no fat - remember we have to fat for energy now . The best part of the chicken are the legs and wings.

dean bride wrote: »

What is ketosis... I want to lose it but not fast I have 7weeks till I fight and just want to get it down.... I'm looking for the best layed out diet I can eat.... Like I tryed chicken and fist full of veg two times a day I feelt like **** when I was training

Being in ketosis means that you tell your body to stop using carbohydrates for energy and to start using fat. After a week of denying your body sugar you will never again feel bloated or tired, a brain fog will lift from you and you'll feel more mentally focused, your reflexes will improve, you'll require less sleep and you'll become leaner and more energised.

Carbohydrates are literally toxic to the human body. Cancer patients, people with heart disease, epilepsy sufferers are all put on a ketogenic diet because the carbohydrates are literally killing them - the white blood cells need the carbohydrates to multiply. Look at the obesity epidemic we have today - it has occurred coincidentally at a time when our new global culture means that people are consuming far too many carbohydrates. When you eat carbs your pancreas needs to start producing the hormone insulin and releases it into the blood stream to deal with the toxicity of the carbs - this is a defense mechanism that the body utilises but at some point it says "hey, we had a good run but I give up" and stops. This is what happens with diabetics - they need a source of external insulin which they inject into themselves. If they don't, the carbohydrates will literally kill them stone dead.

Being in ketosis has anti-aging properties, it will protect you against IBS, cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, PCOS; it will increase your brain function and longevity, mitochondrial function, endurance and end heart burn; it will stabilise your hormones and enhance your mood (bipolar & autism), migraines and headaches will cease, it will defend you against Alzheimer, Parkinsons disease, multiple sclerosis and acne. Man once hunted with spears and ate fatty meats once a day - now, just a few thousand years later we're led to believe, at a time of rising global obesity epidemics, that we're to forget our evolutionary timeframe and stuff ourselves with carbohydrates in order to live a healthy lifestyle. It's BS.

RGDATA!

bananabread12 wrote: »

Carbohydrates are literally toxic to the human body. Cancer patients, people with heart disease, epilepsy sufferers are all put on a ketogenic diet because the carbohydrates are literally killing them - the white blood cells need the carbohydrates to multiply.

break this down for me with sources please.
Cancer patients are all put on a ketogenic diet? News to me (source: lost my dad to cancer and he was never put on a ketogenic diet). White blood cells need carbs to multiply? Aren't white blood cells good, part of your immune system? Don't we want to have white blood cells?

ford2600

"Let's start with a culture that eats more carbohydrate than any other I know: the New Guinea highland tribe at Tukisenta that was studied extensively in the 1960s and 70s.  They ate 94 percent of their calories as carbohydrate, mostly from sweet potatoes, for a total calorie intake of 2,300 kcal/day in men and 1,770 kcal/day in women.  Investigators found them to be fit, lean and muscular, with no sign of protein deficiency (Trowell and Burkitt. Western Diseases. 1981)."

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ie/2016/07/nusi-funded-study-serves-up_6.html

There's the Taubes funded study

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2016/07/05/ajcn.116.133561.abstract

ford2600

RGDATA! wrote: »

break this down for me with sources please.
Cancer patients are all put on a ketogenic diet? News to me (source: lost my dad to cancer and he was never put on a ketogenic diet). White blood cells need carbs to multiply? Aren't white blood cells good, part of your immune system? Don't we want to have white blood cells?

It is used in some forms of cancer treatment, but to bill it as a "ketogenic diet cures cancer" is beyond braindead.

You could do worse than listen here
https://sigmanutrition.com/episode169/

Zillah

bananabread12 wrote: »

After a week of denying your body sugar you will never again feel bloated or tired, a brain fog will lift from you and you'll feel more mentally focused, your reflexes will improve, you'll require less sleep and you'll become leaner and more energised.

You sound like you've joined a cult.

OP, I would not pay much heed to the opinion of someone so obviously...zealous...about their beliefs.

dean bride

Just after ready everyone's post....

Can anyone give me a diet plan to eat....

I'm eating smoke code no batter 2times a day with veg with 3 liters or water was told to drink 5 as I'm training.....

Can anyone lay out a plain for me.... I Google up the diet that everyone is on about but most of the foods I never heard of.

Blacktie.

dean bride wrote: »

Just after ready everyone's post....

Can anyone give me a diet plan to eat....

I'm eating smoke code no batter 2times a day with veg with 3 liters or water was told to drink 5 as I'm training.....

Can anyone lay out a plain for me.... I Google up the diet that everyone is on about but most of the foods I never heard of.

Fish and rice cakes.

bananabread12

Zillah wrote: »

You sound like you've joined a cult.

OP, I would not pay much heed to the opinion of someone so obviously...zealous...about their beliefs.

A cult? That's a pathetic rebuttal from you. I've posted genuine studies in relation to the benefits of a ketogenic diet. This is not my opinion here in case you've misunderstood - these are genuine studies. I understand it can be difficult to have your understanding of the world of fitness and nutrition turned on it's head but if you have a problem with that then take it up with the thousands of academics, not me. But why would you when it's far more comfortable for you to rubbish academic journals as "cult"-like and stick your head in the sand....typical.

Blacktie.

bananabread12 wrote: »

A cult? That's a pathetic rebuttal from you. I've posted genuine studies in relation to the benefits of a ketogenic diet. This is not my opinion here in case you've misunderstood - these are genuine studies. I understand it can be difficult to have your understanding of the world of fitness and nutrition turned on it's head but if you have a problem with that then take it up with the thousands of academics, not me. But why would you when it's far more comfortable for you to rubbish academic journals as "cult"-like and stick your head in the sand....typical.

Lol 2 studies. That's it folks nutrition science solved.

I just looked at those studies. The first study specifically says "A two-way repeated measures ANOVA revealed no statistically significant effect of diet intervention on the testosterone (F = 1.14, η2 = 0.087, p = 0.061) concentration at rest and during the exercise protocol." So please give me your interpretation of this.

The second is about fasting so I'm just going to disregard that.

bananabread12

Blacktie. wrote: »

Lol 2 studies. That's it folks nutrition science solved.

:rolleyes:

Here, let me help you a long a little bit seen as you're definitively confused....

Honestly, I can't comprehend how some manage to dress themselves in the morning.